First battle thread on the wiki.battle between two 1A

[Noneless21]

Okay, I guess

By the way, are there any FAA vs. Vernal plans here?

They pretty much incon each other since i heard FAA didn't have any 1-A hax from other people here and Shiro can't interact with nep

 

[Ubdon]

They pretty much incon each other since i heard FAA didn't have any 1-A hax from other people here and Shiro can't interact with nep

So Shiro can't also neg nep 1? If so ok...

 

[PainKiller07]

Still no 1A layered but whatever with that outdated nep and transdual *****

Shiro can't interact with nep

Shiro would just stomp Faa since the latter's nep is like Alovenus which isn't nearly enough to prevent plot manip.

 

[Noneless21]

Still no 1A layered but whatever with that outdated nep and transdual *****


Shiro would just stomp Faa since the latter's nep is like Alovenus which isn't nearly enough to prevent plot manip.

I mean it's what ya sayin so sure, her nep is indeed outdated

 

[Ubdon]

Still no 1A layered but whatever with that outdated nep and transdual *****


Shiro would just stomp Faa since the latter's nep is like Alovenus which isn't nearly enough to prevent plot manip.

I'm not going with layered 1-a i just say why other think so

I know maybe after new td crt i make crt for new nep pages

Ok still want to see this

 

[Ubdon]

Still no 1A layered but whatever with that outdated nep and transdual *****


Shiro would just stomp Faa since the latter's nep is like Alovenus which isn't nearly enough to prevent plot manip.

also her outdated transdual shit probably scales even lower than shoud be

 

[Ubdon]

Should someone close it since this match ends as incon in worst way or complete stomp in other?

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Forgot Alovenus even got that NEP, though yeah probably wouldn't grant NEP on a narrative level, unless you count it on the level of the settings

 

[Grand_Saver_Ritsuka]

Anyone interested in putting this thread in spacebattles? i wanna see their reaction to 1-A shiki

 

[Noneless21]

Anyone interested in putting this thread in spacebattles? i wanna see their reaction to 1-A shiki

I reckon they denied Shiki being 1-A? then what tier do they give her then?

 

[TrueKingOfHeroes]

Why hardly? They just give immunity to it

Because it only applies to the scope of reality where she is

 

[Ubdon]

Because it only applies to the scope of reality where she is

Like every other hax and ability.... what ur point here?

 

[PainKiller07]

It has transdual over 1Cs which gives her baseline 1A which means no transdualism on 1A scope

 

[Ubdon]

Anyone interested in putting this thread in spacebattles? i wanna see their reaction to 1-A shiki

They have different tiering system and requirements for tiers so don't see how this gonna be good match

Maybe at this point use nasuverse csap wiki profiles where even gilgamesh outer?

 

[Ubdon]

It has transdual over 1Cs which gives her baseline 1A which means no transdualism on 1A scope

scope of transduality.... sounds like bad joke

 

[Ubdon]

I reckon they denied Shiki being 1-A? then what tier do they give her then?

Pretty sure not even tier 1

 

[Orioreeem]

scope of transduality.... sounds like bad joke

It's not a joke. Trnasduality is tied to dimensions

 

[Ubdon]

It's not a joke. Trnasduality is tied to dimensions

That's why i said "sounds like" because this cringe

 

[Noneless21]

That's why i said "sounds like" because this cringe

Then i guess you can debunk it if you thought it sounds dumb

 

[Ubdon]

Then i guess you can debunk it if you thought it sounds dumb

If this sounds logical to anyone i think any rebunk (since that rather upgrade) would be useless so i rather revise outdated verse pages

 

[TrueKingOfHeroes]

It has transdual over 1Cs which gives her baseline 1A which means no transdualism on 1A scope

You misunderstood what i meant. Shiki's transduality is 1-A but it's just a baseline and has no layer of resistances

 

[Grand_Saver_Ritsuka]

I reckon they denied Shiki being 1-A? then what tier do they give her then?

as ubdon said, not even tier 1. Even in comicvine, tier 1 nasu was once accepted....then it was promptly yeeted. And ever since chakravartin made his ever updating blog post there has almost been no fate battles in comicvine. Seriously, that dude is still researching nasuverse .

 

[Grand_Saver_Ritsuka]

They have different tiering system and requirements for tiers so don't see how this gonna be good match

Maybe at this point use nasuverse csap wiki profiles where even gilgamesh outer?

Gil has outer hax here anyway btw

 

[Grand_Saver_Ritsuka]

I reckon they denied Shiki being 1-A? then what tier do they give her then?

To elaborate a bit further.
Recently, i debated paul about the blog chakravartin made. After reviewing the thing a bit, we concluded that some of his sources were questionable, some of his anti feats where outlinears/ PIS, some where just plain nasu sucking at power scaling, some where inconsistent, etc. For example, the part where amarterasu was stated to have energy on par with the sun which has a energy / power level of 300,000,000. However that was really inconsistent, since going by that parameter regular servant would be large planet level, etc. In other words, by going by our standards, we can ignore some lesser statements as pis/ inconsistent and move on.
However, in their standards, they are not going to accept an answer like "Outlinear" "inconsistent" . THAT kinda puts nasuverse really low there. Hope that clears it up a bit.

 

[Noneless21]

To elaborate a bit further.
Recently, i debated paul about the blog chakravartin made. After reviewing the thing a bit, we concluded that some of his sources were questionable, some of his anti feats where outlinears/ PIS, some where just plain nasu sucking at power scaling, some where inconsistent, etc. For example, the part where amarterasu was stated to have energy on par with the sun which has a energy / power level of 300,000,000. However that was really inconsistent, since going by that parameter regular servant would be large planet level, etc. In other words, by going by our standards, we can ignore some lesser statements as pis/ inconsistent and move on.
However, in their standards, they are not going to accept an answer like "Outlinear" "inconsistent" . THAT kinda puts nasuverse really low there. Hope that clears it up a bit.

Huh, alright......

Was gonna say Nasu's usage in "flowery language" is high but i guess there's other reasons for it

 

[Ubdon]

Gil has outer hax here anyway btw

Ik also he never use this

 

[Ubdon]

To elaborate a bit further.
Recently, i debated paul about the blog chakravartin made. After reviewing the thing a bit, we concluded that some of his sources were questionable, some of his anti feats where outlinears/ PIS, some where just plain nasu sucking at power scaling, some where inconsistent, etc. For example, the part where amarterasu was stated to have energy on par with the sun which has a energy / power level of 300,000,000. However that was really inconsistent, since going by that parameter regular servant would be large planet level, etc. In other words, by going by our standards, we can ignore some lesser statements as pis/ inconsistent and move on.
However, in their standards, they are not going to accept an answer like "Outlinear" "inconsistent" . THAT kinda puts nasuverse really low there. Hope that clears it up a bit.

I mean even without R>f and other debatable stuff i still see nasu at tier 1 but hey every opinion important and etc.


Also from what i saw that's how all nasu debates goes no matter where it is

 

[Ubdon]

as ubdon said, not even tier 1. Even in comicvine, tier 1 nasu was once accepted....then it was promptly yeeted. And ever since chakravartin made his ever updating blog post there has almost been no fate battles in comicvine. Seriously, that dude is still researching nasuverse .

nasu research never ends

 

[CosmologyLearner]

at this time i believe plot manip is like;y the best power in this wiki lmao

Hmm but it still can't interact with nep 2 aspect 5 tho

 

[FallenMaou2234]

It has transdual over 1Cs which gives her baseline 1A which means no transdualism on 1A scope

Sorry to butt in since the thread has pretty much come to a conclusion that this is likely A Shiki win or Incon

but this statement doesn't really make sense "Which gives her Baseline 1-A" "no transdualism on a 1-A scope"??? She's not 1-A cause she has Transduality I don't think I've ever seen a Tier given for that reason.

She has Transduality on a 1-A scale because she's the root a 1-A Location/Entity whichever one you wanna go with. And said 1-A Location/entity possesses Transdual properties so I'm not sure how she doesn't possess 1-A Transduality that would be the equivalent of saying The Presence doesn't have Transduality on a 1-A scope because he's transdual in relation to 1-C Charchters. Doesn't make sense and I don't think thats how that works

Well it looks like Shiki's Transduality is gonna get upgraded and revised so it doesn't really matter anyways

 

[Thatsonme]

By the way, shouldn't the Lovecraftian Gods in the Nasuverse get a profile already? They are already confirmed to be 1-A beings in FGO. I found some interesting scaling from a guy on quora.

Basically, the six doors represent all possible dimensions making it 1-B. Meanwhile, beyond the six doors is the “Ultimate gate.” This makes the ultimate gate, Low 1-A or 1-A idk. And the Outer Gods exist beyond the ultimate gate and are even restricted there yet can still tie every single possible dimension in the verse with their restricted power making them 1-A+.

I also noticed that the type-moon wiki already mentioned them

Which is funny because almost nobody remembers the Outer gods.

Idk if this scaling is correct or not but these outer gods should have profiles even if they have very few abilities. At least we can confirm their "beyond dimensional existence", "madness manipulation", etc.

 

[Noneless21]

By the way, shouldn't the Lovecraftian Gods in the Nasuverse get a profile already? They are already confirmed to be 1-A beings in FGO. I found some interesting scaling from a guy on quora.

Basically, the six doors represent all possible dimensions making it 1-B. Meanwhile, beyond the six doors is the “Ultimate gate.” This makes the ultimate gate, Low 1-A or 1-A idk. And the Outer Gods exist beyond the ultimate gate and are even restricted there yet can still tie every single possible dimension in the verse with their restricted power making them 1-A+.

I also noticed that the type-moon wiki already mentioned them

Which is funny because almost nobody remembers the Outer gods.

Idk if this scaling is correct or not but these outer gods should have profiles even if they have very few abilities. At least we can confirm their "beyond dimensional existence", "madness manipulation", etc.

You know this is not the place to discuss this right? Go to the Nasuverse discussion thread and post this there

 

[Ubdon]

You know this is not the place to discuss this right? Go to the Nasuverse discussion thread and post this there

Btw i think someone should close this tread

 

[CosmologyLearner]

You know this is not the place to discuss this right? Go to the Nasuverse discussion thread and post this there

How do I close

 

[Noneless21]

How do I close

Ask a thread mod or admin to close it

 

[CosmologyLearner]

Um am new here so I don't know how to do these things.can u help me ?

 

[Noneless21]

I alreadh asked a thread mod to close it