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First battle thread on the wiki.battle between two 1A

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PainKiller07 said:
Still no 1A layered but whatever with that outdated nep and transdual *****


Shiro would just stomp Faa since the latter's nep is like Alovenus which isn't nearly enough to prevent plot manip.
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I'm not going with layered 1-a i just say why other think so

I know maybe after new td crt i make crt for new nep pages

Ok still want to see this
 
Should someone close it since this match ends as incon in worst way or complete stomp in other?
 
Forgot Alovenus even got that NEP, though yeah probably wouldn't grant NEP on a narrative level, unless you count it on the level of the settings
 
Ultra_instinct_issei said:
Anyone interested in putting this thread in spacebattles? i wanna see their reaction to 1-A shiki
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They have different tiering system and requirements for tiers so don't see how this gonna be good match

Maybe at this point use nasuverse csap wiki profiles where even gilgamesh outer?
 
Noneless21 said:
I reckon they denied Shiki being 1-A? then what tier do they give her then?
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as ubdon said, not even tier 1. Even in comicvine, tier 1 nasu was once accepted....then it was promptly yeeted. And ever since chakravartin made his ever updating blog post there has almost been no fate battles in comicvine. Seriously, that dude is still researching nasuverse .
 
Noneless21 said:
I reckon they denied Shiki being 1-A? then what tier do they give her then?
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To elaborate a bit further.
Recently, i debated paul about the blog chakravartin made. After reviewing the thing a bit, we concluded that some of his sources were questionable, some of his anti feats where outlinears/ PIS, some where just plain nasu sucking at power scaling, some where inconsistent, etc. For example, the part where amarterasu was stated to have energy on par with the sun which has a energy / power level of 300,000,000. However that was really inconsistent, since going by that parameter regular servant would be large planet level, etc. In other words, by going by our standards, we can ignore some lesser statements as pis/ inconsistent and move on.
However, in their standards, they are not going to accept an answer like "Outlinear" "inconsistent" . THAT kinda puts nasuverse really low there. Hope that clears it up a bit.
 
Ultra_instinct_issei said:
To elaborate a bit further.
Recently, i debated paul about the blog chakravartin made. After reviewing the thing a bit, we concluded that some of his sources were questionable, some of his anti feats where outlinears/ PIS, some where just plain nasu sucking at power scaling, some where inconsistent, etc. For example, the part where amarterasu was stated to have energy on par with the sun which has a energy / power level of 300,000,000. However that was really inconsistent, since going by that parameter regular servant would be large planet level, etc. In other words, by going by our standards, we can ignore some lesser statements as pis/ inconsistent and move on.
However, in their standards, they are not going to accept an answer like "Outlinear" "inconsistent" . THAT kinda puts nasuverse really low there. Hope that clears it up a bit.
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Huh, alright......

Was gonna say Nasu's usage in "flowery language" is high but i guess there's other reasons for it
 
Ultra_instinct_issei said:
To elaborate a bit further.
Recently, i debated paul about the blog chakravartin made. After reviewing the thing a bit, we concluded that some of his sources were questionable, some of his anti feats where outlinears/ PIS, some where just plain nasu sucking at power scaling, some where inconsistent, etc. For example, the part where amarterasu was stated to have energy on par with the sun which has a energy / power level of 300,000,000. However that was really inconsistent, since going by that parameter regular servant would be large planet level, etc. In other words, by going by our standards, we can ignore some lesser statements as pis/ inconsistent and move on.
However, in their standards, they are not going to accept an answer like "Outlinear" "inconsistent" . THAT kinda puts nasuverse really low there. Hope that clears it up a bit.
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I mean even without R>f and other debatable stuff i still see nasu at tier 1 but hey every opinion important and etc.


Also from what i saw that's how all nasu debates goes no matter where it is
 
Ultra_instinct_issei said:
as ubdon said, not even tier 1. Even in comicvine, tier 1 nasu was once accepted....then it was promptly yeeted. And ever since chakravartin made his ever updating blog post there has almost been no fate battles in comicvine. Seriously, that dude is still researching nasuverse .
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nasu research never ends
 
PainKiller07 said:
It has transdual over 1Cs which gives her baseline 1A which means no transdualism on 1A scope
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Sorry to butt in since the thread has pretty much come to a conclusion that this is likely A Shiki win or Incon

but this statement doesn't really make sense "Which gives her Baseline 1-A" "no transdualism on a 1-A scope"??? She's not 1-A cause she has Transduality I don't think I've ever seen a Tier given for that reason.

She has Transduality on a 1-A scale because she's the root a 1-A Location/Entity whichever one you wanna go with. And said 1-A Location/entity possesses Transdual properties so I'm not sure how she doesn't possess 1-A Transduality that would be the equivalent of saying The Presence doesn't have Transduality on a 1-A scope because he's transdual in relation to 1-C Charchters. Doesn't make sense and I don't think thats how that works

Well it looks like Shiki's Transduality is gonna get upgraded and revised so it doesn't really matter anyways
 
By the way, shouldn't the Lovecraftian Gods in the Nasuverse get a profile already? They are already confirmed to be 1-A beings in FGO. I found some interesting scaling from a guy on quora.
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Basically, the six doors represent all possible dimensions making it 1-B. Meanwhile, beyond the six doors is the “Ultimate gate.” This makes the ultimate gate, Low 1-A or 1-A idk. And the Outer Gods exist beyond the ultimate gate and are even restricted there yet can still tie every single possible dimension in the verse with their restricted power making them 1-A+.

I also noticed that the type-moon wiki already mentioned them
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Which is funny because almost nobody remembers the Outer gods.

Idk if this scaling is correct or not but these outer gods should have profiles even if they have very few abilities. At least we can confirm their "beyond dimensional existence", "madness manipulation", etc.
 
Thatsonme said:
By the way, shouldn't the Lovecraftian Gods in the Nasuverse get a profile already? They are already confirmed to be 1-A beings in FGO. I found some interesting scaling from a guy on quora.
main-qimg-8d2de264268599a705691c87f3df71f6-lq

Basically, the six doors represent all possible dimensions making it 1-B. Meanwhile, beyond the six doors is the “Ultimate gate.” This makes the ultimate gate, Low 1-A or 1-A idk. And the Outer Gods exist beyond the ultimate gate and are even restricted there yet can still tie every single possible dimension in the verse with their restricted power making them 1-A+.

I also noticed that the type-moon wiki already mentioned them
main-qimg-584366d6fddd9ff0d25d86d3d2d02e4a-pjlq

Which is funny because almost nobody remembers the Outer gods.

Idk if this scaling is correct or not but these outer gods should have profiles even if they have very few abilities. At least we can confirm their "beyond dimensional existence", "madness manipulation", etc.
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You know this is not the place to discuss this right? Go to the Nasuverse discussion thread and post this there
 
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