Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

[Peptocoptr27]

Speaking of which, would you mind posting the scaling chain you have in mind? I'm feeling rather lazy to think up one on my own

Same as here, but without the Triple Boost upscaling. The Lost World stuff might be a bit questionnable too, but I'm not sure. If so, Sonic would be a bit below the quintillions.

Sonic the Hedgehog: Speeding Through the Stats

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[Sir_Marvulous]

Same as here, but without the Triple Boost upscaling. The Lost World stuff might be a bit questionnable too, but I'm not sure. If so, Sonic would be a bit below the quintillions.

Sonic the Hedgehog: Speeding Through the Stats

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"Quintillions" and it ends at the sixtillions

Even better for the Bowser vs Eggman debate

 

[Theuser789]

Speaking of which, would you mind posting the scaling chain you have in mind? I'm feeling rather lazy to think up one on my own

It's in the powerscaling blog. You can just keep going after infinite is mentioned and just apply the multipliers yourself.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

It's in the powerscaling blog. You can just keep going after infinite is mentioned and just apply the multipliers yourself.

Don't need to. The archived version of the stats blog has the exact scaling chain I was expecting

 

[ShakeResounding]

Finished the grind and got Tangle in Speed Sim lol

 

[Snek]

Well guys it's December and Sonic 3 is 20 days away so I figured todays as good a day as any to ask a question. Do you think Sonic 3 will beat Mufasa at the box office or will the nostalgia backing the lion king franchise be too much?

For me I'm obviously rooting for Sonic but I have my doubts.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Well guys it's December and Sonic 3 is 20 days away so I figured todays as good a day as any to ask a question. Do you think Sonic 3 will beat Mufasa at the box office or will the nostalgia backing the lion king franchise be too much?

For me I'm obviously rooting for Sonic but I have my doubts.

Top hat on?

I think it will, the turnout for these live action fairs has been dipping I believe and it's a sequel, one that counterdicts old lore. ~~I also just want it to crash and burn for my own satisfaction~~

 

[Theuser789]

Well guys it's December and Sonic 3 is 20 days away so I figured todays as good a day as any to ask a question. Do you think Sonic 3 will beat Mufasa at the box office or will the nostalgia backing the lion king franchise be too much?

For me I'm obviously rooting for Sonic but I have my doubts.

I sure hope it does.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Well guys it's December and Sonic 3 is 20 days away so I figured todays as good a day as any to ask a question. Do you think Sonic 3 will beat Mufasa at the box office or will the nostalgia backing the lion king franchise be too much?

For me I'm obviously rooting for Sonic but I have my doubts.

Mufasa has the Disney buff and a huge nostalgia buff backing it

Sonic 3 has its own nostalgia buff, admittedly less than the one for Mufasa. But it's also got marketing that is clearly reaching the audience, and hype that's coming off of the Year of Shadow and the insane performance of Shadow Generations

I wouldn't be particularly surprised if Sonic 3 beat Mufasa at the box office

 

[ZothythoTheNephalem]

Mufasa has the Disney buff and a huge nostalgia buff backing it

Sonic 3 has its own nostalgia buff, admittedly less than the one for Mufasa. But it's also got marketing that is clearly reaching the audience, and hype that's coming off of the Year of Shadow and the insane performance of Shadow Generations

I wouldn't be particularly surprised if Sonic 3 beat Mufasa at the box office

I've hardly even seen trailers for Mufasa tbh

 

[Darkmon_cns]

I've hardly even seen trailers for Mufasa tbh

Disney has this bad habit Of sleeping on marketing expecting there name and history to carry them. But waves only go so far.

 

[ZothythoTheNephalem]

Disney has this bad habit Of sleeping on marketing expecting there name and history to carry them. But waves only go so far.

Hasn't Disney been doing real bad recently, too?

 

[Fireld]

Did sb say waves?

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Hasn't Disney been doing real bad recently, too?

There's the Disney front the mcu front and the star wars front. One front is sleeping hoping to recover from the sequel trilogy era where they at best over extended themselves to the brink (audience retention wise) the Disney front proper is all over the place (a TV show turned movie for Moana 2? Not looking good...) unironically I'd say the MCU front is doing the best and pretty much everyone agrees it's been super inconsistent sense endgame

 

[Snek]

Hasn't Disney been doing real bad recently, too?

Ya just look up captain America 4 to see current disney in a nutshell. It's got a 500 million dollar budget already but it got atrocious test screenings so they're reworking the entire film.

However Moana 2 is doing alright and the Deadpool + Wolverine movie killed it at the box office but now days they seem like dimonds in the rough.

 

[ZothythoTheNephalem]

Ya just look up captain America 4 to see current disney in a nutshell. It's got a 500 million dollar budget already but it got atrocious test screenings so they're reworking the entire film.

However Moana 2 is doing alright and the Deadpool + Wolverine movie killed it at the box office but now days they seem like dimonds in the rough.

Yeah. Deadpool & Wolverine was killer, honestly. Probably because it isn't as squeaky clean as other MCU movies if you get me.

 

[Fireld]

True

 

[Snek]

Well here are the things I thought of for Sonic vs Mufasa.

Sonic 3 advantages

+ Hype and marketing: This will probably change in the following days but there is barely any marketing for Mufasa while there's plenty for Sonic. Additionally this movie has generated more online buzz than mufasa with the Sonic 3 trailer receiving more views than the Mufasa trailer despite Sonics first trailer coming out a month after Mufasas. Shadow generations is also great marketing as well especially with the upcoming dlc.

+ Underdog factor: Sonic has always been a bit of a niche brand and people generally root for underdogs.

+ Reputation: Disney has been in the gutter for a bit and some people have lost faith in disney. Meanwhile Paramount has generated good faith with Sonic fans by changing his design in movie one.

+ Appeals more to kids: Most kids would probably prefer to see Sonic over what looks like a national geographic documentary.

+ Lower bar to clear: Disney puts more money into their movies than any of the Sonic movies do which means their movies need to make more money to break even.

+ Star power: Keanu Reeves and Jim Carrey are big draws especially since this is likely to be Jim's final film.

Mufasa advantages

+++ Comes from a massive franchise: The first live action lion king movie raked in over a billion dollars and the original Lion King is also one of the most successful movies of all time.

+ Better known to casuals: Nearly everyone's seen Lion King so more people from the general audience are likely to watch Mufasa.

+ Nostalgia: While Sonic has some nostalgia going for it I think Mufasa clears this category.

 

[Alexander]

Well here are the things I thought of for Sonic vs Mufasa.

Sonic 3 advantages

+ Hype and marketing: This will probably change in the following days but there is barely any marketing for Mufasa while there's plenty for Sonic. Additionally this movie has generated more online buzz than mufasa with the Sonic 3 trailer receiving more views than the Mufasa trailer despite Sonics first trailer coming out a month after Mufasas. Shadow generations is also great marketing as well especially with the upcoming dlc.

+ Underdog factor: Sonic has always been a bit of a niche brand and people generally root for underdogs.

+ Reputation: Disney has been in the gutter for a bit and some people have lost faith in disney. Meanwhile Paramount has generated good faith with Sonic fans by changing his design in movie one.

+ Appeals more to kids: Most kids would probably prefer to see Sonic over what looks like a national geographic documentary.

+ Lower bar to clear: Disney puts more money into their movies than any of the Sonic movies do which means their movies need to make more money to break even.

+ Star power: Keanu Reeves and Jim Carrey are big draws especially since this is likely to be Jim's final film.

Mufasa advantages

+++ Comes from a massive franchise: The first live action lion king movie raked in over a billion dollars and the original Lion King is also one of the most successful movies of all time.

+ Better known to casuals: Nearly everyone's seen Lion King so more people from the general audience are likely to watch Mufasa.

+ Nostalgia: While Sonic has some nostalgia going for it I think Mufasa clears this category.

Death Battle for movies

 

[Snek]

Death Battle for movies

That whole post was my powerscaler brain rot

 

[Theuser789]

Death Battle for movies

If it's Death Battle Sonic is gonna lose again

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Well here are the things I thought of for Sonic vs Mufasa.

Sonic 3 advantages

+ Hype and marketing: This will probably change in the following days but there is barely any marketing for Mufasa while there's plenty for Sonic. Additionally this movie has generated more online buzz than mufasa with the Sonic 3 trailer receiving more views than the Mufasa trailer despite Sonics first trailer coming out a month after Mufasas. Shadow generations is also great marketing as well especially with the upcoming dlc.

+ Underdog factor: Sonic has always been a bit of a niche brand and people generally root for underdogs.

+ Reputation: Disney has been in the gutter for a bit and some people have lost faith in disney. Meanwhile Paramount has generated good faith with Sonic fans by changing his design in movie one.

+ Appeals more to kids: Most kids would probably prefer to see Sonic over what looks like a national geographic documentary.

+ Lower bar to clear: Disney puts more money into their movies than any of the Sonic movies do which means their movies need to make more money to break even.

+ Star power: Keanu Reeves and Jim Carrey are big draws especially since this is likely to be Jim's final film.

Mufasa advantages

+++ Comes from a massive franchise: The first live action lion king movie raked in over a billion dollars and the original Lion King is also one of the most successful movies of all time.

+ Better known to casuals: Nearly everyone's seen Lion King so more people from the general audience are likely to watch Mufasa.

+ Nostalgia: While Sonic has some nostalgia going for it I think Mufasa clears this category.

+ Shadow's debut on the big screen

+ The Year of Shadow

TLDR Shadow carry

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Shadow is cool

 

[Snek]

Shadow is cool

And they gave him a gun.

 

[Theuser789]

And they gave him a gun.

 

[MysticMania]

Quadrillion seconds is 31.7 million years.

mario just dodges and waits him out, duh

 

[ZothythoTheNephalem]

I got a question for you all. Do you guys think Hyper Sonic at least make another appearance in a future game? Do you think Sonic Team's reluctance is justified?

 

[Peptocoptr27]

I got a question for you all. Do you guys think Hyper Sonic at least make another appearance in a future game? Do you think Sonic Team's reluctance is justified?

Maybe, and no respectively.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

I got a question for you all. Do you guys think Hyper Sonic at least make another appearance in a future game? Do you think Sonic Team's reluctance is justified?

I seriously doubt it, ea it's expected idk about justified but it's not inconsistent with how other Japanese company's react

 

[Heremus]

I got a question for you all. Do you guys think Hyper Sonic at least make another appearance in a future game? Do you think Sonic Team's reluctance is justified?

Most I could really think of Hyper Sonic getting added into with the least resistance is as a Limited character in Sonic Speed Simulator.

 

[ShrekAnakin]

mario just dodges and waits him out, duh

UNLIMITED, STAMINAAAAAAA!

 

[ZothythoTheNephalem]

Maybe, and no respectively.

No for their reluctance or no for seeing it again?

I seriously doubt it, ea it's expected idk about justified but it's not inconsistent with how other Japanese company's react

Fair, they're a bit dodgy on that.

Most I could really think of Hyper Sonic getting added into with the least resistance is as a Limited character in Sonic Speed Simulator.

Honestly, I feel like they could add it into a game as a form that can be unlocked as extra content perhaps. If they wanna give it story relevancy without shattering the powerscaling (even if they kinda already did that with Super Sonic 2), they could just make it available for the one-time so at least their existence is acknowledged.

 

[Peptocoptr27]

No for their reluctance or no for seeing it again?

Reluctance

 

[ZothythoTheNephalem]

Reluctance

I see. I agree, as said before. It isn't like it'll be a DBZ Form problem due to how getting the Super Emeralds work anyway.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Hey I just had a problematic thought for Sonic scaling.

If imbolziing someone with KE is just lifting strength vs lifting strength... shouldn't moving someone around in the air and pushing them back also be lifting strength vs lifting stregth?

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Hey I just had a problematic thought for Sonic scaling.

If imbolziing someone with KE is just lifting strength vs lifting strength... shouldn't moving someone around in the air and pushing them back also be lifting strength vs lifting stregth?

As long as the character being pushed airborne has leverage that scales to thier lifting strenght.

Where are you going with this?

 

[ZothythoTheNephalem]

Hey I just had a problematic thought for Sonic scaling.

If imbolziing someone with KE is just lifting strength vs lifting strength... shouldn't moving someone around in the air and pushing them back also be lifting strength vs lifting stregth?

KE?

 

[Alexander]

KE?

Kinetic energy

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Kinetic energy

I actually meant telkinesis.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

As long as the character being pushed airborne has leverage that scales to thier lifting strenght.

Where are you going with this?

Simply that I saw omega say bosses should be comparable to super sonic even if they can't damage him if they can push him back,

And no, even being held up from the ground it is lifting strength that is used to determine if you can break a telekinetic grasp and on many occasionally character have been given a lifting strength for restraining a character in the air in such a way.