Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

[JJSliderman]

Super Sonic stomps so it all balances out

Nah, Mario can stall out SS’s timer with revives.

 

[CBslayeR]

Nah, Mario can stall out SS’s timer with revives.

No he can't, he's not lasting multiple days against a guy who blitzes him and pastes him everytime he gets hit

 

[JJSliderman]

The Advance multiple days thing is kind of vague.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Nah, Mario can stall out SS’s timer with revives.

Or Sonic just keeps collecting Rings because that’s something he can do.

 

[JJSliderman]

What if it’s in a place where there aren’t any rings.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

What if it’s in a place where there aren’t any rings.

Placing handicaps on one character

cringe

 

[JJSliderman]

Well ig Sonic could just keep teleporting back home, collect rings, and then come back.

Sounds like a very long process, especially when Mario has retry clocks.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Retry Clocks
Rewinding time to outlast a time limit

Sounds like a good idea, totally wouldn’t result in Mario just resetting Super Sonic’s time limit or anything

 

[JJSliderman]

Well if he rewinded back, he’d know to one-shot before Sonic transformed the second time.

 

[CBslayeR]

Sonic himself has resurrection

 

[JJSliderman]

Not really, Chronicles stuff got nuked and the Chaos Emeralds require wishes to make revivals.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Not really, Chronicles stuff got nuked and the Chaos Emeralds require wishes to make revivals.

Soul Resurrection with the Soul Gauge.

Base Sonic getting one shot is irrelevant anyway, it’s Super Sonic that’s being discussed.

 

[BlastX]

Sonic has 70 billion rings thanks to Sonic jump anyways, so he can definitely outlast anyways.

 

[JJSliderman]

Doesn’t he need Shahra’s ring to do soul resurrection.

 

[JJSliderman]

Sonic has 70 billion rings thanks to Sonic jump anyways, so he can definitely outlast anyways.

Never heard of that before.

 

[Theuser789]

The Advance multiple days thing is kind of vague.

It literally isn't

 

[JJSliderman]

All we know is that a few days later Super Sonic appeared to Tails, it doesn’t necessarily mean he was super the entire time.

 

[Theuser789]

But yes, Mario wins if you give him everything and take away everything from Sonic, what a genius take!

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Doesn’t he need Shahra’s ring to do soul resurrection.

So? Or are you arguing under the assumption Mario has everything he’s never carried across all his games while Sonic just has the Emeralds?

 

[Theuser789]

All we know is that a few days later Super Sonic appeared to Tails, it doesn’t necessarily mean he was super the entire time.

Oh yeah, Sonic just distransformed randomly in space for the lols. I'm not even going to bother with this debate

 

[ShakeResounding]

The Advance multiple days thing is kind of vague.

Don't be one of those people

 

[ShakeResounding]

But yes, Mario wins if you give him everything and take away everything from Sonic, what a genius take!

BASED. Double Standards are the way of the future

 

[JJSliderman]

Oh yeah, Sonic just distransformed randomly in space for the lols. I'm not even going to bother with this debate

I mean you can easily turn this around.
“Yeah Sonic randomly decided to float around in space in his super form for a week for the lols”

 

[JED]

Even if we steelman and grant all these points, I wanna point out that Super Sonic is literally immeasurable so wtf is Mario’s actual wincon here?

 

[JJSliderman]

So? Or are you arguing under the assumption Mario has everything he’s never carried across all his games while Sonic just has the Emeralds?

It’s not like Sonic is gonna make a quick trip to the Arabian Nights to pick up Shahra.
Plus the soul Res combo isn’t perfect, it requires Sonic to either use Darkspine to self generate soul energy, or do a bunch of stomps in a row without getting blitzed or one-shot.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

It’s not like Sonic is gonna make a quick trip to the Arabian Nights to pick up Shahra.

But Mario always has Retry Clocks in his back pocket in case of emergencies, right?

 

[ShakeResounding]

It’s not like Sonic is gonna make a quick trip to-

So you are just limiting Sonic lol

Never knew Mario always carried badges btw

 

[JJSliderman]

Even if we steelman and grant all these points, I wanna point out that Super Sonic is literally immeasurable so wtf is Mario’s actual wincon here?

Sonic’s speed doesn’t make Mario revive faster, he’s just gonna sit there waiting until Mario revives over and over and eventually the timer will run out (outside of the 70 billion ring thing, never heard of that).

And then if Sonic burns through all the revives, Mario restarts the battle with the clock and one-shots Base Sonic over and over until he runs out of soul energy.

 

[CBslayeR]

Sonic’s speed doesn’t make Mario revive faster, he’s just gonna sit there waiting until Mario revives over and over and eventually the timer will run out (outside of the 70 billion ring thing, never heard of that).

And then if Sonic burns through all the revives, Mario restarts the battle with the clock and one-shots Base Sonic over and over until he runs out of soul energy.

and Sonic would decide to not go super because?

 

[ShakeResounding]

(outside of the 70 billion ring thing, never heard of that).

If you don't even know about the 70 billion ring statement then why are you even bothering to use the Ring argument? Lol

And then if Sonic burns through all the revives, Mario restarts the battle with the clock

He always carries that with him? How interesting...

and one-shots Base Sonic over and over until he runs out of soul energy.

Sonic regains Soul Energy by running, try again

 

[JJSliderman]

Because his base form gets blitzed too hard for him to do anything unless he starts the battle as Super (which is pretty ooc)

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I mean we know Base Sonic loses, but that’s not what’s being argued

Super Sonic stomps so it all balances out

 

[JED]

Sonic’s speed doesn’t make Mario revive faster, he’s just gonna sit there waiting until Mario revives over and over and eventually the timer will run out (outside of the 70 billion ring thing, never heard of that).

And then if Sonic burns through all the revives, Mario restarts the battle with the clock and one-shots Base Sonic over and over until he runs out of soul energy.

Mario’s speed: MFTL+
Super Sonic’s speed: Immeasurable

Not sure if you understand the difference between MFTL and Immeasurable. But a non immeasurable character can not even hope of perceiving an immeasurable character. Sonic can literally travel to any point in time at will and Mario has no hope of reacting as Sonic will just see him as a statue. Mario won’t even get a chance to use ANY of his abilities before Sonic turns him into paste.

 

[JJSliderman]

Sonic’s speed is immeasurable but that doesn’t make Mario’s revival speed immeasurable, he still has to wait until Mario revives which burns time.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Because his base form gets blitzed too hard for him to do anything unless he starts the battle as Super (which is pretty ooc)

-Starting Sonic in a form he gets blitzed in
-Sonic doesn't have all his equipment
-Mario somehow has badges
-Mfw a DB goon is taking time away from me

Why are they like this? KEKAROO

 

[JJSliderman]

It’s not even just DB, in a random encounter with some plumber Sonic is not immediately gonna jump to his strongest form.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

It’s not even just DB, in a random encounter with some plumber Sonic is not immediately gonna jump to his strongest form.

Why are you just refusing to acknowledge these two points?

1. The argument in this case is Super Sonic vs Mario. We know Base Sonic loses (as I’ve said twice)
2. If Mario is allowed his Optional Equipment, so is Sonic

 

[CBslayeR]

It’s not even just DB, in a random encounter with some plumber Sonic is not immediately gonna jump to his strongest form.

Realistically they don't fight at all

 

[ShakeResounding]

And when Sonic gets one-shot and comes back from his Soul Surge? Because if you're giving Mario the Retry Clock, I'm giving him Shahra's Ring

 

[JJSliderman]

Sonic can have his optional equipment, but I don’t think it changes anything unless Sonic specifically started the fight as Super, Sonic in base is too slow to capitalize on his revives.