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Son Goku (Teenager) Vs Yang Xiao Long

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Gohan and Vegeta both possibly displayed it in the Freeza Saga. Gohan's power was constantly rising; after the fight with Reecome, he got a zenkai that pushed him to a level that was still below Ginyu; Then, mere hours later, in the fight against 1st Form Freeza, Vegeta thought Gohan's power would be useful against Freeza. No other zenkai.

Vegeta went from > Jeice to <= Freeza after a nap. No other zenkai either.

Plot-device? Yeah. But what Toriyama describes is also a pure, plot device-like ability.
 
Yeah, Zenkai, as in non-combat applicable Reactive Power level that requires them to take damage and then heal to become stronger

Edit: Damn your edits :p
 
In the examples I gave, there were no zenkais. Vegeta received a Zenkai, and then defeated Jeice. After that, and after NO zenkais, he suddenly went from a level beyond Jeice and Captain Ginyu to a level where he could fight 1st Form Freeza in almost-even terms.

Same thing with Gohan. Vegeta lampshades it, even.
 
Gotta agree with Weekly here. Up until Super Zenkai is all the Saiyans show. Toriyama added that as a bullcrap reason for the U6 saiyans to pull out more power. Or for Goku to have a future reason to beat Jiren...
 
IMO the stuff Toriyama said should only apply to DBS Goku, but you know what, i'll humor it, lets assume 8-A Goku DOES have the ability to get stronger out of nowhere mid-combat. In this match, Yang will be the weaker of the two at the beginning of the fight here, meaning Goku wont be getting stronger as his opponent isnt as strong as or stronger than him. Meanwhile all Yang needs is to be hit with a couple attacks from Goku to be able to close the gap and be able to deal massive damage to him, potentially to the point of oneshotting if her fight with the Paladin is any indication of how effective her Semblance's amp is. Yang's Semblance will be able to overpower Goku before he has a chance to get stronger.
 
@Kep

Yeah, but the pretty much happened with no reason and are not consistent. If all the Saiyans in the series constantly got random power pulls it would be more believable, but without training it didn't matter if they fought someone stronger; they wouldn't adapt on the spot.
 
Question. What reasons above are you guys voting for for Goku? Just curious cuz a few of the reasons above have already been debunked or countered
 
Goku outclasses her when it comes to skill, experience and range. She also has no counter to Solar Flare which is going to screw her over.
 
Knightofannihilation666 said:
Goku outclasses her when it comes to skill, experience and range. She also has no counter to Solar Flare which is going to screw her over.
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hes skill in h2h isnt that great, its predictible and not done for the likes of yang

his range here is kamehamha, which takes too long to charge up (at least seaconds)

he wouldent use solar flare in character
 
1: No Goku is absolutely more skilled than Yang. Yang is a brawler meanwhile Goku at this point is trained in several materials arts. Whenever a Brawler goes against a martial artist Brawlers tend to lose.

2: He still can use Ki Blasts


3: Actually it is in character for Goku to use Solar Flare.
 
Knightofannihilation666 said:
1: No Goku is absolutely more skilled than Yang. Yang is a brawler meanwhile Goku at this point is trained in several materials arts. Whenever a Brawler goes against a martial artist Brawlers tend to lose.
2: He still can use Ki Blasts


3: Actually it is in character for Goku to use Solar Flare.
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1 she was trained in h2h by her father and has shown more skills than goku

2 when did teen use that

3 not all that much
 
1: So? And Goku was trained by Master Roshi who's definitely more skilled than Taiyang. Plus Taiyang is featless, Roshi out skills him by a large margin and guess who Goku was trained by?


2: Since always.


3: Goku will indeed use Solar Flare he's done it before in fights.
 
Which reasons are you talking about exactly?

All the reasons were Debunked already

Goku via being more versitle and skilled. Overwhelms with afterimages and Hasshu-ken 8 arms combinations
 
Which versions are you using? Is this kid, because teen goku isn't multi-city block level. He's the one who tanked pretty much a nuke from piccolo, so thats a stomp.

If you're using kid, then thats a different story. Although, I still vote goku for a couple of reasons. He's a master martial artist while Yang is only a skilled brawler. Which means better fighter, more experience, etc. Their durability is about the same, but goku has shown to be able to take a lot more damage and still come back on top. He had to use one arm to defeat demon king piccolo, while being severly injured. Has ki blast, so more range. Lets not forget solar flare and after images. I know comments above have said that yang has trained with a profesional, but you cant compare a professional to the planets best martial artist.
 
TheAbsoluteOne said:
Which versions are you using? Is this kid, because teen goku isn't multi-city block level. He's the one who tanked pretty much a nuke from piccolo, so thats a stomp.
If you're using kid, then thats a different story. Although, I still vote goku for a couple of reasons. He's a master martial artist while Yang is only a skilled brawler. Which means better fighter, more experience, etc. Their durability is about the same, but goku has shown to be able to take a lot more damage and still come back on top. He had to use one arm to defeat demon king piccolo, while being severly injured. Has ki blast, so more range. Lets not forget solar flare and after images. I know comments above have said that yang has trained with a profesional, but you cant compare a professional to the planets best martial artist.
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the kid version. show me a place where he uses better h2h than yang

yangs power increases so his dura is gonna be overwhelmed

that was done when he was stronger and more experiences

when has he used non kamehameha kiblast?
 
Teenager Goku is already skilled in martial arts, but I don't know if he's more skilled than Yang.
 
So wait, why exactly would Solar Flare be a game changer like everyone is arguing? He blinds her, gets a few hits in and...she gets stronger.
 
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