Smurf Time and history manipulation

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Technically speaking, shouldn't time manipulation and similar hax be smurf when it work with extra Time dimensions instead of higher space dimensions?

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

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[Oliver_de_jesus]

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[Oliver_de_jesus]

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[Imaginym]

Bumping for interest.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

nuke bump

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Not really.
A 2D space can have time. And it would be 2spatial + temporal. With temporal being each point in time which would be infinite still.
So if you like dream a 2 spatial dimension its time for you is also merely a dream and wouldn't really encompass you as a 3D being (just an example)

Being able to stop 1 point in time or go back to a point in time and such is only affecting one of infinite. So at best it would only encompass the entire spatial structure and not the temporal structures that makes it smurf

Slowing time is just decreasing the movement from one point to another but there is like infinite so even if you move from an area of that line to another it would still be travelling infinite point in time.

Reversing time is just time travel with less steps

 

[Vietthai96]

Depend on context, cosmology and feat. However by default time hax is automatically 4D unless extreme evidences point toward time on small scale thus leading to 3D time hax, or even 2D time hax

Reversing time is just time travel with less steps

Wrong actually. Time travel mean you travel to a point in time, however the entire line of time (timeline) still intact, past, future, present still there. Reverse time is minor Causality Manip, or Causal Manip with extra step, because when you reverse time, you deny the existence of the "present", revert the reality back to the "past", to the point before what belong to the present will come, effectively deny the present and even the future itself. Why, because time is cause and effect, the past is the cause and the present and the future is the effect of what happened in the past. History is Causality itself

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Wrong actually. Time travel mean you travel to a point in time, however the entire line of time (timeline) still intact, past, future, present still there.

And how does that even prove it as wrong. Doing so with causality is the same the line still exist. The act of simply existing in the past would cause alteration in the effect(present and future( because of butterfly effect

 

[Planck69]

Technically speaking, shouldn't time manipulation and similar hax be smurf when it work with extra Time dimensions instead of higher space dimensions?

I mean, the basic premise of smurf hax is that it significantly affects a large higher dimensional/higher order structure than the user. Deleting all time across a space-time continuum would be smurf hax. Travelling through time across multiple temporal dimensions is no more smurf hax than being able to fly in 5 spatial axes. So it comes down to the feat itself.

 

[Vietthai96]

And how does that even prove it as wrong. Doing so with causality is the same the line still exist. The act of simply existing in the past would cause alteration in the effect(present and future( because of butterfly effect

You kinda still can't visualling it out, time travel create time paradox, sure. However the line of time still exist from the past to the future, the future changed due to time paradox. Time reverse is different, you kinda roll the time back, make the future doesn't exist anymore due to you rolling back the line of time

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Its not the future anymore since for you to reverse it has to transpired first. It basically achieves the same thing.
Time reverse is just more conventional for moments that has happened recently.

 

[Vietthai96]

Its not the future anymore since for you to reverse it has to transpired first. It basically achieves the same thing

It is not the same thing, like i said before. With Time travel, future still exist, i could change into something different depend on what you do, however the "future" as a whole still exist. With time reversal, future is non-existent, you erase it due to time being rolling backward, there is no future, thing get restarted

Time reverse is just more conventional for moments that has happened recently.

Another thing that you wrong, there is character that can reverse time far longer than just "recently"

Also some verses like dragon ball use branching timeline thus time paradox is moot. Time reverse in that kind of verse doesn't cause the timeline to branching.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Another thing that you wrong, there is character that can reverse time far longer than just "recently"

I never said its only for recently.i just said more conventional for events that happened recently. You're almost strawmanning here.

Also some verses like dragon ball use branching timeline thus time paradox is moot. Time reverse in that kind of verse doesn't cause the timeline to branching.

This is not about dragonball because not all verse follows timeline branching. And i follow the more which there is strictly only one linear timeline without a branch.

Different cosmology structure different feats. Closed

 

[Vietthai96]

Oke, sorry

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Oke, sorry

No worries.sry as well since we were under different structure assumption.