Son Gohan (DBS) VS Base Kefla (DBS)

[M_Animefan]

Son Gohan

VS

Base Kefla

Gohan 3
Kefla 0
Incon: 1

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Gohan is around Pre-UI SSB Goku, while Base Kefla stomped Post 1st UI-Sign SSG Goku

SSJ Kefla = U7 Spirit Bomb = 50 * Base Kefla

U7 Spirit Bomb >>>> SSBKK20 Pre-UI Goku = 20 * SSB Goku >= Ultimate Gohan

That would mean Base Kefla is somewhat relative to SSB Goku before he got UI, which Gohan scales to. Their AP may be pretty close, but I think I lean more toward Gohan for being more skilled than Kefla

 

[thetechmaster36]

Gohan has much more skill than Kefla ever will, since the former has been fighting and training since he was four years old and the latter existed for a few minutes.

Voting Gohan

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Kefka has Big Power Boosts though when she gets extremely frustrated, which she will become when she starts loosing so Gohan might end up getting out on the back foot entirely if her Rage Amps do anything like the one she got against UIO2 Goku did.

 

[thetechmaster36]

Gohan might end up getting out on the back foot entirely if her Rage Amps do anything like the one she got against UIO2 Goku did.

Gohan has Rage Amps of his own, so he too can boost himself in power when he's getting his cereal pissed in and would essentially make their AP closer again

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Gohan has Rage Amps of his own, so he too can boost himself in power when he's getting his cereal pissed in and would essentially make their AP closer again

I'm aware but he hasn't had a massive boost that big in a long time, meanwhile Kefla went from getting absolutely shit on to being able to kill Goku accidentally if she managed to so much as touch him. Not saying Gohan doesn't have moments like that, but it's less extreme whenever he does it because most of the time he does end up hurting someone out of his league but then they immediately bounce back and basically stomp him afterwards, the only except being Cell since Gohan had a Rage Boost + an entirely new transformation on top of that.

 

[thetechmaster36]

I'm aware but he hasn't had a massive boost that big in a long time, meanwhile Kefla went from getting absolutely shit on to being able to kill Goku accidentally if she managed to so much as touch him.

Are you referring to when Kefla was in SSJ2? 'Cause if so, it probably doesn't work to as great of an effect as it does when she's in her Base Form. Especially since we can't quantify how much stronger Kefla would be if she Rage Amped in Base Form as we've never seen her do it.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Are you referring to when Kefla was in SSJ2? 'Cause if so, it probably doesn't work to as great of an effect as it does when she's in her Base Form. Especially since we can't quantify how much stronger Kefla would be if she Rage Amped in Base Form as we've never seen her do it.

Yeah, it's unquantifiable but it's still something that should heavily be considered since it did allow her to go from comparable to will accidentally kill this man if she barely even hits this man. It's not like Transformations change the Rage Amp, it's just her emotions making her power go crazy.

 

[CiscoTheSoto]

I'm voting for Gohan due to his greater fighting experience than Kefla.

 

[M_Animefan]

Yeah, it's unquantifiable but it's still something that should heavily be considered since it did allow her to go from comparable to will accidentally kill this man if she barely even hits this man. It's not like Transformations change the Rage Amp, it's just her emotions making her power go crazy.

So who you voting for?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

So who you voting for?

I think it could go either way, so I'm personally leaning towards an Incon.

 

[XVII]

ssj kefla was getting her ass handed from a weakened SSB goku

also in manga gohan and kefla fought and it was a stalemate, however gohan was in BASE

gohan is only ultimate when he has his fringe

also gohan said "i won't transform into super saiyan anymore, i don't need it"

so yeah, gohan just went "i don't wanna be a saiyan anymore" and still destroyed a ssj kefla

so yeah, to me gohan wins

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

ssj kefla was getting her ass handed from a weakened SSB goku

also in manga gohan and kefla fought and it was a stalemate, however gohan was in BASE

gohan is only ultimate when he has his fringe

also gohan said "i won't transform into super saiyan anymore, i don't need it"

so yeah, gohan just went "i don't wanna be a saiyan anymore" and still destroyed a ssj kefla

so yeah, to me gohan wins

This is the Manga, that's an entirely separate continuity. You can't use Manga Feats to say whether the Anime Versions can do the same.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Manga Kefla = / = Anime Kefla. Each version scale to different feats and has different scalings

 

[speedster352]

Gohan fra

 

[XVII]

This is the Manga, that's an entirely separate continuity. You can't use Manga Feats to say whether the Anime Versions can do the same.

manga is more canon than anime tho

but anyway, since A17 (in the anime) gets 3-A, low 2-C

then gohan should be at least 3-A.

base kefla < SSB goku ~ Gohan

so yeah, gohan fra

better AP and experience

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

manga is more canon than anime tho

but anyway, since A17 (in the anime) gets 3-A, low 2-C

then gohan should be at least 3-A.

base kefla < SSB goku ~ Gohan

so yeah, gohan fra

better AP and experience

You can't even make that claim since even though the Manga is farther than the Anime, the Anime is what's referenced in every other Dragon Ball Media out there currently and not the Manga.

Base Kefla is weaker than Blue Goku post UIO1, who is way stronger than the Blue Goku that Gohan Scales to so you can't confidently say that Gohan is that much stronger than her, especially since SSJ Kefla was stronger than Blue Kaioken×20 Goku Post UIO1 so the gap isn't as big as your making it out to be between Base Kefla and Start of Tournament Blue Goku.

 

[speedster352]

You can't even make that claim since even though the Manga is farther than the Anime, the Anime is what's referenced in every other Dragon Ball Media out there currently and not the Manga.

Base Kefla is weaker than Blue Goku post UIO1, who is way stronger than the Blue Goku that Gohan Scales to so you can't confidently say that Gohan is that much stronger than her, especially since SSJ Kefla was stronger than Blue Kaioken×20 Goku Post UIO1 so the gap isn't as big as your making it out to be between Base Kefla and Start of Tournament Blue Goku.

Wasn't Goku fatigued the whole time though?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Wasn't Goku fatigued the whole time though?

If he can use Blue Kaioken×20 then that means he recovered during the fight, especially since Super Saiyan God has that weird healing factor attached to it.

 

[speedster352]

If he can use Blue Kaioken×20 then that means he recovered during the fight, especially since Super Saiyan God has that weird healing factor attached to it.

Actually, it wasn't confirmed to be kk x20. And he was defeated by a kick so it's still possible that he was fatigued. Like Kefla still scales to Goku but not that high above him as people think.

 

[CBslayeR]

If he can use Blue Kaioken×20 then that means he recovered during the fight, especially since Super Saiyan God has that weird healing factor attached to it.

Wasn't implied to be x20 though

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

You can't even make that claim since even though the Manga is farther than the Anime, the Anime is what's referenced in every other Dragon Ball Media out there currently and not the Manga.

Base Kefla is weaker than Blue Goku post UIO1, who is way stronger than the Blue Goku that Gohan Scales to so you can't confidently say that Gohan is that much stronger than her, especially since SSJ Kefla was stronger than Blue Kaioken×20 Goku Post UIO1 so the gap isn't as big as your making it out to be between Base Kefla and Start of Tournament Blue Goku.

I Hope that when DBS comes back, it is based on the manga, I hope that's the reason they got us waiting for so long...

 

[XVII]

I Hope that when DBS comes back, it is based on the manga, I hope that's the reason they got us waiting for so long...

manga is more canon than anime tho

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

manga is more canon than anime tho

It literally isn't. They're separate continuities so you can't say one is more Canon than the other when they also tell a different story with different powers.

 

[XVII]

It literally isn't. They're separate continuities so you can't say one is more Canon than the other when they also tell a different story with different powers.

it's the same story, same outcomes

just different routes. don't treat it as a fanfic or something like that please

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

it's the same story, same outcomes

just different routes. don't treat it as a fanfic or something like that please

It's literally not the same story and they definitely don't have the same outcomes on some of the arcs. Hell, the Goku Black Arcs are entirely different than what each other show which is one of the most egregious examples.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

it's the same story, same outcomes

just different routes. don't treat it as a fanfic or something like that please

Not in DBS. Both the anime and the manga are based off outlines made by Toriyama, and he told both Toei and Toyataro to add to the story in their own ways, making the manga and anime evidently pretty different from each other

 

[thetechmaster36]

it's the same story, same outcomes

just different routes. don't treat it as a fanfic or something like that please

We literally aren't treating it like fanfic. They're separate continuities. Like, for example, you don't see Master Roshi dodging Jiren's attacks in the anime, and UI Sign Goku whooping Kefla's ass in the manga. Or Goku and Vegeta being able to learn the Hakai in the anime.

You can't say one is more canon than the other when they have different continuities. If the manga and anime mostly followed each other in terms of continuity and events, then sure, we can say the manga is more canon. But not here.

 

[XVII]

ok, that was a nice argument

still i believe ma boi gohan can take this

 

[CiscoTheSoto]

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[CiscoTheSoto]

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[CiscoTheSoto]

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[CiscoTheSoto]

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[CiscoTheSoto]

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[Nierre]

gohan fra

 

[Mister6ame6]

Gohan FRA

 

[CiscoTheSoto]

Grace can now begin

 

[Mickey1940]

Ik this is necro but I have to address this

Why
is
everyone
saying
gohan
outskills

Gohan fought Goku before the ToP and lost outright, despite both of them having comparable AP

Kefla fought and KO'd Goku despite both of them having the AP advantage

Y'all are saying that Kefla gets outskilled cuz she's minutes old
But you're forgetting that she's a gosh darn fusion fighter, a fighter with the combined experience of both Kale and Caulifla, both of which could keep up with Goku despite their lesser experience, and both of them could (and pay attention to this part) ADAPT TO GOKU'S FIGHTING STYLE WITHIN MINUTES

I mean, you're basically claiming that someone like Gogeta or Vegito get outskilled by pretty much everyone in the series because they are only minutes old, which I really hope no one tries to say that cuz that's very clearly wrong

Caulifla alone was able to go from weaker than exhausted Base Goku to fighting on par with SSJ2 Goku within minutes, which is a bare minimum of x100 if you use themultipliers from the Daizenshuu. Therefore not only is Kefla comparable in skill and can make up for that lack of skill with adaptation, but she can just RE to impossible levels after a few seconds.

I don't care that this thread is a year old, I disagree with the result

 

[XVII]

Ik this is necro but I have to address this

Why
is
everyone
saying
gohan
outskills

Gohan fought Goku before the ToP and lost outright, despite both of them having comparable AP

Kefla fought and KO'd Goku despite both of them having the AP advantage

Y'all are saying that Kefla gets outskilled cuz she's minutes old
But you're forgetting that she's a gosh darn fusion fighter, a fighter with the combined experience of both Kale and Caulifla, both of which could keep up with Goku despite their lesser experience, and both of them could (and pay attention to this part) ADAPT TO GOKU'S FIGHTING STYLE WITHIN MINUTES

I mean, you're basically claiming that someone like Gogeta or Vegito get outskilled by pretty much everyone in the series because they are only minutes old, which I really hope no one tries to say that cuz that's very clearly wrong

Caulifla alone was able to go from weaker than exhausted Base Goku to fighting on par with SSJ2 Goku within minutes, which is a bare minimum of x100 if you use themultipliers from the Daizenshuu. Therefore not only is Kefla comparable in skill and can make up for that lack of skill with adaptation, but she can just RE to impossible levels after a few seconds.

I don't care that this thread is a year old, I disagree with the result

goku was playing with them dawg, gohan meanwhile he had to go super saiyan blue and go a little serious to actually defeat him

with caulifla he was in base and fatigued while she was in ssj2 and he still outskilled her badly despite holding back
and kale was indeed very strong but no skill whatsoever, so kefla shouldnt be anywhere near gohan or heck even piccolo in fighting skill

their only advantage is AP but to be honest they are comparable so it doesn't matter tbh

really, gohan is a way better fighter by a WIDE margin and that's it.

sorry for the necro

 

[Mickey1940]

goku was playing with them dawg, gohan meanwhile he had to go super saiyan blue and go a little serious to actually defeat him

with caulifla he was in base and fatigued while she was in ssj2 and he still outskilled her badly despite holding back
and kale was indeed very strong but no skill whatsoever, so kefla shouldnt be anywhere near gohan or heck even piccolo in fighting skill

their only advantage is AP but to be honest they are comparable so it doesn't matter tbh

really, gohan is a way better fighter by a WIDE margin and that's it.

sorry for the necro

Goku was indeed overwhelming Caulifla initially, but you can clearly see that she was rapidly adapting to Goku's fighting style to the point that he was forced into SSJ2 just so he could continue having the advantage. This was even confirmed by literally every other bystander watching the fight. Any skill advantage Gohan might have will get closed easily since Kefla is just a buffed version of Caulifla

Again, Goku initially held the upper hand then Caulifla adapted and started to keep up pretty well

Kefla when she was a Super Saiyan didn't hold an AP advantage against SSGSSKKx20 Goku, and yet she was not only matching him blow for blow, but she also managed to catch him off guard and knock him unconscious. That's a pretty damn impressive skill feat, and not something Gohan can replicate

like heck unlike most of the characters in the series, Gohan doesn't copy moves. He never uses any special techniques besides the Masenko Kamehameha and Explosive Demon Wave which are just unga bunga ki beams. He doesn't have any other special techniques. Meanwhile Kefla has spirit ball level homing attacks plus insane danamaku that kept even Ultra Instinct Goku on his toes. Gohan doesn't even win in the variety game despite being in the series for 2 decades longer.