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Nobody is Tier 0 anymore.
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So, The One Above All isn't Tier 0 anymore
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Not based on how the poll is going
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Unless there is a sudden swing of votes, we're keeping Tier 0, and merging High 1-A into it with the definition being tweaked to what was proposed on the other thread.Matthew Schroeder said:
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I mean, is this PIS?
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HOLY SHIT? TOAA NO LONGER 0?
I expected this to happen to Writer before him, and I prefer Writer. Is this just PIS like @Generic said? This is pretty big.
I expected this to happen to Writer before him, and I prefer Writer. Is this just PIS like @Generic said? This is pretty big.
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Tier 0 is winning?Chartate101 said:
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Isn't the editorial staff shown in the first pages representing TOAA? Couldn't this mean that TOAA is controlling everything behind the scenes and that this simply was not revealed yet? I think it is still premature to downgrade TOOA.
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Marvel needs to change his name then. The One Almost Above All (TOAAA).
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That's ******* tough^ RIP
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I really, really want to call this PIS but it looks like its going to be a major plotpoint that will alter the cosmology and cause power levels to wank and downplay out of control.
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PIS for an "omnipotent"?Dargoo Faust said:
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Starlin does this all the damn time, he always wants Thanos to become the strongest ever, when Living Tribunal was the top dog for the entirety of Marvel he had Thanos absorb him with the HOTU.
I would honestly place the whole of the statements by Brevoort and the interpretation of writers used from the start, with Ben Grimm being revived and the other uses that were given to TOAA, as the actual interpretation for TOAA. Even then, it was stablished many times that the graphic novels made by Starlin had no influence on the standard Marvel universes... but then they had the Living Tribunal be replaced by the new one. It's a mess and honestly it makes me dislike Starlin a lot more, no one can be stronger than Thanos apparently.
I would honestly place the whole of the statements by Brevoort and the interpretation of writers used from the start, with Ben Grimm being revived and the other uses that were given to TOAA, as the actual interpretation for TOAA. Even then, it was stablished many times that the graphic novels made by Starlin had no influence on the standard Marvel universes... but then they had the Living Tribunal be replaced by the new one. It's a mess and honestly it makes me dislike Starlin a lot more, no one can be stronger than Thanos apparently.
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I was about to say it does seem like the new comics and the Thanks spinoffs are directly connected now due to the new LT connecting to Ultimates, then sharing the same canon as this one.... It's a mess to say the least.
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Cosmic comic stories have gotten really state, huh. I legitimately can't tell the difference between half the Marvel ones at this point because they all sound the same.
I hope Tier 0 is just merged with 1-A, if it hasn't been already. When something is Tier 0, then it's discussed to death with every little thing used as evidence to debunk it.
I hope Tier 0 is just merged with 1-A, if it hasn't been already. When something is Tier 0, then it's discussed to death with every little thing used as evidence to debunk it.
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Tier 0 is getting redefined as High Outerversal level and getting merged with High 1-A, although we're still calling it Tier 0 from the looks of it.
Tier 0 is getting redefined as High Outerversal level and getting merged with High 1-A, although we're still calling it Tier 0 from the looks of it.
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That's fair, I guess.
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Honestly, toaa feats now are honestly not much better than a normal 1-A like gan. He should really just be 1-A.
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Thanos replaced toaa as tier 0
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Thanos solos
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They already predicted it
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@Jason Considering he stated he tries to stop Thanos and couldn't .... That directly contradicts what's already been stated.
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Plot Twist: it's actually an Avatar of TOAA that's the real TOAA made for fun
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I can see why below Tier 0 One Above All is so hard to accept. That literally contradicts the very concept of the character
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And Al Ewing own words. for comics to interview and statementsShivansh Garg said:
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It could be the case... And it does make sense that people will refuse it due to former portrayals. But based solely on this comic it seems likely he'll be downgraded.... Unless something directly contradicts it.
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ikr this basically contradicts the concept of the one above all.Keeweed said:
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Inb4 we change his name to "The One Nearly Above All"
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If it was non canon it could be brushed off... But if it's canon it cannot simply be brushed aside. We need to check to see if this is consistent after the fact.... That's it. I'm not saying we downgrade him now , I'm saying be cautious and attentive to see how consistent this becomes afterwards.
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Yeah. Retcons aren't exactly new.
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This could be PIS
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Not really. It's what a retcon specifically is. They give an excuse to why canon doesn't hold up anymore, and why his only "omnipotent" in specific circumstances.
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But also to be fair we assumed before that TOAA was 1-A Post-Retcon at one point before for far lesser reasons than this.
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