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This is mostly just some issues I have with the justifications of some of the tiers on the Caine, Mage and Lilith profile. Most of the scans are severely lacking to say the least, the fact that a lot of the scans seem to be cropped out of context is also an issue and should be fixed.
4-C: The justification for this tier is that he is equal to early Lilith who plucked stars from her cloak, but as you can see from the scan it's obviously not talking about literal stars since she creates a normal sized flora from them and it is an obvious metaphor for stars and not literal stars.
High 4-C: This justification is for the size of Caine who his eyes are said to be as big as the su which again obvious metaphor it's making the analogy that Caine watches over the Kindred just as an all shining eye and again is in no way shape or form talking about that Caine's eye is a literal sun.
Low 2-C: The mage being able to destroy a timeline is in the context of destroying a timeline using time travel, not destroying a timeline using AP. Pretty sure this doesn't qualify for for a universe+ rating.
Low 2-C: The justification for this tier is that Lasombra is one with the Abyss, which not only does the narrator himself say that this is just a theory, it also says that he isn't even all that the Abyss is, rather that he will "eventually" become one with it, so I don't see how even if this is true how Caine should scale to something that isn't even happened or that might never happen. Also in the other scan it says that the Void is infinite not the Abyss you would need to show that they are the same thing on this as well.
Low 1-C: The justification for this is that an Archmaster can affect the Tellurium, which in the scan itself it just says that the Archmaster can see all the outcomes and watch the lines that influence all Patterns and the eventual end of being. Not only does it not even say that he can affect it this is justification for precog and fate manipulation at best, not a low 1-C feat. There is a sca here that says that a guy named Robert Davenport is caught in an 8 dimensional chess game of subterfuge, terrorism and extradimensional alliances and if this is the only justification for 8D universe it's kinda flimsy if you ask me but that's neither here nor there. And lastly that he can kill angels which in the scan it literally says the words "or it could be another metaphor" and that it might not even be one of God's angels to begin with.
The speed justifications are pretty bad as well. It says that Mages can travel in a Void outside of time and space, not only is that not Immeasurable speed it also says that they "sailed" and proceeds to say that they the "Technocratic Void Engineers dressed in bulky suits and armors" which implies that they used some kind of machines not actual running speed.
4-C: The justification for this tier is that he is equal to early Lilith who plucked stars from her cloak, but as you can see from the scan it's obviously not talking about literal stars since she creates a normal sized flora from them and it is an obvious metaphor for stars and not literal stars.
High 4-C: This justification is for the size of Caine who his eyes are said to be as big as the su which again obvious metaphor it's making the analogy that Caine watches over the Kindred just as an all shining eye and again is in no way shape or form talking about that Caine's eye is a literal sun.
Low 2-C: The mage being able to destroy a timeline is in the context of destroying a timeline using time travel, not destroying a timeline using AP. Pretty sure this doesn't qualify for for a universe+ rating.
Low 2-C: The justification for this tier is that Lasombra is one with the Abyss, which not only does the narrator himself say that this is just a theory, it also says that he isn't even all that the Abyss is, rather that he will "eventually" become one with it, so I don't see how even if this is true how Caine should scale to something that isn't even happened or that might never happen. Also in the other scan it says that the Void is infinite not the Abyss you would need to show that they are the same thing on this as well.
Low 1-C: The justification for this is that an Archmaster can affect the Tellurium, which in the scan itself it just says that the Archmaster can see all the outcomes and watch the lines that influence all Patterns and the eventual end of being. Not only does it not even say that he can affect it this is justification for precog and fate manipulation at best, not a low 1-C feat. There is a sca here that says that a guy named Robert Davenport is caught in an 8 dimensional chess game of subterfuge, terrorism and extradimensional alliances and if this is the only justification for 8D universe it's kinda flimsy if you ask me but that's neither here nor there. And lastly that he can kill angels which in the scan it literally says the words "or it could be another metaphor" and that it might not even be one of God's angels to begin with.
The speed justifications are pretty bad as well. It says that Mages can travel in a Void outside of time and space, not only is that not Immeasurable speed it also says that they "sailed" and proceeds to say that they the "Technocratic Void Engineers dressed in bulky suits and armors" which implies that they used some kind of machines not actual running speed.
