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Bro I really wanna avoid scaling people to an admiral
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Some Random One Piece CRT
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The ratings for everyone post timeskip
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how are things changing? you can summarize because it appears it's very long.
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Not sure if attack potency would effect the healing properties only how lethal the attack was, which in comparison a Red Hawk is far more lethal than the cut Zoro used on Hody.
I don't think it was a one-shot like others were seen in the series, felt more like a finishing blow if anything. I'll wait for Tempest's input though.
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Lots of people are getting higher ratings, different scaling chains, some things implemented from the databook are going to be put in place, a multiplier that we ignored for some reason is getting implemented and it's changing a lot, etc/
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I don't know a damn thing that's going on tbh
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So basically a large majority of one piece power scaling is changing dang.
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User's willpower.
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Gear Third upscaling to 6-C for finishing off Monster Hody, tbh I don't see the justification for upscaling since at that point Hody was extremely damaged and the energy steroids healing effects aren't shown to be that great.
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Why the hell would he upscale...
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Hey it's not my fault, i am pretty sure i said this before but again i don't like any multiplier in OP, but since they were accepted then they just jump Zoro to 6C and that's it.Fishman Island Zoro > Doflamingo? DoubtIs Fujitora going to be scaling as well?
G3? Because G2 is upscaling from Overdosed Hody and G3 had the same effect (white eyes) on Monster Hody.
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Overdosed Hody had minimum damage done when a weakened underwater Luffy with no Haki punched him in his stomach and sent him flying hundreds of meters with a single jet pistol, and Overdosed Hody is 1.0060362173x further from the next tier.
Monster Hody was coughing out blood from an internal wound from Red Hawk, plus he was damaged from the consecutive pain. The gap from Overdosed Hody to the next tier is a 1.0814889336x difference. It's actually far safer to not upscale G3rd for that.
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I understand upscaling G4th from G3rd because of the mass superiority.
I don't agree with upscaling G3rd for upscaling sake.
This is not the 6-C CRT. Don't treat it like it is.
Also, I made this for the purpose of not scaling people to Issho.
Issho with no Buso: Koka fought against G2nd+G3rd Luffy and sent him flying with a blunt force attack. Issho, sent the guy inverse immune to blunt force, flying with a blunt force attack.
And where do Doflamingo's physicals scale? Law scales for cutting his face with Mes as well.
I don't agree with upscaling G3rd for upscaling sake.
This is not the 6-C CRT. Don't treat it like it is.
Also, I made this for the purpose of not scaling people to Issho.
Issho with no Buso: Koka fought against G2nd+G3rd Luffy and sent him flying with a blunt force attack. Issho, sent the guy inverse immune to blunt force, flying with a blunt force attack.
And where do Doflamingo's physicals scale? Law scales for cutting his face with Mes as well.
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Just want to say that sending Luffy flying with a blunt force attack isn't that impressive. His Devil Fruit makes him resistant to being harmed through blunt force but he doesn't negate the impact or stop himself from being moved by the force of it.
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As long as Luffy doesn't cough out blood or states it hurts, it's not really impressive as we the viewers can clearly tell when Luffy is seriously hurt or not. Luffy being sent out flying doesn't automatically signify he's hurt, just like when luffy punched a drunk kaido with an elephant gun
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Doesn't base luffy have 3.9 GTS durability?
If doflamingo hurt base luffy, then he should be able to upscale to 6-C with awakening+haki
If doflamingo hurt base luffy, then he should be able to upscale to 6-C with awakening+haki
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Doffy used his threads, so most likely he should
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Makes sense.
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Why does base Luffy have that dura?
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For whoever wants that to maintain, why is that the case?
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The inconsistencies.
Everyone who can hurt Luffy now scales to Gear Third.
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I think he should get it even without haki added on his Awakening. When Doffy went for Athlete on Luffy, it completely bounced off. But in Chapter 785, while Luffy and Doffy are fighting during the 20 minute timeskip, there's a panel that shows a yellow indicator that Doffy's Awakening strings connected with a glancing blow to Luffy while he was trying to dodge them.
(What I'm referring to is on page 3 at the bottom)
To me, that suggests Doffy's Awakening Strings were capable of harming Luffy if they had actually connected. That's probably why Luffy was seen scrambling to dodge them in the other panel during that aforementioned timeskip (page 2 of the imgur link I provided), which is ironic considering Luffy recently taunted Kaido about dodging one of his attacks because he knew it would actually hurt him lol.
One more thing, I wasn't certain for a long time due to Oda's habit with disappearing and reappearing bruises on his characters, but now I think am certain that some of the bruises that appear on Luffy's face post Doffy's Awakening reveal wasn't there at any point during the arc before and was put on there by Doffy during their fight as King Riku made his speech. For example, the bruises on his face when he says "No time left" and "Rubber Rubber".
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Makes sense to me.
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Doflamingo actually caused Luffy to cough up blood and left marks on his face with kicks that were NOT given visual Haki indicators, so his AP should be > Base Luffy's anyways.
I think the only times Luffy wasn't outright hurt/overpowered by Doflamingo's physical strikes were the times they had a Haoshoku clash (which happened more than twice), and when Doflamingo (stupidly) kicked a Haki-protected Bound-Man.
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What's wrong with scaling Luffy comparable to Fujitora? He did harm him, and they were going roughly even during their clashes.
And even if we did see that Fujitora in the future is relative to the other Admirals in power, he'd definitely get a new key for the sole fact that half a dozen arcs have passed between Dressrosa and then (A couple months so far iirc?).
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We also shouldn't forgot that Luffy didn't went out against Fujitora (Fujitora is weaker compared to other Admirals, considering he's an Admiral for 2 years while the others worked longer). We cannot assume that all Admirals are equally strong just because of their title, for instance Akainu is stronger than Aokiji and Kizaru, and Garp is also stronger than Akainu, etc etc.
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We don't scale Akainu = Aokiji = Kizaru because of their title, but because of the fact that they have feats that put them relative to one another.
Aokiji fought Akainu for 10 days, and they scarred eachother. They're practically equal as far as we are aware.
Kizaru fought Marco, who was capable of stopping attacks from Akainu, and sent Aokiji flying.
Fujitora on the other hand... He got hurt by Gear 3rd Luffy, couldn't do anything about Doffy's strings, and his best feat was getting the upper hand on Sabo whilst holding back... but Sabo isn't very impressive. Breaking Diamante's sword, and beating Burgess mid-diff... scary.
I'm only saying that Fujitora would simply get another key if we ever saw him clash against Akainu or someone relative for some reason or another...
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Aren't Luffy's own attacks blunt force attacks? Which is something that he inherently resistant to?
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I think you are misunderstanding my point i was making, i'm aware that you guys don't scale admirals to be equals just because of their title, i meant in general whenever a new admiral is introduced (Green bull is still a silhouette, but he is most likely comparable to Fujitora) .
I honestly don't see Fujitora being stronger than either Aokiji or Akainu, but don't get me wrong it's not a low diff or anything. That aside, i wasn't disagreeing with you, i was adding the fact that Luffy didn't went full out against Fujitora, and mostly used G3 and G2.
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So if we scale base Luffy's durability to his physicals how do we explain base Lucci harming him in base but almost getting K.O'd in Zoan form + Tekkai from Gear Third?
I agree with damage that Luffy's blunt force resistance should cover it.
There's also the fact that Luffy only scales to 3.9 Gigatons in Gear Third + Armament Haki so it seems pretty illogical for that to scale to regular Luffy in the first place through Newton's Law. One last thing we even see Luffy using Gear Third to block attacks which suggests that it possesses higher durability for defensive purposes he wouldn't normally have in Base.
I agree with damage that Luffy's blunt force resistance should cover it.
There's also the fact that Luffy only scales to 3.9 Gigatons in Gear Third + Armament Haki so it seems pretty illogical for that to scale to regular Luffy in the first place through Newton's Law. One last thing we even see Luffy using Gear Third to block attacks which suggests that it possesses higher durability for defensive purposes he wouldn't normally have in Base.
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Don't Disrespect Fujitora
there is something that's called holding back... He was only there to protect... Not fight.
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Because Luffy needed to combine G2nd and G3rd to deal a minor scratch wound on his cheek when he hit him off guard while Issho didn't even use Busoshoku: Koka on Luffy and he was maintaining a county on top of his head.
The same reason why people don't want to scale Sabo to Issho is the same reason why we shouldn't scale Luffy to Issho in my opinion.
This same Luffy scales to everybody in Wano and some others. I don't think it's wise to scale everyone to him.
Probably a month or 2, but I'd agree with another key.
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If Luffy's dura will not scale to G3, where we can scale it for non-haki BM?
IMO, we can do to BM the same i proposed for Cracker (BM's dura being equal to Luffy's base seems very strange after all), his stats could downscale to H7A+ and then only get 6C with haki (this doesn't need to be added to his AP as we only see him attacking with Haki, so it's a dura only thing) meaning Doffy's Awakening would be H7A+ for dealing minor bruises to him and Cracker's non-haki stats would have both the downscaling as well as forcing BM to evade to get H7A+
IMO, we can do to BM the same i proposed for Cracker (BM's dura being equal to Luffy's base seems very strange after all), his stats could downscale to H7A+ and then only get 6C with haki (this doesn't need to be added to his AP as we only see him attacking with Haki, so it's a dura only thing) meaning Doffy's Awakening would be H7A+ for dealing minor bruises to him and Cracker's non-haki stats would have both the downscaling as well as forcing BM to evade to get H7A+
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Nani….
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True....
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Doflamingo's physicals
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Fujitora was blocking with his blade, but he was still sent flying regardless. They also clashed during the climax of their fight before the Ferocious Tiger pop. Gotta keep in mind Fujitora also didn't do much damage to Luffy either. They both gave eachother small bruises and scratches, that's about it.
Difference between Sabo vs Fujitora and Luffy vs Fujitora is that there's a clear statement made by Fujitora, where he says "Oh, I couldn't go after SH because I was too preoccupied with you... oopsie~", whereas Fujitora was resolved to capture/kill Luffy in their fight, and if anything, Luffy was giving Fujitora a handicap by calling out his moves.
I think the time from Dressrosa to current is a couple months, but I'll need to look at the time-line since there are easy-to-miss panels like "2 days later" or some nonsense sprinkled out.
For BM Luffy's dura without Haki? There's no support for this. He blocked Doflamingo's kick while using Haki melding. There's nothing to say he would've tanked the kick if he weren't using Haki.
- D's Haki + Kick is countered by L's Haki + Elasticity. Both Haki canceling out, and Elasticity trumping a Kick.
And before anyone says "Base Luffy can scale", I need to point out despite Luffy's resistance to BF, Doflamingo's non-haki kicks were still dealing damage. It's hard to argue against Doflamingo's Physical AP being > Base Luffy's Dura (including BF resistance).
Luffy's first Elephant Gun left a bruise on Fujitora's face despite the latter's attempt at blocking it with their sword and side.Don't Disrespect FujitoraI swear you'll are giving feats even if they accidentally blows up a mountain or something like it's their full power... That's literally the same thing as not seeing a thing at all besides we know how powerful they can be... Also when did fujitora get hurt by gear 3rd?
Fujitora's a little sketchy with his actions, because despite being a protector and wanting to let the SHs handle Doflamingo, he wasn't giving his all to deal with the cage that was threatening to slaughter many citizens... Also, when Tsuru rolled the dice, Fujitora resolved to capture Luffy. And during their fight, Fujitora resolved to kill Luffy until the citizens changed his mind. We can't disprove that he was serious in his fight with Luffy.
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