Solar System level Darth Vader ?

[BruceTheBatman]

You mean besides him being constantly stated to be second only to Yoda in power?

1) You forget that part where he was equal or weaker than jedi Dooku, and even if he was that doesn't mean the gap between them isn't massive.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Why would Mace be superior to Brakiss?

Brakiss really isn't that big a deal. Really.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

I really love this wiki so much but when I see things like this, it really upsets me, it's like you guys take the things you like into consideration and stuff you don't, you just ignore. Cherrypicking, Plain and simple.

I rather just ignore Legends stuff all together as I see there's no real debate here. everyone just nods their heads to one person claim and accepts what they say as absolute truth.

 

[BruceTheBatman]

"Musing Anakin was the strongest jedi"
That's obviously bullshit though, unless you want to imply Anakin is comparable to Yoda.

Well, considering he defeated Dooku who was "far from easily" inferior to Yoda, and that he is considerably superior to Kit Fisto feat wise who briefly contended with Sidious, it's hardly a stretch

 

[The_Everlasting]

Also, I can't help but notice how you guys are trying to disagree with High 4-C Mace after we disagree with using it to upgrade Dooku.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

There's nothing to suggest Mace is High 4-C besides WOG

You mean besides him being constantly stated to be second only to Yoda in power?

Forgetting the fact that Vader is sited as one of the most powerful Sith to have ever lived and Yet here we are.

 

[The_Everlasting]

That's very different. "One of the most powerful" is far more vague than "second only to X".

 

[Reppuzan]

@Shadow

Yet Vader was at Starkiller's mercy, Luke's mercy, and Sidious' mercy in the Legends canon.

Luke was utterly wrecked by Sidious' Force Lightning.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

I still believe Mace is Superior to Both Anakin,Dooku and likely Vader.

But there's no way that the Gap is as Large as High 4-C and High 6-A

 

[BruceTheBatman]

Also, I can't help but notice how you guys are trying to disagree with High 4-C Mace after we disagree with using it to upgrade Dooku.

I'm not disagreeing with that claim, I'm simply saying Mace/Talzin/Naga Sadow and a few others aren't the only ones with that tier in SW.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

@Repp Starkiller exploited Vader's weakness to Force Lightning

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Wanna make Mace "At least High 6-A, likely High 4-C" so everyone is happy?

 

[The_Everlasting]

Starkiller harmed Vader with far more than just Force Lightning and killed Vader with Lightsaber attacks in the Dark Side ending.

He didn't just solely go "lol Force Lightning".

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Both Galen Marek and Luke Skywalker beat Vader. They both got effortlessly destroyed by Palpatine. This would not have happened if they were only 25% weaker.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Wanna make Mace "At least High 6-A, likely High 4-C" so everyone is happy?

I'd rather not go with something like this.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

@Repp Starkiller exploited Vader's weakness to Force Lightning

You mean the lightning that he blocked for most the fight?

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

@Ever, TFU Novel Disagree's with you.

 

[Reppuzan]

On record, only Windu and Yoda have deflected Force Lightning from Sidious until the time of the New Jedi Order.

There's a reason why we place them so much higher than everyone else.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

@Ever, TFU Novel Disagree's with you.

The novel that was based off the game. The game is primary canon here.

 

[Js250476]

Also apparently a Jedi Master nearly killed Vader as well albeit when Vader was just starting out IIRC https://youtu.be/f5wlUz1T1vI

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

@TWW, no it wasn't, they were all created at the same time, its something I discussed before.

TFU was Multi Media project, not just a game

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

@Js, Different continuity

 

[The_Wright_Way]

@TWW, no it wasn't, they were all created at the same time, its something I discussed before.
TFU was Multi Media project, not just a game

Going by that logic Galen defeating Vader by dropping most the celling on him and throwing him through a window is just as valid as the novel saying he did thit with force lightning.

 

[TeenAngel101]

Seriously, this needs to stop.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Yeah, it is but The Novel actually Predates the game.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

and that's my biggest gripe with the Legends continuity, something I brought up before, there's no real main Continuity, people just cherrypick the stuff they like.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Yeah, it is but The Novel actually Predates the game.

And? Both would still be considered primary canon since it was made for multiple medi platforms.

 

[The_Everlasting]

The novelization of A New Hope predates the movie. Doesn't make it more canon.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

also, Starkiller being comparable or Slightly superior to Vader depending on the incarnation isn't a detriment to Vader's power but more a Showing of Starkiller's powers

 

[Js250476]

It kinda is when Starkiller is shown getting rekt by Sidious later

 

[The_Wright_Way]

also, Starkiller being comparable or Slightly superior to Vader depending on the incarnation isn't a detriment to Vader's power but more a Showing of Starkiller's powers

It is if Sidious effortlessly obliteratied him.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Getting Rekt lol

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Mace Windu deflects likely a casual Sidious lighting for a minute´┐¢ = should be High 4-C

Starkiller literally pushes Sidious back and takes constant damage from his lightning= getting rekt

 

[Js250476]

From what I remember Starkiller's final move against Sidious literally killed him and Sidious walks it off like it was nothing

 

[Reppuzan]

@Shadow

Correction, Windu deflected Force Lightning powerful enough to badly burn and disfigure Sidious' face. Context matters.

Starkiller ultimately dies from his encounter with Sidious. Windu died after getting his hands chopped off, breaking his concentration enough for Sidious to blast him out of a window and leave him in such crippling pain that he couldn't use Force Amplification.

Again, context matters.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Also, watch the Dark Side ending and see the obvious stomp.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Forgetting the fact that he beat Palpatine in a fight just prior to that.

 

[Js250476]

IIRC Sidious might have been holding back/messing with Starkiller but don't quote me on that

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

@Repp, actually no. according to the same novelization everyone seems to talk about, it also clearly states that the face that Sidious had before was merely a Mask.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Mace just merely melted the mask away and revealed Sidious true face