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Is there any lore confirming it or is just the name? Because the name seems to be a reference to the association of alien contact coinciding with cattle mutilation.
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Small TF2 Revision
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Cow mangler's publicity blurb: "A deadly device by any measure, the Cow Mangler will quantum disentangle Cows, Sheep, Humans and even Demomen!"
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Cool, let's do it.
holy shit they called demoman a non-human, soldier was pissed.
holy shit they called demoman a non-human, soldier was pissed.
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Demoman isn’t a human, he’s a black Scottish cyclops
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Also, doesn’t quantum disentangle point more to atomization rather than vaporization?
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Also, it can do so even with robots in Mann vs Machine . If it's atomization, I'm expecting it to be at the very least building.
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9-A with optional equipment is fine, especially given how for some strange reason the last time this was brought up it was decided that it was neither 9-A dura or weapons for no apparent reason. It very clearly vaporizes people and is something that the medic can in fact revive people from.
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Nah, no ready yet. We also should calc the energy to vaporize cows, and decide whether cow mangler is atomization
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I mean we are using mvm robots airblasting cow mangler shots back at the players, so i think using the max power of a weapon in game shouldn't be that bad.
I think we would just assume it is 9-B x 14 x 3.
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Also, manmelter was outright stated to atomize people.
"Ideal for atomizing moon soldiers or neighborhood dogs at your earliest convenience!"
"Ideal for atomizing moon soldiers or neighborhood dogs at your earliest convenience!"
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Actually, there are robots that have Cow Manglers themselves
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Ok, after I thought bout it, here are my conclusions.
IMO
Scout, Engi and Sniper get 9-A with optional equipment via vaporizing people.
Soldier's Cow Mangler is at the very least higher 9-A via being capable of at least vaporizing cows but it should imo be higher.
Quantum entanglement is molecules being close. Quantum disentanglement is not a real science term but I think it's pretty clear it means separating molecules. So Soldier can atomize cows. And Pyro can also atomize people via manmelter "Ideal for atomizing moon soldiers or neighborhood dogs at your earliest convenience!".
Also, there's man vs machine mode, where all this can be done to giant robots.
So in the end, the following calcs should be done:
1) atomizing cows
2) vaporizing MvM robots
3) atomizing MvM robots
4) atomizing people (unless it was already calced)
IMO
Scout, Engi and Sniper get 9-A with optional equipment via vaporizing people.
Soldier's Cow Mangler is at the very least higher 9-A via being capable of at least vaporizing cows but it should imo be higher.
Quantum entanglement is molecules being close. Quantum disentanglement is not a real science term but I think it's pretty clear it means separating molecules. So Soldier can atomize cows. And Pyro can also atomize people via manmelter "Ideal for atomizing moon soldiers or neighborhood dogs at your earliest convenience!".
Also, there's man vs machine mode, where all this can be done to giant robots.
So in the end, the following calcs should be done:
1) atomizing cows
2) vaporizing MvM robots
3) atomizing MvM robots
4) atomizing people (unless it was already calced)
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I think atomizing people is somewhere around 8-C, but It should be properly calced.
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Atomizing cows and robots should be even higher
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Seems like too low, especially compared to humans
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Taking a Giant-Soldier-Robot as reference thanks to this footage
TIL Merc's Height : tf2 (reddit.com)
Soldier is 5'11 or 1.803 m tall
Robots - Official TF2 Wiki | Official Team Fortress Wiki
"Giant robots, with the exception of the Giant Medic, use different models with slightly skewed proportions (most notably a smaller head and larger torso) and more detail to make up for their larger size. The models themselves are the same size as the normal robots' but are scaled up 1.75X in-game."
1.803 x 1.75 = 3.15525 m
Density of steel is 8.05 g/cm3
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel#:~:text=The density of steel varies,4.65 oz/cu in).
Average weight of a human is 11,362.78 g
11,362.78 * 8.05 = 91470.379 cc
Atomizing steel: 59526.65 j/cc
91470.379 * 59526.65 = 5.4450576e9 J or 1.3014 tons of TNT
TIL Merc's Height : tf2 (reddit.com)
Soldier is 5'11 or 1.803 m tall
Robots - Official TF2 Wiki | Official Team Fortress Wiki
"Giant robots, with the exception of the Giant Medic, use different models with slightly skewed proportions (most notably a smaller head and larger torso) and more detail to make up for their larger size. The models themselves are the same size as the normal robots' but are scaled up 1.75X in-game."
1.803 x 1.75 = 3.15525 m
Density of steel is 8.05 g/cm3
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel#:~:text=The density of steel varies,4.65 oz/cu in).
Average weight of a human is 11,362.78 g
11,362.78 * 8.05 = 91470.379 cc
Atomizing steel: 59526.65 j/cc
91470.379 * 59526.65 = 5.4450576e9 J or 1.3014 tons of TNT
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Since its a machine you'd have to assume 80% hollowness
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Bruh. How is this only two times better than human end?
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What about atomizing cows? And vaporizing robots?
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Also, doesn't Eureka effect utilize lightning bolts? Those are building+ iirc
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Lightning is 9-A
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It is but i don't remember than coming from clouds nor shocking anyone, they just teleport you, which doesn't sound like actual lightning.
Unless you mean like, it is the same tech for different purposes so the weaponized energy would be comparable to it, then i guess it fine.
Unless you mean like, it is the same tech for different purposes so the weaponized energy would be comparable to it, then i guess it fine.
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Actually 1.6 billion joules so it's really low into 8-C
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The Eureka Effect's lightning isn't used for combat, so I wouldn't say it counts
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Engie survives it. And I think Eureka Effect was stated to utilize actual lighting
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It's mentioned in The Eureka Effects item description that it harnesses the electrical discharges of thunderstorms.
It's item description can be seen on the TF2 wiki
It's item description can be seen on the TF2 wiki
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Also, could anyone calc vaporizing robots and atomizing/vaporizing cows?
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Assuming the destruction value for a cow is similar to the destruction value of a human, taking a dairy cow's average weight of 1500 pounds, convert that to 680.388555 kilograms. That's 680,388.555 cubic centimeters. Then taking the destruction value of a human and applying it to this gives us 49,271,242,100 joules, or 11.7761094885277 tons of TNT. That's very low end 8-B. IDK if the destruction value of Cows is the same as Humans, but I don't imagine it's too different.
Cow Mangler 5000 > High End Doomfist lmao
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That'd make them 9-A, and it doesn't even seem to hurt engie, just use it for teleportation.
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It doesn't hurt cause he can survive it lol
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Well, that's pretty good. And in no way an oultier as nobody scales but cow mangler soldier scales. Still, freaking weird that atomizing a cow is more than atomizing a giant steel robot.
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Also where is the destruction value for humans?
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So, my friend on discord just did a rough calc of cow atomization too, got around the same energy
"Ok so flesh density varies but is averages to like 950 kg/m3 according to some google results Assuming his 680 kgs is accurate: 680.388555/950 = 0.71619847894 m^3 (716198.4789400001cc) 716198.4789400001 * 72416.3299602 = 51864465367.9 joules, 12.4 Tons, City Block"
Now ofc those are all rough drafts we'd need actual blogs and a calc member accepting it
"Ok so flesh density varies but is averages to like 950 kg/m3 according to some google results Assuming his 680 kgs is accurate: 680.388555/950 = 0.71619847894 m^3 (716198.4789400001cc) 716198.4789400001 * 72416.3299602 = 51864465367.9 joules, 12.4 Tons, City Block"
Now ofc those are all rough drafts we'd need actual blogs and a calc member accepting it
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