Garou's Lifting Strength

[Nullflowerblush]

Currently, Garou has Unknown Lifting Strength in his "Human Garou" key.

• Reflected Tank Top Master's strength onto himself twofold
• Stomped into the ground hard enough to shatter it and launch a manhole cover, which he then launched at high-speeds
• Redirected one of Metal Bat's regular swings and clashed with Metal Bat during the initiation of his Killer Move
• Deflected each of Metal Bat's swings during the Brutal Tornado
• Remained a stable composure despite being directly under a shockwave caused by Metal Bat's attack
• Launched Smile Man's kendama at high-speed with one hand, twice
• Threw rocks hard enough to weaponize them
• Uprooted a tree with relative ease
• Clashed fists with Genos, who propelled his fist with energy, cancelling out each other's attacks
• Deflected Genos' Machine Gun Blows
• Cancelled out and redirected a rocket-propelled punch from Genos before slamming him into the ground
• Ripped off Genos' arm through sheer strength
  • Some people have tried to argue that Genos let him rip his arm off in order to trap him, but Genos was shocked when Garou ripped his arm off.
• Knocked a large tree down with his legs and ripped Genos' steel wires from his body
• Briefly clashed with and managed to restrain Bang, but was quickly overpowered in both instances
• Caused a tremor by slamming his fists into the ground, and lifted a large tree above his head before spinning it around
• Cancelled out Royal Ripper's charge and disfigured his arm by twisting it
• Deflected several of Royal Ripper's stab attacks and withstood being slammed into the ground by Bug God
• Spit a tooth out hard enough to create a dent in the ground

"At least Class 25 (Knocked a large tree down with his legs and lifted an even larger tree, before spinning it around at high-speeds. Uprooted a tree with ease, launched Smile Man's kendama at high-speed with one hand, twice, launched a manhole cover at high-speeds, and twisted Royal Ripper's arm after countering his attempts to stab Tareo), likely Class M (Clashed with Genos, deflected his Machine Gun Blows, and redirected a rocket-propelled punch with a kick. Reflected Tanktop Master's strength onto himself twofold), possibly Class G (Redirected one of Metal Bat's regular swings and clashed with Metal Bat during the initiation of his Killer Move, before deflecting all of Metal Bat's Brutal Tornado, although Metal Bat could have killed Garou with one strike)"

He should also have Resistance to Electricity, since he was unaffected after being electrocuted by a power line. On the other hand, his Resistance to Poison should be removed, as he was still affected by the poison, with it hindering his physical ability severely. A very good stamina feat, which it is already listed as, but not resistance.

 

[ElixirBlue]

I agree

 

[Dual_Binoculars]

I agree and honesty Human Garou should just be straight up Class M based off all those feats IMO.

 

[Yar_R_agi_7k]

I agree

 

[Ourosboros]

I agree, glad someone looked into this

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I agree with everyting here

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Bump.

 

[Ped2018]

Agreed

 

[Ourosboros]

Everyone seems to support the change so far. How many perspectives do you think we should get before we have a bureaucrat or somebody look it over and apply the change? We have 6 in favor now, maybe 10.

Also... shouldn't this mean we should upgrade half monster Garou to "at least Class M, possibly class G"?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

If Human Garou is "At least Class 25, likely Class M, possibly Class G", or straight up "Class M, possibly Class G", then Half-Monster Garou would be "At least Class M, possibly Class G, higher via Reactive Evolution". Along with that:

• Superalloy Darkshine: At least Class G, likely higher
• Post-Superfight Genos: At least Class M, possibly Class G
• Tanktop Master: At least Class M, possibly Class G

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Seems okay

 

[Ourosboros]

Neato... that's 7 votes in favor

 

[Shift_Ctrl_Alt_Delete]

This looks pretty good! Count me as agree.

 

[USklaverei]

I agree

 

[USklaverei]

If Human Garou is "At least Class 25, likely Class M, possibly Class G", or straight up "Class M, possibly Class G", then Half-Monster Garou would be "At least Class M, possibly Class G, higher via Reactive Evolution". Along with that:

• Superalloy Darkshine: At least Class G, likely higher
• Post-Superfight Genos: At least Class M, possibly Class G
• Tanktop Master: At least Class M, possibly Class G

I think starting with '' Class M '' is better

 

[Phoenks]

Agreed!

 

[Ourosboros]

Agreed!

Good to see you Phoenks. This is completely unrelated, but could you take a look at the most recent OPM CRT thread? We are wrapping it up now and I would like your opinion on some potential a-class downgrades. I can give you a resume of the changes if you want. Here: https://vsbattles.com/threads/some-updates-on-one-punch-man.110824/page-6#post-3500524

 

[Ourosboros]

Also, that's ten votes in favor now and none against. I think we can implement this if Antvasima or AKM_Sama is okay with it

 

[USklaverei]

Send him a message

 

[Kin201]

If deflecting someone's strikes makes your lifting strength scale to them, then I'm fine with it. Human Garou is definitely physically weaker than TTM, MB, Genos and Bang though. He beat two of them because of his superior techniques and martial arts skills. I can see this affects many characters, especially Dragon-level threats and such.

 

[USklaverei]

And yes, that should update more people

 

[Ryukama]

WSRSF's "reflection" is treated as something that is done through martial arts skill and redirecting an opponent's own energy as opposed to physical strength. (Though of course there comes a certain point where an opponent is too strong to reflect). But either way I don't think that should be counted as lifting strength. Also you do not necessarily need to be able to bench press as much as someone to be capable of blocking their arm. Plus lifting strength and striking strength is generally treated as different.

I guess you could argue Limiter Break Garou's physical strength is at least somewhat comparable to Darkshine's since he was able to grapple on top of him while having the dominant hold. But I don't know.

I personally would just stick to the direct lifting feats he did like the tree and whatnot

 

[Kin201]

In my opinion, Garou's physical strength scales to Darkshine's is totally fine. We know that Darkshine's durability scales above his own AP to a significant degree, and Garou could match his full power attacks and later hurt him. We are just uncertain about scaling Garou's lifting strength via redirecting attacks though.

 

[USklaverei]

But you said, there is a limit to how much he can deflect, when things are much higher, he just can't, as it was at the beginning of the fight against Darkshine.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Bump.

Anyway, we ditch the Water Stream Rock Smashing Fist feats and the blocking feats, which leaves us with:

At least Class 25 (Knocked a tree down with his legs and lifted an even larger tree, before spinning it. Effortlessly ripped roots outs from the ground, launched Smile Man's kendama with one hand, twice, and flung a manhole cover at high-speeds)