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Solar System level Darth Vader ?

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The Everlasting said:
@Js
Which, even then, was a fight Dooku ran away from. He's definitely not superior to Mace.
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Dooku has better things to do than fight to the death against someone he's bested but knows is in his league and could very well defeat him.
 
Windu moved so fast in his fight with Sidious that he appeared as blurs to Anakin. This is the same Anakin that overpowered and killed Dooku. So no, Dooku is not even close to Windu.
 
"Only Ben Kenobi and Luke Skywalker were any real challenge to Vader in the old EU."

Someone's missing Starkiller, who has the power to kill Vader, and was matched by Jedi Masters like Shaak Ti.

You greatly exaggerate how superior Vader is to a lot of characters.
 
Dooku has better things to do than fight to the death against someone he's bested but knows is in his league and could very well defeat him.

That is not at all what's implied in the fight.
 
Amlad22 said:
Windu moved so fast in his fight with Sidious that he appeared as blurs to Anakin. This is the same Anakin that overpowered and killed Dooku. So no, Dooku is not even close to Windu.
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Windu was heavily amped during that fight, due to his Vaapad form boosting his power by effectively feeding off of Sidious
 
Also wasn't there some Sith from the Old Republic era that p much everyone there scales to that Vader acknowledged was superior to him?
 
@Amlad, there are way more statements and feats to support Dooku not being that far behind Windu

Multiple statements and feats> a few vague statements

 
I have yet to see a single quote or scan of Dooku being superior to Mace outside of a like 2-page fight that Dooku ran away from.
 
How is Vaapad not a heavy Amp, its thee only feasible way that Windu was able to keep up with Sidious.
 
@Shadow

It's still heavily implied in the novelization that Sidious threw the fight in order to gain Anakin's sympathy. It's the same reason why Sidious had plenty of Force Lightning left over to blast Windu out the window and kill him.
 
It's better for Bruce to not make heavy edits without the approval of Admins.
 
Yes, PLEASE. It's been done to death a thousand times. And the same points keep getting brought up and shot down.
 
Maybe it should be something along the lines of "do not attempt to scale Vader to Sidious"
 
@Repp, I can understand that, then what reason is there for Mace to be High 4-C ? Because of word of god?. if anything Windu has a lot of feats that contradict this rating, besides the fact that WOG isn't exactly the best source, as we all know
 
I've heard Matt say Mace should be above Barakiss so that's probably why he's high 4-C besides Sidious
 
It's better to only scale Yoda to Sidious, as he was citied as both the most powerful Jedi of the era and fought Sidious on even ground with his own power.

Also, Yoda needs to be updated.
 
also what about the feat of Dooku battling Windu and Kenobi..are we just going to dismiss that?
 
Not only is the canonicity of that game dubious, but the writers of Clone Wars don't really take the power of the EU into consideration.

Besides, it's probably best not to scale Windu. Just Yoda.
 
I think there are reasons why the other profiles are not upgraded.
 
Aside from Vaapad being a heavy amp as the Novel makes clear, the following contradict this rating, among many other things

-Being pressured in a duel by Grievous

-Being bested by Dooku

-Musing Anakin was the strongest jedi

-Being pressured in a duel by Ventress and visibly making effort

-Being pressured by Sora Bulq

-Quinlan Vos giving him a decent fight
 
@Shadow don't know Matt said he was in the upgrade thread and I trust his judgement when it comes to Star Wars
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
There's nothing to suggest Mace is High 4-C besides WOG
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You mean besides him being constantly stated to be second only to Yoda in power?
 
"Musing Anakin was the strongest jedi"

That's obviously bullshit though, unless you want to imply Anakin is comparable to Yoda.
 
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