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Intro:
What’s good people. This thread will be going over the reasons on why the high tiers of the Snyderverse( so no theatrical feats matter here)should at least be in tier 6.
The characters were removed from tier 6 cuz of new creation rules so Zeus’s island creation feat didn't count.
Arguement:
Firstly I will be going over the justifications for the tier 7 calcs
1. the world engine
The problem with this being tier 6 via the calc that was provided for it is that this calc does not even calculate the beam itself but rather one of the shockwaves it makes.
This is an incredible lowball because it doesn’t acknowledge the actual beam. It should also be known that the beam was going to terraform Earth over a period of time which gave the mother boxes a high 6A rating.
I know what you’re thinking why does it matter if Superman didn’t over power and tank the beam long enough for it to terraform earth?
It matters because it would mean that the world engine would have to be able to withstand the total force that the beam created till it had terraformed earth.
There were 2 world engines doing this feat so it would be divided in 2 so gage the attack potency.
Should also be noted that it was accepted that Superman was weakened during this feat and he gets stronger naturally anyway from absorbing solar energy.
2. Atlantis destruction calc.
I’m not to sure if this even counts as snyderverse but iirc James Wan once said that aquaman was more inline with Zack’s version than the theatrical so I’ll be adteessing
The problem is, the calc only shows the destruction of the visible Atlantis that we see to get a power of 7A iirc.
That is a horrendous lowball because in the aquaman guide book, Atlantis is described as a continent. Without calcs that should by default give it at least a tier 6 rating if we interpret the statement as it is.
it should also be noted that it was a mistake so even if they calced the full force it wouldn’t be the full power of the trident and there could be room for improvement.
Now let’s go over the calcs that put them at tier 6.
1. Doomsday destroys strikers island.
calc: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan/Doomsday_nuke
Using the earths curvature to scale the blast, doomsday powering up after he tanked a nuke was calced to Small Country level or low 6B.
Curvature scaling makes more sense as the blast would continue to grow later on.
Should be noted that this also shouldn’t be the full extent of his power as he literally gets another power up later in the story which wonderwoman and Superman fought.
This calc was also accepted as it was literally on his profile but I guess it was deemed an outlier.
2. Superman shifts tectonic plates to prevent devastating earthquake.
This was calced to Country level or normal 6B based on the fact that they used “devastating” to describe the earthquake so it’s not some minor shake.
Calc:
vsbattles.fandom.com
I am not sure if this calc has been accepted tho.
3. The doomsday cracks kryptons moon.
unfortunately I cannot find the calc but It’s high 6A according to key issues on YouTube. U can find that on their Darkseid vs Thanos video if u want.
for now source: Trust me bro
It’s also stated that a younger steppenwolf fought that doomsday when ever Zack Snyder talks about Steppen wolfs power he always mentions that doomsday.
Wonder Woman also says that Steppenwolf is stronger than anyone she has ever seen with the exception of Superman meaning Zod, weakened Ares and Doomsday are weaker than Steppenwolf.
For the people asking “why does Superman do better against Steppenwolf then?”
1. Jay Oliva(the person who screen wrote the fight) says superman was unhinged in the fight against steppenwolf.
source:https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies...ases-superman-unhinged-snyder-cut/#gallery-14
2. he sunbathed in the black suit which should attract more sun light since it’s black.
3. Mother boxes potentially amping him.
4. he was extremely depressed and only came back for lois(lol)
4. Zeus destroys the Mother box unity.
Zeus splitting the motherboxes shouldn’t be an outlier because that’s his only feat in the snyderverse and even if we count wonderwoman the only L he took was stalemating Ares.
This wouldn’t even be an L seeing as Ares did better against Uxas than Zeus did.
Him creating the Amazon island(can’t spell the name ngl) shouldn’t be his cap as it was stated to be on his dying breath.
5. Superman destroys the motherbox
yes u red correctly, in the snyderverse Superman didn’t just split the mother boxes, he destroyed them (according to desaad who witnessed him do it) so his feat should be>Zeus’s feat
Desaad should be one of the most reliable sources here.
Should also be noted that the motherboxes can be scaled way higher if it’s unity explosion was calced.
rewatching the scene were cyborg saw the explosion in the future it was shown to be able to vaporize the surface of earth in seconds but until that gets calced let’s leave it at.
In conclusion, having the high tiers in the snyderverse and tier 7 is an absurd lowball and ignores a lot of lord and feats from the characters.
As for the Corrections, their 2 ways we can go about this. We don’t bother calculating the tridents feats since we aren’t shown the full Atlantis and we just put “likely Continental”
Or we use Doomsday’s Small country level feat.
In my opinion, we should use likely continental seeing as characters like Wonder Woman, aquaman and bvs Superman don’t get one shotted by multi continental beings like steppenwolf or Post death superman.
Should also be noted that it was accepted that the trident did not amp aquaman’s a power by all that seeing as he needed to take orm out of his element(surface) and even then he still struggled a little bit to beat Orm and underwater they seemed equal in power so characters like Wonder Woman would scale to the trident.
Thank you for listening till the end, Ik this was a long thread. If u need proof of some of these feats I will try and look for them below.
Edit: should be noted that darkseids staff/spear could tank a bolt of lightning from zeus(the exact same attack that destroyed the unity) and ares broke that spear/staff. More supporting evidence that Pre evil Ares>Zeus and more consistent showings of people above>motherboxes.
What’s good people. This thread will be going over the reasons on why the high tiers of the Snyderverse( so no theatrical feats matter here)should at least be in tier 6.
The characters were removed from tier 6 cuz of new creation rules so Zeus’s island creation feat didn't count.
Arguement:
Firstly I will be going over the justifications for the tier 7 calcs
1. the world engine
The problem with this being tier 6 via the calc that was provided for it is that this calc does not even calculate the beam itself but rather one of the shockwaves it makes.
This is an incredible lowball because it doesn’t acknowledge the actual beam. It should also be known that the beam was going to terraform Earth over a period of time which gave the mother boxes a high 6A rating.
I know what you’re thinking why does it matter if Superman didn’t over power and tank the beam long enough for it to terraform earth?
It matters because it would mean that the world engine would have to be able to withstand the total force that the beam created till it had terraformed earth.
There were 2 world engines doing this feat so it would be divided in 2 so gage the attack potency.
Should also be noted that it was accepted that Superman was weakened during this feat and he gets stronger naturally anyway from absorbing solar energy.
2. Atlantis destruction calc.
I’m not to sure if this even counts as snyderverse but iirc James Wan once said that aquaman was more inline with Zack’s version than the theatrical so I’ll be adteessing
The problem is, the calc only shows the destruction of the visible Atlantis that we see to get a power of 7A iirc.
That is a horrendous lowball because in the aquaman guide book, Atlantis is described as a continent. Without calcs that should by default give it at least a tier 6 rating if we interpret the statement as it is.
it should also be noted that it was a mistake so even if they calced the full force it wouldn’t be the full power of the trident and there could be room for improvement.
Now let’s go over the calcs that put them at tier 6.
1. Doomsday destroys strikers island.
calc: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan/Doomsday_nuke
Using the earths curvature to scale the blast, doomsday powering up after he tanked a nuke was calced to Small Country level or low 6B.
Curvature scaling makes more sense as the blast would continue to grow later on.
Should be noted that this also shouldn’t be the full extent of his power as he literally gets another power up later in the story which wonderwoman and Superman fought.
This calc was also accepted as it was literally on his profile but I guess it was deemed an outlier.
2. Superman shifts tectonic plates to prevent devastating earthquake.
This was calced to Country level or normal 6B based on the fact that they used “devastating” to describe the earthquake so it’s not some minor shake.
Calc:
DCEU Superman Shifts Tectonic Plate
vsbattles.fandom.com
I am not sure if this calc has been accepted tho.
3. The doomsday cracks kryptons moon.
unfortunately I cannot find the calc but It’s high 6A according to key issues on YouTube. U can find that on their Darkseid vs Thanos video if u want.
for now source: Trust me bro
It’s also stated that a younger steppenwolf fought that doomsday when ever Zack Snyder talks about Steppen wolfs power he always mentions that doomsday.
Wonder Woman also says that Steppenwolf is stronger than anyone she has ever seen with the exception of Superman meaning Zod, weakened Ares and Doomsday are weaker than Steppenwolf.
For the people asking “why does Superman do better against Steppenwolf then?”
1. Jay Oliva(the person who screen wrote the fight) says superman was unhinged in the fight against steppenwolf.
source:https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies...ases-superman-unhinged-snyder-cut/#gallery-14
2. he sunbathed in the black suit which should attract more sun light since it’s black.
3. Mother boxes potentially amping him.
4. he was extremely depressed and only came back for lois(lol)
4. Zeus destroys the Mother box unity.
Zeus splitting the motherboxes shouldn’t be an outlier because that’s his only feat in the snyderverse and even if we count wonderwoman the only L he took was stalemating Ares.
This wouldn’t even be an L seeing as Ares did better against Uxas than Zeus did.
Him creating the Amazon island(can’t spell the name ngl) shouldn’t be his cap as it was stated to be on his dying breath.
5. Superman destroys the motherbox
yes u red correctly, in the snyderverse Superman didn’t just split the mother boxes, he destroyed them (according to desaad who witnessed him do it) so his feat should be>Zeus’s feat
Desaad should be one of the most reliable sources here.
Should also be noted that the motherboxes can be scaled way higher if it’s unity explosion was calced.
rewatching the scene were cyborg saw the explosion in the future it was shown to be able to vaporize the surface of earth in seconds but until that gets calced let’s leave it at.
In conclusion, having the high tiers in the snyderverse and tier 7 is an absurd lowball and ignores a lot of lord and feats from the characters.
As for the Corrections, their 2 ways we can go about this. We don’t bother calculating the tridents feats since we aren’t shown the full Atlantis and we just put “likely Continental”
Or we use Doomsday’s Small country level feat.
In my opinion, we should use likely continental seeing as characters like Wonder Woman, aquaman and bvs Superman don’t get one shotted by multi continental beings like steppenwolf or Post death superman.
Should also be noted that it was accepted that the trident did not amp aquaman’s a power by all that seeing as he needed to take orm out of his element(surface) and even then he still struggled a little bit to beat Orm and underwater they seemed equal in power so characters like Wonder Woman would scale to the trident.
Thank you for listening till the end, Ik this was a long thread. If u need proof of some of these feats I will try and look for them below.
Edit: should be noted that darkseids staff/spear could tank a bolt of lightning from zeus(the exact same attack that destroyed the unity) and ares broke that spear/staff. More supporting evidence that Pre evil Ares>Zeus and more consistent showings of people above>motherboxes.
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