Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

[ShakeResounding]

What logic?

What I just said. A creation of Eggman has a forcejewel that Eggman won't give to you, so Eggman has more forcejewels than what we see.

Eggman giving this dream Gamma Forcejewels despite also screwing him over equally with the Eggman roulette?

Yeah.

Also, I'm sorry, but your emotional biases against Sonic have been made clear to me over the years of becoming good friends with you. If you don't feel a Sonic character should win, you'll whine and moan and stomp your foot because Sonic "should not be beating Discord" or whatever similar views you hold. Which is fine, but don't try and disguise it by shifting goalposts or pretending what I say makes no sense.

I'm certain you'd have a lot less hoops for Bowser to jump through, though.

 

[ShakeResounding]

My thoughts on this discussion:



Insert the/s here

No /s KEK

 

[JJSliderman]

Well first off I actually think Sonic should beat Discord low difficulty, but also I’m just trying to state what I think, I’m not saying this because I have an inherent bias against any character.

And I think that the logic of “this recreation of a robot Eggman made has items, so Eggman gave him those helpful items but also is against him” doesn’t make much sense to me. Moreover, Gamma is playable in all the levels and he received Forcejewels in exactly the same way as the other characters (I.e from spaces, battle minigames, etc.), and only the same 3 from Eggman that everyone else has.

 

[Theuser789]

Well first off I actually think Sonic should beat Discord low difficulty, but also I’m just trying to state what I think, I’m not saying this because I have an inherent bias against any character.

And I think that the logic of “this recreation of a robot Eggman made has items, so Eggman gave him those helpful items but also is against him” doesn’t make much sense to me. Moreover, Gamma is playable in all the levels and he received Forcejewels in exactly the same way as the other characters (I.e from spaces, battle minigames, etc.), and only the same 3 from Eggman that everyone else has.

Your logic would be fine but Bowser will be getting power-up combinations he can't even have across multiple games, so applying this restrictive logic to only Eggman is bad.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Well first off I actually think Sonic should beat Discord low difficulty,

That's not what you said in their versus thread before but I'll give you that one because opinions genuinely change

but also I’m just trying to state what I think, I’m not saying this because I have an inherent bias against any character.

I'm not trying to poison the well, but forgive me just a tad if it happens enough that I found it to be a pattern. This isn't me trying to attack you or your character, this was a genuine belief. I apologize for my accusations of bias against you, please forgive me.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Your logic would be fine but Bowser will be getting power-up combinations he can't even have across multiple games, so applying this restrictive logic to only Eggman is bad.

This. I have no problems limiting Eggman to a non-contradictory arsenal as long as Bowser is held to the same standard.

Whatever the standard is, I'm at least trusting Death Battle with THAT.

 

[JJSliderman]

Your logic would be fine but Bowser will be getting power-up combinations he can't even have across multiple games, so applying this restrictive logic to only Eggman is bad.

I’m not talking about Bowser here, this is just in general. But at least there Bowser has actually used or collected those items. With Eggman, it’s just assuming he has those Forcejewels because he has others.

 

[Theuser789]

I’m not talking about Bowser here, this is just in general. But at least there Bowser has actually used or collected those items. With Eggman, it’s just assuming he has those Forcejewels because he has others.

Bowser hasn't used most of Mario's regular power-ups outside of 3D World, for example. Or most Mario Party items.

 

[JJSliderman]

He is at least playable in Jamboree and has those items (which include a lot of the staples like plunder chest), or he gives out items like cursed blocks. I don’t see people give Bowser MP8 Candy or MP5 orbs for example, and they don’t give him the ice flower. Just double cherry and super bell and whatever other powers he’s used.

 

[ShakeResounding]

This is entirely random but only tangentially related to the above. If I were to make a Maginaryworld location page, would anybody be interested in helping me do it?

(I don't need the help, but sometimes I wonder if any of you are twiddling thumbs on the sideline wanting to help but not knowing how. Or maybe this is giving you guys too much credit and you prefer waiting for the stuff I bring lolol)

 

[JJSliderman]

Sure, I’d consider lending a hand if needed.

I suppose in theory he could just take the fight to Maginaryworld and find Forcejewels if he needed them with Lightman, but it’s still a bit RNG for my liking and Eggman’s knowledge on the Forcejewels is a little ill-defined.

 

[Theuser789]

He is at least playable in Jamboree and has those items (which include a lot of the staples like plunder chest), or he gives out items like cursed blocks. I don’t see people give Bowser MP8 Candy or MP5 orbs for example, and they don’t give him the ice flower. Just double cherry and super bell and whatever other powers he’s used.

Tbf we can also argue Chaos Gamma has the forcefields as well. Although tbf the item stealing is my least favorite of all the main arguments of this debate.

 

[JJSliderman]

Chaos Gamma has nothing to do with MW.

 

[Theuser789]

Chaos Gamma has nothing to do with MW.

Chaos Gamma has Gamma's data so crosscaling him to Gamma's inventory.

 

[JJSliderman]

So taking Chaos Gamma, whose only connection to the original is having combat data from him, and then going a degree of separation further by saying he has the potential to mimic a dream recreation of the original Gamma, all while Chaos Gamma never demonstrated the ability to synthesize items from the real world OG Gamma to begin with.

That just seems illogical to me.

 

[Theuser789]

So taking Chaos Gamma, whose only connection to the original is having combat data from him, and then going a degree of separation further by saying he has the potential to mimic a dream recreation of the original Gamma, all while Chaos Gamma never demonstrated the ability to synthesize items from the real world OG Gamma to begin with.

Better than saying Eggman can't use the forcejewels despite selling them... because he just can't.

 

[JJSliderman]

He sells a very specific selection of Forcejewels that never changes. At best you can say he finds unnamed Forcejewels in some minigames.

My problem is not that Eggman can’t use the Forcejewels like Deletite and Blockite, it’s that he’s never been shown having them to begin with. And the only Eggman related element to have those jewels is dream Gamma, who is playable and thus does not get them from Eggman.

 

[RedReaper616]

So taking Chaos Gamma, whose only connection to the original is having combat data from him, and then going a degree of separation further by saying he has the potential to mimic a dream recreation of the original Gamma, all while Chaos Gamma never demonstrated the ability to synthesize items from the real world OG Gamma to begin with.

That just seems illogical to me.

It’s actually just OG Gamma (temporarily) resurrected via Dreams.

 

[JJSliderman]

It’s actually just OG Gamma (temporarily) resurrected via Dreams.

Same deal ultimately, Gamma didn’t absorb Forcejewel data into his systems for chaos Gamma to copy.

 

[JJSliderman]

But if people did find a way to confirm Eggman took the knowledge and ability to recreate Forcejewels Eggman didn’t use or have visibly, from dream Gamma, into the real world, I’d be fine with it.