Solid Snake vs Pikachu

[Mikoto_Misaka231]

Snake's rating comes from his P-Bomb potency, not his standard equipment or his physical output.

Yup.

We still don´t have calcs on the railgun.

Not that it matters, since Snake would shoot Pikachu on his back and probably on the neck, so her would suffocate.

Snake will still effected after being bombarded with microwaves, attempting to touch Pikachu will still lead to a heavy shock.

Yes, but it would not kill him.

See the microwaves, nanons and the fight with Volgin. (million volts.)

 

[Mikoto_Misaka231]

You obviously don't understand that the game is the primary canon, so telling me that Pokemon cannot use moves that they have proven to be able to use those moves in the primary canon is just... how do I put this lightly?

Pikachu, as a character, as the Pikachu with "great leadership skills" Pika just described a moment ago, is Red´s Pikachu.

We are using Canon Composite Pikachu, that, again, again, again, means Ash´s Pikachu, Red´s Pikachu and whoever else had a pikachu on the anime, games or manga.

Your rebuttal has descended into "No you.", glad we've had an intelligent conversation.

You can´t accept Electric terrain is not canon to the composite canon Pikachu?

If you wanna use it, it would be a non canon composite pikachu.

Sniper rifles are slower than Pikachu try again.

Oh God...

Again.

Snake is hiding, Pikachu has no knowledge of him nor that he is hiding.

Snake would shoot Pikachu on his back either with tranqs or solid bullets to the neck, which would either put him to sleep or suffocate him.

I have to remind you that if a sbustitute is up, Snake will aim for the substitute, anything that isn't Snakes more top of the line weaponry will not break it, so he will have to give up his position in order to realize it was a ploy.

Why would Pikachu activate Substitute in the frist place if Pikachu has no knowledge of Snake nor that he is hiding?

Read the other posts before replying.

Blantant fanboyism is very apparent.

Indeed it is.

 

[Mikoto_Misaka231]

Rinse and repeat, see above for an actual rebuttal to half of your points that you just won't accept.


Show me one scan where Pikachu has show resistance to Sleeping Gas (He is affected by them in the games. Ex. Sleeping Powder, so please don´t bother arguing against that.) or having a tranq on his bloodstream.


I am waiting.

inb4 "He wakes up after 3 turns"

 

[Pocket-Chu]

In round one Pika gets the first attack as stated by you, so he pretty much wins that one.

In round two you never stated that Pikachu doesn't know that someone is about to start a fight with him nor did you state that Snake was hidden at the start of the match, so we pretty much have to assume that they start the battle in the open basically looking at each other.

.-. so your whole argument of Snake being hidden and assassinating Pikachu is pretty much irelevant

 

[Talonmask]

Pikachu has Wish, not dying in one blow.

The moment the first attack happens, Pikachu goes into alert and calls in HQ at MHS speeds.

Or, you know, destroys his camo with Thunder Wave.

He moves at Supersonic speeds, Pikachu moves at Massively Hypersonic speeds, he isn't getting away.

 

[Mikoto_Misaka231]

Pocket-Chu wrote:
In round one Pika gets the first attack as stated by you, so he pretty much wins that one.

Snake has methods to scape even after being seen.


Again, again, again.

Stun Grenades, Smoke grenades, Steatlh camo, chaffies...


In round two you never stated that Pikachu doesn't know that someone is about to start a fight

Nor did i state Pikachu DOES know that someone is about to start a fight


with him nor did you state that Snake was hidden at the start of the match, so we pretty much have to assume that they start the battle in the open basically looking at each other.

I didn´t imply that.

I just said Snake wanted to kill Pikachu.

Not that it matters, since Pikachu can´t outsmart Snake and think "That guy will shoot me RIGHT NOW, gotta use X"

Pikachu would run around, but he cannot find Snake if he has stealth camo on.

.-. so your whole argument of Snake being hidden and assassinating Pikachu is pretty much irelevant

It would be if you read the other posts.

Show me one scan where Pikachu has show resistance to Sleeping Gas (He is affected by them in the games. Ex. Sleeping Powder, so please don´t bother arguing against that.) or having a tranq on his bloodstream.


I am waiting.

inb4 "He wakes up after 3 turns"

 

[Pocket-Chu]

So basically what you're saying is that Snake only wins because this isn't an actual fight and Pikachu is just sitting there minding his own business and then some jackass comes to capture/kill him, that doesn't seem very fair at all.

 

[Talonmask]

Electric Terrain is canon, Pikachu has shown to use it.

Are you really debating this with me?

That's like saying that Final Fantasy VII isn't primary canon to Final Fantasy VII.

EVERY TIME YOU BRING UP SLEEP, ELECTRIC TERRAIN.

8-A Sniper Rifle? No.

According to your belief, Arceus shouldn't be 2-C, since, obviously, the games aren't primary canon.

Do you not see the flaw here?

 

[Mikoto_Misaka231]

Pikachu has Wish, not dying in one blow.

Pikachu does not have wish becuase it is not cano

PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, READ WHAT I AM WRITTING.

The moment the first attack happens, Pikachu goes into alert and calls in HQ at MHS speeds.

*Thread music changes to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG-bJctQy9U*

Exept Pikachu doesnt have superior senses to detect a bullet is going to hit him on his back.

HIS. BACK.

Snake is hidden.

Or, you know, destroys his camo with Thunder Wave.

Stealth Camo is inmune to EMPs, Octo Camo was only disabled after several seconds into the Microwave.

You know what?

Let´s say it does.

now what?

Snake is naturally gifted on the arts of stealth, he fooled genetically augmented Genome soldiers on his own without problem.

He moves at Supersonic speeds, Pikachu moves at Massively Hypersonic speeds, he isn't getting away.

Smoke grenades, Stealth, Chaffie...

oh god...

...

If Pikachu had like the skill to smell Snake kilometers away, he would beat his stealth, or something like that.

But he does not.

Pikachu would be stunned by Stun Grenades or Chaffies.

Snake is also MHS.

 

[Mikoto_Misaka231]

So basically what you're saying is that Snake only wins because this isn't an actual fight and Pikachu is just sitting there minding his own business and then some jackass comes to capture/kill him, that doesn't seem very fair at all.

I never said it was fair.

In Love and War, everything goes.


Electric Terrain is canon, Pikachu has shown to use it.

In the anime? Come on, show me.

Even if it does, It would be debateable if it manages to mess up with the Octo-camo in one go.

And even if it does.

Snake has the natural skill of stealth.

Genome Soldiers.


Are you really debating this with me?

yes i am.

That's like saying that Final Fantasy VII isn't primary canon to Final Fantasy VII.

Well, i DO doubt Zack being Star Level Dura if he was shot to death in canon.

EVERY TIME YOU BRING UP SLEEP, ELECTRIC TERRAIN.

Round 1 ends with Pikachu being tranq´d.

8-A Sniper Rifle? No.

Pikachu having specific points that are vulnerable? like his neck?

Yes.

According to your belief, Arceus shouldn't be 2-C, since, obviously, the games aren't primary canon.

You´re actually scaling Pikachu with Arceus?

Games are primary canon, but not to Pikachu, the "character".

He hasn´t used wish on canon.

Pikachu falls asleep from Sleeping Powder on the games.

So Snake wins round 1.

Sleep Gas Mines and Tranqs.

Do you not see the flaw here?

Do you not see the flaw in your argument?

 

[Talonmask]

Snake is MHS reactions, his movement is significantly slower.

Wish is a canon move, literally look it up.

Regardless of breeding, it can use it.

Oh boy, let's see how you manage this:

You put an unaware target against someone who has full advantage at stealth from the beginning into a battle against each other.

Seems like you're trying to give him a blantant advantage.

My points still stand, failed to refute.

 

[Pocket-Chu]

I think it would probably be best if this thread was just locked .-.

 

[Talonmask]

So basically what you're saying is that Snake only wins because this isn't an actual fight and Pikachu is just sitting there minding his own business and then some jackass comes to capture/kill him, that doesn't seem very fair at all.
I never said it was fair.

In Love and War, everything goes.


Electric Terrain is canon, Pikachu has shown to use it.

In the anime? Come on, show me.

Even if it does, It would be debateable if it manages to mess up with the Octo-camo in one go.

And even if it does.

Snake has the natural skill of stealth.

Genome Soldiers.


Are you really debating this with me?

yes i am.

That's like saying that Final Fantasy VII isn't primary canon to Final Fantasy VII.

Well, i DO doubt Zack being Star Level Dura if he was shot to death in canon.

EVERY TIME YOU BRING UP SLEEP, ELECTRIC TERRAIN.

Round 1 ends with Pikachu being tranq´d.

8-A Sniper Rifle? No.

Pikachu having specific points that are vulnerable? like his neck?

Yes.

According to your belief, Arceus shouldn't be 2-C, since, obviously, the games aren't primary canon.

You´re actually scaling Pikachu with Arceus?

Games are primary canon, but not to Pikachu, the "character".

He hasn´t used wish on canon.

Pikachu falls asleep from Sleeping Powder on the games.

So Snake wins round 1.

Sleep Gas Mines and Tranqs.

Do you not see the flaw here?

Do you not see the flaw in your argument?

Snake loses round 1 due to Electric Terrain, it's pointless to argue.

The profile on this site, THIS site, is using Pikachu not as a character, but as a species. Therefore... gasp.

GAME IS CANON.

That point also flew over your head.

It wasn't a scaling, it was a comparison to show why your argument was stupid and flawed.

 

[Mikoto_Misaka231]

Snake is MHS reactions, his movement is significantly slower.

Then, i don´t see Snake...not reacting to Pikachu.

It´s not like Snake´s hands are bare and connect electricity anyways.

He could break it´s neck.

Wish is a canon move, literally look it up.

Oh, I have to link everything i say and you don´t read it and when I ask you for information you cannot source yourself?

Fair.

Regardless of breeding, it can use it.

In the games.

Where Pikachu has no character nor leader skills.

A random wild pikachu is indeed as smart as a street Dogo.

If he was you know, Ash´s Red´s or anyone else´s Pikachu from the manga, anime or games it would be better for him.

Oh boy, let's see how you manage this:

You put an unaware target against someone who has full advantage at stealth from the beginning into a battle against each other.

Exept that is exactly what Snake does.

Pikachu would have to search far in wide for Snake, which, even without camo, has the natural skill to hide.

Snake can ALWAYS track Pikachu down with Mei Ling´s Radar.

Seems like you're trying to give him a blantant advantage. <

Exept...that is Snake´s main and canon weapon.

Stealth.

My points still stand, failed to refute.

Failed to be proven, actually.

 

[Mikoto_Misaka231]

I think it would probably be best if this thread was just locked .-.

Why is that?

Even if they saw each other, i don´t see a random wild Pikachu being able to outsmart Snake.


I just can´t.

 

[Mikoto_Misaka231]

Snake loses round 1 due to Electric Terrain, it's pointless to argue.

It is not pointless, since Snake wins due to Pikachu´s lack of invulnerability to Sleeping gases and tranqs.

Snake wins when Pikachu falls aesleep. Pikachu has no such skill on the anime nor manga.

Random Wild Pikachu having ET? why not.

It would still be a win for Snake sine PIkachu fell asleep.

The profile on this site, THIS site, is using Pikachu not as a character, but as a species. Therefore... gasp.

GAME IS CANON.

See point 1.


You still haven´t shown me any proof of Pikachu resisting gases or tranqs.

As long as you don´t, Snake wins Round 1.

 

[Aparajita]

Can someone lock this thread? It's going around and around in circles without a clear end in sight.

 

[Talonmask]

Snake is MHS reactions, his movement is significantly slower.

Then, i don´t see Snake...not reacting to Pikachu.

It´s not like Snake´s hands are bare and connect electricity anyways.

He could break it´s neck.

Wish is a canon move, literally look it up.

Oh, I have to link everything i say and you don´t read it and when I ask you for information you cannot source yourself?

Fair.

Regardless of breeding, it can use it.

In the games.

Where Pikachu has no character nor leader skills.

A random wild pikachu is indeed as smart as a street Dogo.

If he was you know, Ash´s Red´s or anyone else´s Pikachu from the manga, anime or games it would be better for him.

Oh boy, let's see how you manage this:

You put an unaware target against someone who has full advantage at stealth from the beginning into a battle against each other.

Exept that is exactly what Snake does.

Pikachu would have to search far in wide for Snake, which, even without camo, has the natural skill to hide.

Snake can ALWAYS track Pikachu down with Mei Ling´s Radar.

Seems like you're trying to give him a blantant advantage. <

Exept...that is Snake´s main and canon weapon.

Stealth.

My points still stand, failed to refute.

Failed to be proven, actually.

Agility. There, not reacting to it anymore.

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pikachu_(Pokémon)

Yes, in the games, the canon we are using.

Substitute, Double Team.

Stealth is put in jeopardy whilist trying to harm it.

 

[Talonmask]

Snake loses round 1 due to Electric Terrain, it's pointless to argue.
It is not pointless, since Snake wins due to Pikachu´s lack of invulnerability to Sleeping gases and tranqs.

Snake wins when Pikachu falls aesleep. Pikachu has no such skill on the anime nor manga.

Random Wild Pikachu having ET? why not.

It would still be a win for Snake sine PIkachu fell asleep.

The profile on this site, THIS site, is using Pikachu not as a character, but as a species. Therefore... gasp.

GAME IS CANON.

See point 1.


You still haven´t shown me any proof of Pikachu resisting gases or tranqs.

As long as you don´t, Snake wins Round 1.

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Electric_Terrain_(move)

Read.

 

[Mikoto_Misaka231]

Agility. There, not reacting to it anymore.

Stealth. Fools. Pikachu.

A Box. Fools. Pikachu.

Sleeping Gas Mine. Fools. Pikachu.

Wild Pikachu. is. as. smart. as. a. dogo.

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pikachu_(Pokémon)

Gee, just posting the main artice on Bulbapedia.

Is the equivalent to me telling you the population of Colombia and linkking the wikipedia article about it.

Nice source.

Yes, in the games, the canon we are using.

Fine.

ET might disable BOTH suits if you really think that Pikachu has the equivalent to a entire wall of microwves.

But, i can use Game Mechanics too.

Pikachu can only have 4 moves

Substitute, Double Team.

If Snake is hidden, wy would Pikachu use substitute or Double Team?

If Snake lands a tranq shot, Pikachu falls asleep. (Game shows Pikachu being vulnerable to Sleep Gases and other moves that cause Sleep on the opponent)

Why would Pikachu outsmart Snake out of nowhere, like he KNOWS he is going to get shot and use any move at all?

Stealth is put in jeopardy whilist trying to harm it.

Stealth is not put in Jeopardy since it trumps Pikachu´s wild nature.

 

[Pocket-Chu]

I get the feeling that Mikoto doesn't even know what Electric Terrain does ._.

 

[Aparajita]

Please tell me the speed of Snake's weapons that he can use from stealth.

 

[Talonmask]

Pikachu won't fall asleep because of ET.

To actually make this more even instead of a blatant attempt at getting him more victories, Pikachu should at least have knowledge that he is there, even if he is stealthed, Pikachu acknowleges there's a threat, and therefore uses Sub and DT/Agility.

 

[Aparajita]

Pikachu won't fall asleep because of ET.
To actually make this more even instead of a blatant attempt at getting him more victories, Pikachu should at least have knowledge that he is there, even if he is stealthed, Pikachu acknowleges there's a threat, and therefore uses Sub and DT/Agility.

Or, Pikachu hears the gun clicking and reacts and casually dodges or sets up a sub/dt/agility because he's literally 100,000 times faster than a bullet.

 

[Talonmask]

Pikachu won't fall asleep because of ET.
To actually make this more even instead of a blatant attempt at getting him more victories, Pikachu should at least have knowledge that he is there, even if he is stealthed, Pikachu acknowleges there's a threat, and therefore uses Sub and DT/Agility.

Or, Pikachu hears the gun clicking and reacts and casually dodges or sets up a sub/dt/agility because he's literally 100,000 times faster than a bullet.

Easier way of putting it.

 

[Mikoto_Misaka231]

I get the feeling that Mikoto doesn't even know what Electric Terrain does ._.

Electric Terrain creates terrain that envelops the field and replaces the background environment and any other terrain that is already in effect. The terrain fades after five turns.

It avoids Pikachu from falling asleep.

Of course i knew.

It does not matter for two reasons.

1.-Has no reason to use the move since he doesnt have a reason to be alerted, since Snake would be hidden.

2.-Even after Pikachu activates it, it fades over time.

It´s not like Pikachu is going to find Snake.


>Please tell me the speed of Snake's weapons that he can use from stealth.

Guns are Supersonic.

And, i KNOW what you are ttrying to get with this, but it won´t work.

Snake would shoot Pikachu while he is hidden, and at Pikachu´s neck or back.

Please tell me a legit method on how Pikachu would know he was getting shot on his back.

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

Hmm. This seems inconclusive, best to lock this to avoid heat