Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

[JJSliderman]

Sure, maybe you could argue that in small quantities of virus, they can be killed by chaos energy or some equivalent, and it can prevent the virus altogether from touching you, but in larger doses you need the super form.


@Theuser789 could you show a scan, I’ll try to find it myself if you’re busy.

 

[Fireld]

Whisper's Wisps could also touch Zombots when transformed or using their powers, which also gives credence that energy lets you resist it.

 

[Theuser789]

Sure, maybe you could argue that in small quantities of virus, they can be killed by chaos energy or some equivalent, and it can prevent the virus altogether from touching you, but in larger doses you need the super form.


@Theuser789 could you show a scan, I’ll try to find it myself if you’re busy.

I don't have it on hand. It's when Whisper shows up on the arc.

 

[JJSliderman]

I assumed that was just a beam and not the actual wisp being shot out.

 

[Theuser789]

I assumed that was just a beam and not the actual wisp being shot out.

I am 100% sure Sonic mentions the Wisp's are immune in the comic.

 

[JJSliderman]

You might be right, the wiki does say that.

But Hyper go on isn’t exactly one to one with chaos energy. Could just be unique to the Wisps, there was that cut line of Wisps being ~ chaos energy from Colors

 

[Theuser789]

The point is that energy does make you immune to the virus. You started this debate with basically a headcanon that the Zeti use their powers to make themselves immune. This is to show there's precedent in energy blocking it instead.

 

[JJSliderman]

Fair enough.

Virus can’t affect energy, so coating in energy can either block the virus outright or stop the virus if it has barely spread, but can’t stop it if it’s spread to most of the body already except the super form.

Guess that makes sense, although in that case that might just be more of a weakness for the virus, in which case other types of transmutation may not have the same reaction.

 

[Theuser789]

Hyper-Go-On and Chaos Energy are special energy in this series. No reason to assume a weakness for the virus or other power sources can do the same.

 

[JJSliderman]

Whisper doesn’t really specify, she just says that them turning into energy is what keeps them immune.

 

[Theuser789]

Turning into Hyper-Go-On, yes. This feels like playing Devil's Advocate now.

 

[JJSliderman]

Just trying to cover all possible counter arguments.
Cuz there might be an arg that just turning into energy or coating with energy in general blocks the virus, it was already established the virus can’t affect inorganic beings, and energy isn’t organic.

I guess no matter what though, the precedent that energy counters corruption was set up, so the idea that chaos energy could stop it and destroy it is also set up, at least in small quantities if using one Emerald. So, I can get behind it.

 

[CBslayeR]

when are yall making the speed sim crt, the roblox hax they get is ******* broken



they can hundreds of thousands of rings off a single one and hold trillions of them at a time, they also survive a genesis wave

 

[JJSliderman]

Wtf

 

[McFriesGuy075]

when are yall making the speed sim crt, the roblox hax they get is ******* broken



they can hundreds of thousands of rings off a single one and hold trillions of them at a time, they also survive a genesis wave

If one is even gonna be made it's gonna take some time. There are other Sonic CRTS in the way and some others waiting to be published

I dont think there is a limit to how many rings they can hold, but Sonic has collected 70 billion of them according to Sonic Jump (i think)

 

[ShakeResounding]

they can hundreds of thousands of rings off a single one

Huh?? I assume a special ring or item does this?

and hold trillions of them at a time

Okay yeah that's wild. Our Sonic is only at like 70 billion or something lmao

they also survive a genesis wave

Kinda hard to pin down what hax resistance that would grant them aside from perhaps Law Manipulation... Oh, and Resistance to Hammerspace Manipulation I guess for their inventories surviving lmao

 

[CBslayeR]

If one is even gonna be made it's gonna take some time. There are other Sonic CRTS in the way and some others waiting to be published

I dont think there is a limit to how many rings they can hold, but Sonic has collected 70 billion of them according to Sonic Jump (i think)

pathetic

 

[McFriesGuy075]

pathetic

We've already been made aware of that. But seriously, there is no ring limit in the game and I dont think it would even be applicable to characters

 

[CBslayeR]

Huh?? I assume a special ring or item does this?

Okay yeah that's wild. Our Sonic is only at like 70 billion or something lmao

Kinda hard to pin down what hax resistance that would grant them aside from perhaps Law Manipulation... Oh, and Resistance to Hammerspace Manipulation I guess for their inventories surviving lmao

nope, just leveled up chao and pets


they also have a thing called fast friends that can carry all of their stats combined, up to 150% of it, it buffs AP, amount of rings collected, magnetism, etc


I can link the genesis wave later though but it's funny since it potentially effected 16 universes due to how there can be multiple of the same skin per server (servers cap at 16)

 

[CBslayeR]

We've already been made aware of that. But seriously, there is no ring limit in the game and I dont think it would even be applicable to characters

The characters in speed sim are canonically apart of a team, they're not just skins so this would apply to them as well.

Most of the Metal Sonics are reprogrammed to be on the avatar's side usually.

 

[McFriesGuy075]

The characters in speed sim are canonically apart of a team, they're not just skins so this would apply to them as well.

Most of the Metal Sonics are reprogrammed to be on the avatar's side usually.

Yeah, i know that. I played it years/months ago.

 

[CBslayeR]

Also hilarious that the Roblox thing I started spreading in the death battle discord reached here, that's hilarious I found all this cause I actively play the game lol



Metal also gets potentially passive speed reduction to subsonic speeds, but he lost it after the game got reworked so

 

[Peptocoptr27]

I’m just saying, holding CE by themselves doesn’t seem to do anything against the virus. Otherwise Sonic could have just cured himself at any time. And the Zeti countering a metal virus by using their control over metal would make sense.


Alright then. I still think mentioning the possibility of Eggman recreating Forcejewels with the Phantom Ruby or smthn may help assure more people.

True.

Right, right.

That’s true, it’s more just if Bowser fuses before the extractor goes off, he fuses with Time Eater, and he manages to use Time Eater’s abilities before Sage can control it. Sage also can only control Titans when they’re defeated cuz of the outside influence exerted on them, so just dropping in Supreme or smthn may not work.

Alright.

The traps themselves are kind of small so it is important to highlight how Eggman can influence Bowser’s key players can step in them, I think. Same with the Chaos Energy Cannon.

Bowser also got that layered invulnerability with the star rod and his super platform, which could pose a problem.

I don’t believe it, just have talked with people who bring it up (namely cuz of the final army battle where the Resistance individually bring down 3 clones each with single hits)

Fair enough. Also could note Eggman having his own Erazor Djinn, who has direct plot absorption.

I think it is possession, I’ve just talked with people who say they don’t agree because no one goes “I must serve Dark Gaia” or similar language, they just get mean or depressed.

Well, the story begins with Eggman draining the Chaos Emeralds for his beam, and the end is the Emeralds re-absorbing the beam to get their energy back, so yeah I’d say so.

Speaking of, if you could add a showing of Sage being more intangible than CS ghosts, that would be a good point showing Bowser and his troops would not really affect her.

Kamek turning cards or stickers/items into flip flops with his spells.

True, didn’t even think about that.

Yoshi’s Story, it’s part of his 4-A warping

What's the Super Platform? I don't recall knowing about that.

I didn't even think about the Chaos Energy Canon. Its usefulness depends on how heavily you want to apply verse equalization. If you want to argue that Eggman could drain any power source from their user with it, he could just drain Bowser of the Star Rod, the Pure Hearts, or even the Dream Stone's power with it. Not Fury Bowser though since he resists Power Null. That could be worth a mention.

Eggman has his own Erazor Djinn? I don't think he matters much since he's only a fraction of the original's power and most likely belongs to an alternate universe Eggman, but I legitimately had no idea that he was working for Eggman in that game, much less "belonged" to him.

In order to show off Sage being more intangible than CS ghosts, I would need scans, because I don't even know the reasoning behind this.

As for the 4-A warping in Yoshi's Story, we have no idea how long it takes for Bowser to pull it off or if it's combat applicable, so I don't think it's worth a mention tbh

 

[JJSliderman]

What's the Super Platform? I don't recall knowing about that.

In Paper Mario Bowser’s castle has a platform that, when he stands on it, fills him with more power to the point that his star rod induced invincibility, which previously got negated by the star beam, becomes completely immune to it and forces an upgrade to the Peach Beam.

Eggman has his own Erazor Djinn? I don't think he matters much since he's only a fraction of the original's power and most likely belongs to an alternate universe Eggman, but I legitimately had no idea that he was working for Eggman in that game, much less "belonged" to him.

Yeah, he didn’t really exercise much independent thought so Eggman easily took control over him (1/10th of the original), and it never betrayed him.

In order to show off Sage being more intangible than CS ghosts, I would need scans, because I don't even know the reasoning behind this.

I’ve just seen this suggested, maybe the reasoning is in Shake’s Frontiers CRT.

As for the 4-A warping in Yoshi's Story, we have no idea how long it takes for Bowser to pull it off or if it's combat applicable, so I don't think it's worth a mention tbh

Wasn’t that right at the start of the game, seems pretty quick.

 

[Remus1998]

they can hundreds of thousands of rings off a single one and hold trillions of them at a time, they also survive a genesis wave

 

[MysticMania]

pathetic

damn teehee

 

[Theuser789]

Also hilarious that the Roblox thing I started spreading in the death battle discord reached here, that's hilarious I found all this cause I actively play the game lol



Metal also gets potentially passive speed reduction to subsonic speeds, but he lost it after the game got reworked so

I mean, if you have all the abilities from it, go ahead and help us. It's hard to find stuff from this game.

 

[Peptocoptr27]

In Paper Mario Bowser’s castle has a platform that, when he stands on it, fills him with more power to the point that his star rod induced invincibility, which previously got negated by the star beam, becomes completely immune to it and forces an upgrade to the Peach Beam.

Oh. I thought The Star Rod could grant Bowser that layered invulnerabillity by itself. Good to know.

Yeah, he didn’t really exercise much independent thought so Eggman easily took control over him (1/10th of the original), and it never betrayed him.

Still, I would love a scan if you have it. Most people will be clueless if I don't have one lol

Wasn’t that right at the start of the game, seems pretty quick.

That's just the problem. He does it once at the very start of the game and never again. We know for a fact that its effect was quick, but the preparation behind it, the exact method, and the amount of magic that it took is unknown. More importantly, we don't know if it's combat applicable since Bowser only intented to use it as a distraction to steal the Super Happy Tree, not kill anyone on the island.

 

[ShrekAnakin]

nope, just leveled up chao and pets


they also have a thing called fast friends that can carry all of their stats combined, up to 150% of it, it buffs AP, amount of rings collected, magnetism, etc


I can link the genesis wave later though but it's funny since it potentially effected 16 universes due to how there can be multiple of the same skin per server (servers cap at 16)

The too many cooks in the kitchen situation is becoming ever more a thing.

 

[JJSliderman]

Oh. I thought The Star Rod could grant Bowser that layered invulnerabillity by itself. Good to know.

Still, I would love a scan if you have it. Most people will be clueless if I don't have one lol

Here

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Here

Thanks!

 

[CBslayeR]

I mean, if you have all the abilities from it, go ahead and help us. It's hard to find stuff from this game.

Yeah I can try and compile the noteworthy stuff, thankfully there's not a lot

At best you can get a new profile for the player from roblox since they're a canonical entity in it, but that's it.


Forgot to mention that the ESP Silver lore from runners is fully canonized in this game as well, which is cool since it implies the 06 bad future isn't fully erased

 

[LukeChaosBlobz]

So I guess everyone in the game gets Spin Dash, Homing Attack, Boost and Drop Dash and just a bunch of vehicles and pets for Optional Equipment?

 

[CBslayeR]

So I guess everyone in the game gets Spin Dash, Homing Attack, Boost and Drop Dash and just a bunch of vehicles and pets for Optional Equipment?

Basically

 

[McFriesGuy075]

Extreme Gear page is gonna look ridiculously big.

 

[CBslayeR]

The real hard part is the lore stuff since there's some weird stuff like the 06 timeline not being erased technically according to speed sim, but that stuff is real hard to find.

 

[LukeChaosBlobz]

Wow that Boost and Spin Dash page is going to stacked with users. Even those Eggpawns from Riders can perform it in that game

 

[CBslayeR]

Oh y'all get a possibly 1-C key for Neo Metal as well, and further justifications for Super Neo since he directly fights Super Sonic in Speed Sim

 

[McFriesGuy075]

Oh y'all get a possibly 1-C key for Neo Metal as well, and further justifications for Super Neo since he directly fights Super Sonic in Speed Sim

Could be non full power Super Sonic, you know, the most likely scenario here.

 

[Theuser789]

Yeah I can try and compile the noteworthy stuff, thankfully there's not a lot

At best you can get a new profile for the player from roblox since they're a canonical entity in it, but that's it.


Forgot to mention that the ESP Silver lore from runners is fully canonized in this game as well, which is cool since it implies the 06 bad future isn't fully erased

Thanks. That would help a lot. Stuff like Eggman's SGW-esque ability is completely unknown for me, for example.