Solar System level Darth Vader ?

[Reppuzan]

@Shadow

Thanks for the information, it still doesn't change the fact that Windu deflected Sidious' lighting (a feat that has only been replicated by Yoda and a dying Starkiller who later died from channeling the energy back at Sidious), meaning that my point still stands.

 

[The_Everlasting]

It's also stated in multiple sources that they're legit scars.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

also darkside ending is definetly not canon @ Ever

 

[The_Everlasting]

Whether it's canon or not is irrelevant. Dark Side ending Starkiller is just as powerful as Light Side and he got rekt by Sidious casually.

 

[Js250476]

Ever has stated before that Darkside Starkiller is no stronger then Lightside so the point still stands Edit: Ninjad

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Starkiller beating Sidious is still a thing, he did so literally before the whole lightning thing happened

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

@Ever there's no proof to suggets that they are

Lightside Ending Literally Beat Sidious and held his own for a brief time

Darkside Ending ,He gets crushed in a few seconds

 

[Js250476]

Isn't Starkiller the same in both tho?

 

[The_Everlasting]

Dark Side Starkiller is literally just Starkiller but he decided to kill Vader first. He's no stronger or weaker than the Light Side one.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Their Powers obviously are not the same... it doesn't take much to literally see that

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Both endings give completely different stats for the character, whether you like it or not.

you can cant pick both.

and the lightside is obviously the right one

Because it is literally the Canon One.

 

[The_Everlasting]

They're not different in any way though. And they don't give different stats.

It doesn't matter if it's non-canon. It still shows that Starkiller is grossly below Sidious.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

they do give different stats, by your logic I can counter the same stomp argument your making for the Darkside ending by simply stating "Well look in the light side ending Starkiller put a really good fight, better than Mace did"

 

[The_Everlasting]

After the boss fight, Sidious gets back up like nothing happened and Starkiller dies from an attack that Sidious withstood without a scratch.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Im not saying Starkiller=Sidious by any means

Its obvious that Sidious was being Casual with Starkiller

But that would either mean Casual Sidious is High 6-A which would Scale to Windu, or that Starkiller and the rest are not that far below the likes of Mace Windu

 

[The_Everlasting]

Or, or, Starkiller is just not on Sidious' level.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

>Ragdolling Sidious, and doing damage

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Same thing Could be Said for Mace

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Hasn't someone made a rule against this topic by now?

And if not, then...why?

 

[Js250476]

>But an attack that killed him did nothing to Sidious

 

[Dark649]

Everlasting is right.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Ragdolling,taking an onslaught of Force lightning> dueling Sidious and deflecting his lightning for a short amount of time

 

[Js250476]

@King it's Beyond me bro

 

[The_Everlasting]

>Ragdolling Sidious, and doing damage

He didn't, Sidious got up from the "ragdolling" like nothing happened.

 

[Dark649]

Stop boku, Starkiller is not getting upgraded.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Shadow

Given that Sidious was goading Starkiller to try to kill him, it's highly likely that Sidious was screwing with Starkiller to gauge his reaction and try to tempt him to the Dark Side.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Dark if you're gonna comment actually debate and don't just go "stop it".

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

What makes Mace's Feat more impressive Galen's, Absolutely nothing

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

@JS, Obviously Sidious is superior to Starkiller

 

[Js250476]

Then he doesn't scale period

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

@Repp i literally stated that earlier its likely Sidious was being Casual with Starkiller, meaning not serious.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Shadow

Meaning that Starkiller was unable to actually do any serious damage to Sidious. Sidious was only stunned when his own power was turned back on him, that same power killed Starkiller but left Sidious unscathed.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Neither Darth Vader/Starkiller Should be 4-B by any means, But they should be comparable to Mace

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Even if we said That Vader and Starkiller were still slightly weaker than Mace, the gap still wouldtbe High 4-C to High 6-A

 

[Reppuzan]

@Shadow

You're still missing the part where Luke beat Vader yet was unable to do jack against Sidious' lightning.

This happened in all canons and versions of the event.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

I'm not stating that they are on Sidious's level ... read what I said above

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

I'm stating that they relatively comparable to Mace Windu.

So either their in the same Tier 4ish range as him or Mace is likely in Tier 6 range along with the rest.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Shadow

That still doesn't make sense since

1) Windu was able to reflect Sidious' Lightning back at him without harm to himself.

2) Luke and Vader both failed to do this.

3) Starkiller only did this at the cost of his own life and failed to do any lasting damage to Sidious.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

1): an extremely casual Sidious, and was only able to do so via Vaapad

2) RIP No Vaapad For Luke/ Darth Vader Literally cant.

3) Did the same thing Mace did with out the help of Vaapad or a Lightsaber.

 

[LordWhis]

3 things- 1 Galen beat a vastly pre-prime vader, a pre-anh Vader later stomped the much more powerful starkiller. 2 ROTJ Luke beating Vader was PIS, the much more powerful DE version was later stated to be much weaker than him. 3 Dooku beat (a probably pre-prime) in a pure loghtsaber