SMT vs The Epilogue

[NatzuX]

Smt verse (All Characters)

vs

Shallow Vernal (Web novel)

Ban Regen High-Godly & All Transduality & All Nep

Baseline & Speed Equal

1-1 Stop at Who?

 

[NatzuX]

so interesting

 

[Noneless21]

No... just.. no...

 

[NatzuX]

No... just.. no...

you think, who win?

 

[Noneless21]

Well first of all, this supposed to be in F&G threads

Second of all, Immo type 8 renders any attempt of killing Shiro since she can come back from her own Epilogue erasure plus AE type 1 plot based will make her dummy hard to affect but I'm pretty sure among those hundreds of SMT chars, there will be Plot manip users and have immo type 8 negation

Third of all, why

 

[mastrad1234]

Look good

 

[NatzuX]

Well first of all, this supposed to be in F&G threads

Second of all, Immo type 8 renders any attempt of killing Shiro since she can come back from her own Epilogue erasure plus AE type 1 plot based will make her dummy hard to affect but I'm pretty sure among those hundreds of SMT chars, there will be Plot manip users and have immo type 8 negation

Third of all, why

1. what f&g

2. any smt chars had plot mani? really?

 

[NatzuX]

I remembered no one in the smt verse had a plot manipulation.

 

[mastrad1234]

1. what f&g

2. any smt chars had plot mani? really?

Inconclusive cuz idk

 

[NatzuX]

Inconclusive cuz idk

why bro?

 

[Noneless21]

1. what f&g

2. any smt chars had plot mani? really?

1. Fun and games

I dunno, have you seen those cognitive physiology?

 

[mastrad1234]

1. Fun and games

I dunno, have you seen those cognitive physiology?

 

[Noneless21]

It's this one

Understanding (Megami Tensei)

The phenomenon of Understanding, also referred to as Observation or Cognition, refers to the a special ability inherent to the human race in Megami Tensei, which allows the masses to influence, shape and command reality itself based on their collective thoughts and beliefs, controlling the...

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Cognitive Physiology

Cognitive Physiology refers to the particular set of characteristics displayed by the main enemies, and allies, of the Megami Tensei franchise. In spite of being dubbed a number of different titles over the series, such as Demons, Shadows & Personas, and even Mirages, all of them ultimately...

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[Lukewoesal007]

How many layers does The Epilogue extend above Baseline 1-A, if at all?

 

[Noneless21]

How many layers does The Epilogue extend above Baseline 1-A, if at all?

She's baseline, but the OP has weird rules so idk

sad to see her here ngl

 

[NatzuX]

1. Fun and games

I dunno, have you seen those cognitive physiology?

1. why? this is battle.

2.I've seen it but it doesn't have plot mani.

 

[NatzuX]

How many layers does The Epilogue extend above Baseline 1-A, if at all?

I adjusted it to have equal baseline

 

[Noneless21]

1. why? this is battle.

2.I've seen it but it doesn't have plot mani.

Because vs thread is for vs thread that can be added to the profiles, this, on the other hands has rule additions like no NEP, TD, or high godly so it's not legit

I dunno, i feel like they have it, I'm not expert in SMT

regardless, she stomp if nobody has sufficient plot manip and resistance negation resistance or SMT peeps stomp if they can negate her immo type 8 or make it a moot by nuking everything at once (including them), sufficient plot manip resistance and plot manip itself

 

[Lukewoesal007]

I adjusted it to have equal baseline

Megami Tensei doesn't have any plot manipulation (yet). The Epilogue stomps.

 

[NatzuX]

Because vs thread is for vs thread that can be added to the profiles, this, on the other hands has rule additions like no NEP, TD, or high godly so it's not legit

I dunno, i feel like they have it, I'm not expert in SMT

regardless, she stomp if nobody has sufficient plot manip and resistance negation resistance or SMT peeps stomp if they can negate her immo type 8 or make it a moot by nuking everything at once (including them), sufficient plot manip resistance and plot manip itself

oh I'm sry

I dunno about it was not legit

 

[NatzuX]

I thought should be close it?

 

[Lukewoesal007]

You can't impose these types of restrictions in normal versus threads. I also don't think you can put an entire verse against one character outside of F&G.

 

[Noneless21]

I thought should be close it?

You can't close the thread, only admins and thread mods can close it

 

[NatzuX]

You can't close the thread, only admins and thread mods can close it

I know.

I waiting them

 

[NatzuX]

You can't impose these types of restrictions in normal versus threads. I also don't think you can put an entire verse against one character outside of F&G.

ok thanks. I will remember and never do it again.

So what can be adjusting?

 

[Reploidnoridomix]

Because vs thread is for vs thread that can be added to the profiles, this, on the other hands has rule additions like no NEP, TD, or high godly so it's not legit

I dunno, i feel like they have it, I'm not expert in SMT

regardless, she stomp if nobody has sufficient plot manip and resistance negation resistance or SMT peeps stomp if they can negate her immo type 8 or make it a moot by nuking everything at once (including them), sufficient plot manip resistance and plot manip itself

no smt stomp since they have more layer into 1-A

 

[Reploidnoridomix]

also according to this thread,smt char are in top 3 of tier 1-A while shallow doesn't have any place in that thread,so yeah smt stronger

https://vsbattles.com/threads/top-5-strongest-non-smurfs-for-every-tier-continued.128920/

 

[Lukewoesal007]

no smt stomp since they have more layer into 1-A

also according to this thread,smt char are in top 3 of tier 1-A while shallow doesn't have any place in that thread,so yeah smt stronger

https://vsbattles.com/threads/top-5-strongest-non-smurfs-for-every-tier-continued.128920/

Normally that'd be true, but OP equalized both to Baseline 1-A.

 

[Reploidnoridomix]

bruh,doesn't notice that,well if both baseline then yeah shallow doom smt verse since they don't have plot

 

[Everything12]

If it isn't an individual with a profile versus another individual with a profile with no non-canon restrictions placed on them, then the thread goes into Fun & Games.

No banning abilities, no reducing stats, no one character/power against an entire verse.

 

[Reploidnoridomix]

so since it in fun and games,smt char win cuz of have more selling

 

[Livinmeme]

so since it in fun and games,smt char win cuz of have more selling

Doesn't persona literally carry megami tensei selling in his back?

 

[Everything12]

Doesn't persona literally carry megami tensei selling in his back?

Nope. It's the classic, novel talks about cosmology concepts of dimensions and stuff that isn't touched upon much anywhere else. Persona simply piggyback it's collective unconscious scaling from SMT's collective unconscious being beyond those dimensions.

 

[Lukewoesal007]

Doesn't persona literally carry megami tensei selling in his back?

Nope. It's the classic, novel talks about cosmology concepts of dimensions and stuff that isn't touched upon much anywhere else. Persona simply piggyback it's collective unconscious scaling from SMT's collective unconscious being beyond those dimensions.

I think Livinmeme was referring to the sales of Megami Tensei media. In which case, they'd be correct.

And going by your logic, Shin Megami Tensei "piggybacks" off of Quantum Devil Saga just as much as Persona does. QDS only describes "Nirvana" as being beyond the concept of dimensions. We just equate the Kadath Mandala, Atziluth, and Nirvana as the same realm due to how they're identically described.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

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