Solid Snake vs Pikachu

[Mikoto_Misaka231]

PAKCHUUUU WINS THUNDER WAVE!!!

SNAAAAAKEEE WIIIIIIINSSSSSS. METAL GEEAAAAARRR!!

 

[Ddcbryant]

SHORT CIRCUITS METAL GEAR!!

 

[Mikoto_Misaka231]

SHORT CIRCUITS METAL GEAR!!

I was just screaming...

Snake isn´t going to use Metal Gear.


And he wins this fight imo.

 

[Mikoto_Misaka231]

bump.


Can we agree to add this to Snake´s victories?

Most votes agree he wins round 1.

Also, an edge in intelligence, options, skills and stealth.

 

[Pocket-Chu]

wait what? My count is 7 votes for Pika and 3 for Snake O,o ?

 

[Pikachu942]

Most seem to agree Snake wins actually.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I'm not sure it should be added yet as round 2 is a more definitive round to who would win in a deathmatch, which is what this site is mainly about. If Snake wins R2 (which I don't believe yet), then it should be added. If this were only round one, then it should get added.

If it does get added, there should be an incap note though.

 

[Pikachu942]

Most seem to agree Snake wins actually.

Meant to say Pikachu, sorry.

 

[Mikoto_Misaka231]

I'm not sure it should be added yet as round 2 is a more definitive round to who would win in a deathmatch, which is what this site is mainly about. If Snake wins R2 (which I don't believe yet), then it should be added. If this were only round one, then it should get added.
If it does get added, there should be an incap note though.

It all comes up to the question of Pikachu being able to survive a Sniper Round to the neck.


Without. Having. Seen. Snake.

 

[Aparajita]

It all comes up to the question of Pikachu being able to survive a Sniper Round to the neck.


Without. Having. Seen. Snake.

Gunshots. Make. Sounds. Even. With. Silencers.

Pikachu. Reacts. To. Lightning.

In Pokemon episode 94, Pika and Goliath, he dodges Thunder, which is literally Cloud to Ground Lightning.

This say lightning moves at 220,000,000 feet per second.

The 950 JDJ, the largest rifle round on the planet, travels 2,200 feet per second.

Pikachu, from the moment the firing pin moves when snake pulls the trigger, Pikachu would have already, in his little rodent brain, discovered thousands of ways to move before that bullet even left the chamber.

Snake's speed =/= the speed of his projectiles.

 

[Mikoto_Misaka231]

It all comes up to the question of Pikachu being able to survive a Sniper Round to the neck.


Without. Having. Seen. Snake.

Gunshots. Make. Sounds. Even. With. Silencers.
Pikachu. Reacts. To. Lightning.

In Pokemon episode 94, Pika and Goliath, he dodges Thunder, which is literally Cloud to Ground Lightning.

This say lightning moves at 220,000,000 feet per second.

The 950 JDJ, the largest rifle round on the planet, travels 2,200 feet per second.

Pikachu, from the moment the firing pin moves when snake pulls the trigger, Pikachu would have already, in his little rodent brain, discovered thousands of ways to move before that bullet even left the chamber.

Snake's speed =/= the speed of his projectiles.

Indeed, But Pikachu still doesnt have anything on Snake´s stealth.

 

[Aparajita]

Indeed, But Pikachu still doesnt have anything on Snake´s stealth.

This move would allow Pikachu to light up the area, removing all shadows.

The description, The user flashes a bright light that cuts the target's accuracy. It can also be used to illuminate caves.

 

[Mikoto_Misaka231]

Indeed, But Pikachu still doesnt have anything on Snake´s stealth.

This move would allow Pikachu to light up the area, removing all shadows.
The description, The user flashes a bright light that cuts the target's accuracy. It can also be used to illuminate caves.

Wait..you think Snake´s only method of stealth is hiding in shadows?

Come on.

Octo-Camo, Smoke Grenades, Stealth Camo (Which, now that i remember gives Snake the absolute win, being able to fool genetically augmented, superhuman soldiers without problem), etc.

 

[Aparajita]

Octo-Camo, Smoke Grenades, Stealth Camo (Which, now that i remember gives Snake the absolute win, being able to fool genetically augmented, superhuman soldiers without problem), etc.

Octo-Camo, according to the Metal Gear wiki, doesn't camo Snake's weapons, as it's a suit. And, let's be honest, that isn't very good stealth.

Stealth Camo, like Octo, uses bended light, which would be distorted when Pikachu uses anything.

Smoke Grenades are hardly worth noting, as Pikachu fights team rocket inside their own Smoke Screen.

 

[Mikoto_Misaka231]

Octo-Camo, according to the Metal Gear wiki, doesn't camo Snake's weapons, as it's a suit.

Again, if this is Round 2, Snake is hidden. There is no way for Pikachu to even remotely disvoer him when the Genome Soldiers, Outer Heaven and Raven Sword can not.

Pikachu has the intelligence of an normal animal.

And, let's be honest, that isn't very good stealth.

>Using Game mechanics instead of the cutscenes, where not even Gekkos with thermo and xray vision could find him

Stealth Camo, like Octo, uses bended light, which would be distorted when Pikachu uses anything.

>Stealth Camo being weak to EMPs

No. Play the games, if you mind.

It´s like saying Raiden´s custome falling off completely while touching anything is canon.

Smoke Grenades are hardly worth noting, as Pikachu fights team rocket inside their own Smoke Screen.

Exept they work exactly the same as the pokemon games.

Pikachu has no special skill that lets him see thru smoke.


Also, let´s not forget Snake´s Stun Grenades, Chaffies, Sleep Gas Mine, Tranquilizing rifles, etc.


If you want to get non-canon here, Snake can obliterate Pikachu with the Solar Gun, Mantis Doll and Sorrow Doll.

 

[Yojimbo1989]

The note on the Pokemon page says we take them at their best. Pokemon is a pain to scale, so we have to. Besides, we don't take low ends. Otherwise, Goku is laser level.
Paralysis would work as it worked on Ash before. Plus, we don't do that "he doesn't have ki/chakra/haki/etc" thing here (he's not a pokemon falls into that category). It's a new rule that's been an unspoken one.

Pikachu could always do that spinning thunderbolt to keep Snake at bay.

They're the same now? Phew. I didn't like secret agent Jessie and James.

Pikachu has picked up a thing or two from Ash though. It's unreasonable to assume that he didn't, and remember: composite Pikachu. It's Ash's, Red's, Yellow's, Ritchie's, etc. melded into one, for lack of a better phrase.

I agree that he'll be able to eventually deal with Pikachu, if Pikachu doesn't take him out first. I don't believe that Pikachu wins with ease, as a matter of fact, this is the closest match I've debated in ever aside from Kirby vs Vegito, which is now a stomp in the former's favor. But I digress. I still believe that Pikachu would flush out Snake and take him out due to better powers, paralysis effect, and potentially superior speed.

With Goku he has enough feats to know which are PIS/outliers and which are legitimate. With Pikachu for every good feat that he has, there's an equally bad one to balance it out, from tanking blows from a Latios in one episode to being beaten by a Snivy a few episodes later. Granted a lot of it is done for the sake of the plot, however, given the sheer amount of major contradictions in terms of durability, I personally don't think we can take one encounter with a Latios as a legitimate representation of Pikachu's durability. Keep in mind that I know little about other Pikachus outside of the anime, is there anything that Red's Pikachu has done to make things more consistent? Well here's another thing that must be taken into consideration the very nature of paralysis. When a Pokemon gets paralysed, is it different causes leading to the same effect or the same "hax field" for lack of a better word. I believe things like electric attacks, stun spore and body slam all work by causing muscle damage which limits an opponent's movement, however, does Dragon Breath also work by causing muscle damage, or is it something else that reduces the target's movement and speed. If electric attacks, like thunder wave, work by causing muscle damage then there's little chance that paralysis would work against Snake, given that he and the rest of the Snake family have endured stuff that would have caused anyone to spaz out, a typical taser for instance leaves people immobile and unable to move with a voltage of 50,000 Volts, as I mentioned previously Big Boss survived 10 MILLION VOLTS while soaking wet. Even, if this assumption is incorrect then there is still something else that needs to be considered, namely his nanomachines. The nanomachines have shown to be able to provide bursts of adrenaline granting him an increase in physical stats when he needs it. Plus the nanomachines have the ability to counter and heal various poisons and diseases (they were even capable of keeping a terminal cancer patient alive). They managed to heal Snake into fighting condition minutes after being bombarded by microwaves. This means there's a chance that even the case where paralysis did come into effect, the nanomachines could probably heal Snake of his paralysis. And before you say it its doubtful that Pika's electricity could disable the nanomachines, since his nanomachines survived several minutes of non-stop radiation. Yes Pikachu could use the counter shield to defend against Snake, but that would leave him open to attacks from powerful bombs or a fully charged rail gun bullet. Now there are a few other things to consider which is long-range vs short range combat. Most of Pikachu's attacks could probably dodged by Snake, but the vice versa is also true. But now let's look at each of there abilities piece by piece. Quick attack is one of Pikachu's weaker attacks and it brings him into close range of Snake, which would give Snake perfect opportunity to unleash an attack that Pikachu couldn't dodge. He could use the opportunity to stick a bomb or a sleep gas satchel on Pikachu, and Pikachu would have no way of dodging it, Snake should certainly have the speed, experience and reaction time to do so before Pikachu could get away. Same logic applies if Pika tries to attack with any of his other close range attacks like Iron Tail, in fact those would be easier since they're slower. In terms of long range attacks, it's pretty much a stalemate since bullets and missiles are generally too slow to hit Pikachu, and many of Pikachu's electric attacks could probably be dodged by Snake. It would be a long drawn out fight but the thing that should tip this in Snake's corner is his adaptability and intelligence. In a long and drawn out fight that is probably the most important thing to have

 

[Yojimbo1989]

It all comes up to the question of Pikachu being able to survive a Sniper Round to the neck.


Without. Having. Seen. Snake.

Gunshots. Make. Sounds. Even. With. Silencers.
Pikachu. Reacts. To. Lightning.

In Pokemon episode 94, Pika and Goliath, he dodges Thunder, which is literally Cloud to Ground Lightning.

This say lightning moves at 220,000,000 feet per second.

The 950 JDJ, the largest rifle round on the planet, travels 2,200 feet per second.

Pikachu, from the moment the firing pin moves when snake pulls the trigger, Pikachu would have already, in his little rodent brain, discovered thousands of ways to move before that bullet even left the chamber.

Snake's speed =/= the speed of his projectiles.

Snake should also be as fast, his father Big Boss was capable of dodging electrical blasts from Volgin and Snake also managed to fight Liquid Ocelot, who was capable of shooting lightning out of the air. You're right that Snake's attack speed isn't the same as his natural speed, however he also has an advantage when placing traps. He has a multitude of bombs that can be placed in creative locations, which would prove difficult for the electric rodent. Pikachu would also struggle to find Snake, since Snake managed to sneak by and defeat Crying Wolf, who was capable of tracking Snake in the middle of a blizzard with nothing but sense of smell.

 

[Yojimbo1989]

Octo-Camo, Smoke Grenades, Stealth Camo (Which, now that i remember gives Snake the absolute win, being able to fool genetically augmented, superhuman soldiers without problem), etc.

Octo-Camo, according to the Metal Gear wiki, doesn't camo Snake's weapons, as it's a suit. And, let's be honest, that isn't very good stealth.
Stealth Camo, like Octo, uses bended light, which would be distorted when Pikachu uses anything.

Smoke Grenades are hardly worth noting, as Pikachu fights team rocket inside their own Smoke Screen.

Yet soldiers and hi-tech sensors can still be fooled by it, the fact that we can see it is for the player's convenience only, plus if used in an outdoor environment it would make Snake even harder to see, more so with his face-camo. And most Pikachu's have never been shown to use Flash, the only one that ever did was Shu's Pikachu and even then Snake still has more than one way of concealing himself. Plus if we go the route of saying that it's a composite Pikachu, then for fairness we'd have to give Snake his supernatural weapons, including the solar gun, which attacks at lightspeeds, so Pikachu would be unable to dodge it.

 

[Mikoto_Misaka231]

Octo-Camo, Smoke Grenades, Stealth Camo (Which, now that i remember gives Snake the absolute win, being able to fool genetically augmented, superhuman soldiers without problem), etc.

Octo-Camo, according to the Metal Gear wiki, doesn't camo Snake's weapons, as it's a suit. And, let's be honest, that isn't very good stealth.
Stealth Camo, like Octo, uses bended light, which would be distorted when Pikachu uses anything.

Smoke Grenades are hardly worth noting, as Pikachu fights team rocket inside their own Smoke Screen.

Yet soldiers and hi-tech sensors can still be fooled by it, the fact that we can see it is for the player's convenience only, plus if used in an outdoor environment it would make Snake even harder to see, more so with his face-camo. And most Pikachu's have never been shown to use Flash, the only one that ever did was Shu's Pikachu and even then Snake still has more than one way of concealing himself. Plus if we go the route of saying that it's a composite Pikachu, then for fairness we'd have to give Snake his supernatural weapons, including the solar gun, which attacks at lightspeeds, so Pikachu would be unable to dodge it.

I think you´ve said everything that had to be said.

Well done, soldier.

• Salutes*

 

[Pocket-Chu]

Soooo has anyone changed their opinion yet or is it still 7 to 3 in favor of Pikachu?

 

[Mikoto_Misaka231]

Soooo has anyone changed their opinion yet or is it still 7 to 3 in favor of Pikachu?

Yeah, becuase Snake has Pikachu...on the bag.


Or in the cage, actually.

 

[Pikachu942]

I'm still going with Pikachu personally. Don't we usually close these after 1 side reaches a consensus of 7 votes?

 

[Pocket-Chu]

I'm still going with Pikachu personally. Don't we usually close these after 1 side reaches a consensus of 7 votes?

I might be wrong but I think one character/team needs to have 5 more votes than their opponent(s), meaning Pika needs another vote still.

 

[Mikoto_Misaka231]

I'm still going with Pikachu personally. Don't we usually close these after 1 side reaches a consensus of 7 votes?

I might be wrong but I think one character/team needs to have 5 more votes than their opponent(s), meaning Pika needs another vote still.

Are you two just going to ignore what we just said?

We have debunked almost every spect that could give PIkachu a chance to win.

Please consider reading the posts.

 

[Yojimbo1989]

Indeed, it's not about who gets the most votes, but who gives the most convincing arguments

 

[Mikoto_Misaka231]

Indeed, it's not about who gets the most votes, but who gives the most convincing arguments

indeed.


Please red the posts, because i think we have reached a logical conclution.

 

[Pikachu942]

I did read the posts, nothing Snake has can beat Pikachu's superior durability, and since they are close to equal in speed nothing is gonna change there. I still say Pikachu wins high difficulty.

 

[Talonmask]

Indeed, it's not about who gets the most votes, but who gives the most convincing arguments

indeed.


Please red the posts, because i think we have reached a logical conclution.

What would happen if Pikachu had a Lum or Chesto Berry in hand.

Snake would sure be in for it.

Does Snake have access to Fulton tech or something because he cannot actually touch Pikachu without getting paralyzed due to Static.

Not to mention, Pikachu has Sleep Talk, what happens if he Thunder Wave/bolts in his sleep?

Oh, another important thing, if this is Composite Pikachu, they have Electric Terrain, which prevents affected Pokemon from sleeping, guess the tranquilizer would be out of the question there.

 

[Mikoto_Misaka231]

I did read the posts, nothing Snake has can beat Pikachu's superior durability, and since they are close to equal in speed nothing is gonna change there. I still say Pikachu wins high difficulty.

>NOTHING SNAKE HAS CAN BEAT PIKACHU´S DURABILITY

P-Bombs

Solar Gun

Sniper Rifle (Both normal or tranquilizing rounds to the neck)

RailGun

Mantis Doll

Sorrow Doll

CQC, Knives and Snapping Pikachu´s neck.

>BUT, PIKACHU COULD SEE SNAKE

Smoke Grenades

Chaff Grenades

Stun Grenades

OctoCamo

StealthCamo

Natural Hiding

Pikachu´s animal-level intelligence

 

[Pikachu942]

None of that can kill Pikachu. Just cuz those are shown to be devastating to things in the MGS verse doesn't mean they will do the same to Pikachu, especially when Pikachu's Town Level Durability is higher than Snake's MCB AP.

 

[Mikoto_Misaka231]

Indeed, it's not about who gets the most votes, but who gives the most convincing arguments

indeed.

Please red the posts, because i think we have reached a logical conclution.

What would happen if Pikachu had a Lum or Chesto Berry in hand.
Snake would sure be in for it.

Does Snake have access to Fulton tech or something because he cannot actually touch Pikachu without getting paralyzed due to Static.

Not to mention, Pikachu has Sleep Talk, what happens if he Thunder Wave/bolts in his sleep?

Oh, another important thing, if this is Composite Pikachu, they have Electric Terrain, which prevents affected Pokemon from sleeping, guess the tranquilizer would be out of the question there.

If we are using composite Snake, he obliterates Pikachu with the Solar Gun, Mantis Doll and Sorrow Doll.

Also, this is composite Pikachu, like, a cobination of Red´s Ash´s and whoever else´s pikachu.

that does not include items.

 

[Mikoto_Misaka231]

None of that can kill Pikachu. Just cuz those are shown to be devastating to things in the MGS verse doesn't mean they will do the same to Pikachu, especially when Pikachu's Town Level Durability is higher than Snake's MCB AP.

Again, Pokemon moves are only "powerful" on the pokemon verse.


We have already explained how Pikachu loses to Snake in Round 1 (Pikachu has no inmunity to tranquilizers, and it is not "poison".) and in Round 2 (Rail Gun, and the rest of the list. Mantis Doll lets Snake mind control Pikachu, it is pretty much over there.)

 

[Yojimbo1989]

I did read the posts, nothing Snake has can beat Pikachu's superior durability, and since they are close to equal in speed nothing is gonna change there. I still say Pikachu wins high difficulty.

As I have said Pokemon is incredibly inconsistent in terms of durability, for every single good feat of durability that Pikachu has it is balanced out by an equally very poor feat. Just because Pikachu can last against a Latios does not mean automatically that we can scale him to town level, since he has been beaten many, many more times by things much weaker than Latios

 

[Talonmask]

Indeed, it's not about who gets the most votes, but who gives the most convincing arguments

indeed.

Please red the posts, because i think we have reached a logical conclution.

What would happen if Pikachu had a Lum or Chesto Berry in hand.
Snake would sure be in for it.

Does Snake have access to Fulton tech or something because he cannot actually touch Pikachu without getting paralyzed due to Static.

Not to mention, Pikachu has Sleep Talk, what happens if he Thunder Wave/bolts in his sleep?

Oh, another important thing, if this is Composite Pikachu, they have Electric Terrain, which prevents affected Pokemon from sleeping, guess the tranquilizer would be out of the question there.

If we are using composite Snake, he obliterates Pikachu with the Solar Gun, Mantis Doll and Sorrow Doll.
Also, this is composite Pikachu, like, a cobination of Red´s Ash´s and whoever else´s pikachu.

that does not include items.

Didn't you state that the Solar Gun, Mantis and Sorrow Doll aren't canon?

So, being composite Pikachu, Snake must resort to normal gunfire (which Pikachu being able to react to lightning, should have no trouble dodging, no matter the direction it came from) since Electric Terrain will prevent Pikachu from being tranquilzed and CQC isn't a factor at all because Snake would be paralyzing himself on contact. (Static ability)

Pikachu wins both rounds due to likely speed advantage and being able to paralyze, emotionally damage (Disarming Voice), and disarm Snake. (Knock Off)

 

[Mikoto_Misaka231]

I did read the posts, nothing Snake has can beat Pikachu's superior durability, and since they are close to equal in speed nothing is gonna change there. I still say Pikachu wins high difficulty.

As I have said Pokemon is incredibly inconsistent in terms of durability, for every single good feat of durability that Pikachu has it is balanced out by an equally very poor feat. Just because Pikachu can last against a Latios does not mean automatically that we can scale him to town level, since he has been beaten many, many more times by things much weaker than Latios

Pikachu, after 4 regions, lost to a Snivy.


I can see your argument falling apart now.

 

[Mikoto_Misaka231]

Didn't you state that the Solar Gun, Mantis and Sorrow Doll aren't canon?

Yeah, but it is part of a composite, i NEVER said it was a CANON composite.

So, being composite Pikachu, Snake must resort to normal gunfire

He does not. Do you actually believe Snake just shoots people around?

(which Pikachu being able to react to lightning, should have no trouble dodging, no matter the direction it came from)

It does if your opponent is hidden.

Can you react to a Mosquito after it has bitten you?

Now, that bite will tear down your senses and put you to sleep.

(Sleep Gas Mines also do the job just fine, since Pikachu is dumb compared to Snake.)

since Electric Terrain will prevent Pikachu from being tranquilzed and CQC isn't a factor at all because Snake would be paralyzing himself on contact. (Static ability)

Fair enough, but Snake still has the rest of the list of options to defeat Pikachu.

Also, he would not get paralized in the frist place because of his electromagnetic resistance he has from his nanos and the experience with Ocelot.

Pikachu wins both rounds due to likely speed advantage and being able to paralyze, emotionally damage (Disarming Voice), and disarm Snake. (Knock Off)

...

How do i even respond to this?

This is anime/game composite Pikachu, this means it´s a combination of Ash´s, Red´s and the other´s pikachu.

Not only Snake has mind hax durability, he would not get paralized for reasons stated on the previous posts and in the last paragraph of this one.

 

[Pikachu942]

Pikachu was nerfed to hell by Zekrom right before the Snivy fight. Plus it was already explained earlier it's best to go with high end feats as most verses have low end feats that contradict it like most shonen anime (Goku is rock level in DBZ and makes it to laser level by RoF)

 

[Mikoto_Misaka231]

Pikachu was nerfed to hell by Zekrom right before the Snivy fight. Plus it was already explained earlier it's best to go with high end feats as most verses have low end feats that contradict it like most shonen anime (Goku is rock level in DBZ and makes it to laser level by RoF)

It doesn´t change it´s inconsistent.


And don´t even bring Goku into this, this is a very bad argument.

Goku was both in base and with this guard down.


Pikachu was at his peak while fighting Snivy.

Not that it matters, since Snake still takes this.

 

[Yojimbo1989]

Indeed, it's not about who gets the most votes, but who gives the most convincing arguments

indeed.

Please red the posts, because i think we have reached a logical conclution.

What would happen if Pikachu had a Lum or Chesto Berry in hand.
Snake would sure be in for it.

Does Snake have access to Fulton tech or something because he cannot actually touch Pikachu without getting paralyzed due to Static.

Not to mention, Pikachu has Sleep Talk, what happens if he Thunder Wave/bolts in his sleep?

Oh, another important thing, if this is Composite Pikachu, they have Electric Terrain, which prevents affected Pokemon from sleeping, guess the tranquilizer would be out of the question there.

If you look back I mentioned the very nature of paralysis. If it is just caused by electricity affecting the muscles/nerves in the same manner as a tazer, then Snake would be able to resist it.

No Pikachu has ever been shown to use Sleep Talk to my knowledge, they can learn it via TMs, but no Pikachu in the various forms of media.

Only whilst wearing one of the cosplay costumes, and they also have to be female. But several of the Pikachus in the other media have mostly been male.

 

[Mikoto_Misaka231]

Indeed.

This is composite Pikachu, from the trainers who owned him.