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Solar System level Darth Vader ?

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"ROTJ Luke beating Vader was PIS, the much more powerful DE version was later stated to be much weaker than him."

Completely false.
 
Mace in a pure lightsaber sparring match once out of millions of encounters.
 
@LordWhis, No DE Luke was stated to be only slightly below Sidious.

Also winning via Lightsaber Battle only and it not scaling is completely bull
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
@LordWhis, No DE Luke was stated to be only slightly below Sidious.

Also winning via Lightsaber Battle only and it not scaling is completely bull
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A slightly after AOTC Kenobi could match Windu in a light saber sparring match, should he be High 4-C too ?

Sidious outright stated that Luke could become as strong as Vader, ergo, he was nowhere near him at the time, at least pre training when he was stated to be much more powerful than ROTJ.
 
"Sidious outright stated that Luke could become as strong as Vader, ergo, he was nowhere near him at the time, at least pre training when he was stated to be much more powerful than ROTJ."

ROTJ Luke is repeatedly stated to be equal to Vader, DE Luke >> ROTJ Luke and he fought Sidious repeatedly. That definitely trumps one statement.
 
@Whis

It doesn't change the fact that Luke traded blows with Vader in lightsaber combat, which is heavily dependent on one's strength in the Force unless one has cybernetic enhancements like Grievous.
 
Reppuzan said:
@Whis

It doesn't change the fact that Luke traded blows with Vader in lightsaber combat, which is heavily dependent on one's strength in the Force unless one has cybernetic enhancements like Grievous.
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That statement was made about Dooku Vs Windu.
 
Reppuzan said:
@Shadow

Meaning that Starkiller was unable to actually do any serious damage to Sidious. Sidious was only stunned when his own power was turned back on him, that same power killed Starkiller but left Sidious unscathed.
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I've heard it being said that he achieved oneness which was why he was able to that.
 
@Lord

Which makes it all the more clear that he is not on Sidious' level, as even after achieving Oneness with the Force he wasn't able to completely defeat him.
 
I would also like to say that maul managed to ragdoll sidiois and damage him but we never see anyone considering him to be on sidious's level like people do with Galen.
 
Reppuzan said:
@Lord

Which makes it all the more clear that he is not on Sidious' level, as even after achieving Oneness with the Force he wasn't able to completely defeat him.
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Never said he was on Sid's level, he's fodder to him obviously.
 
But he'd be fodder for Prime Vader too.

Prime Vader >>> TFU 2 Vader > Starkiller > Galen >= TFU Vader.
 
That's not ragdolling.

Ragdolling implies that there was a stomp involved.
 
Um...I don't think Sidious ragdolling Luke is not the best example given that Luke, IIRC, did not know Tutaminas (and even if he did, I doubt he would have had the proficency to counter Sidious at that time) and had thrown away his lightsaber, which he could have used to absorb the lightning.

Back on topic, even if George Lucas states Vader is 80% of Sidious, nothing really backs up that level of power. Word of God doesn't mean anything if it's contradicted by the facts.

Also, comparing Vader to Dooku is not fair on a lot of levels and if needed, I could explain why.

As much as I want Vader to be higher, I just don't see it.
 
Reppuzan said:
That's not ragdolling.
Ragdolling implies that there was a stomp involved.
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I personally agree, but a lot of people in this thread have referred to a similiar showing by Galen as a ragdoll & I was just observing how nobody seems to wank poor maul despite the fact that his showing against sidious was just as good as Galen's.
 
People here are underestimating a 25 */* power difference, it is actually quite significant & definitely adequate to outclass someone.
 
Wait, isn't normal non canon Darth Vader listed as Multi Continent Level.

I think in this case it's a little too big of a gap for Vader to be Solar System Level, especially without really any feats for it, sorry.
 
If this topic is brought up frequently, feel free to create a discussion rule about it.
 
@Fankid

Literally every staff member knowledgeable on Star Wars disagrees with this. So yes, it should be closed.
 
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