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Subaru Vs The Princess (Re Zero vs Slay the Princess)

Yeah, when Shifting Mound becomes part of standard, practically all of Princess' matches become void due to how that thing works unless there's a specific note that mentions the possibility of using different versions of The Princess separate from it.

Basically turns her into walking Smurf Hax
 
If you do make a revision let me know I got a few things I wanna add to the profiles!!!

Anyway, I believe Subaru has a wincon through SI regardless?
 
Tbh I feel like people underestimate how wild thoughts will go if told it's a dangerous to the world in a fantasy setting like this, imagine what happens if he asks himself "was everything else I delt with..not?" It dosen't matter if he convinces himself that isn't the case the slight possibility of it being so in his mind would somewhat influence the princess leaning him further towards her being a powerful entity that's messing with him
 
Like he's delt with alot of stuff and died to alot of stuff, I doubt he would go down there without considering the possibility she's a threat, and just him accepting that as possible would make it at least somewhat so.
 
Darkmon_cns said:
Tbh I feel like people underestimate how wild thoughts will go if told it's a dangerous to the world in a fantasy setting like this, imagine what happens if he asks himself "was everything else I delt with..not?" It dosen't matter if he convinces himself that isn't the case the slight possibility of it being so in his mind would somewhat influence the princess leaning him further towards her being a powerful entity that's messing with him
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Darkmon_cns said:
Like he's delt with alot of stuff and died to alot of stuff, I doubt he would go down there without considering the possibility she's a threat, and just him accepting that as possible would make it at least somewhat so.
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Funny story about that, Subaru kinda has a history of not reading into and thinking about situations like this which results in irrational decisions

Legit, it's completely and likely possible for him to walk into that cabin and not be thinking of any actual threat from her based on his own history with princesses stated to him repeatedly of being monsters capable of ending the world.

Also, I don't know what you mean by "was everything else I delt with..not?". If you meant to say Subaru questioning his own actions then that's highly unlikely for most characters cause without a skeptic voice in your head questioning everything there's no reason a character would ever think something they did failed without justifiable reasons.
 
Detective_Blizzard said:
Legit, it's completely and likely possible for him to walk into that cabin and not be thinking of any actual threat from her based on his own history with princesses stated to him repeatedly of being monsters capable of ending the world
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Uh What you talking about? That never happened.
 
Fezzih_007 said:
Uh What you talking about?
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Aren't a bunch of characters like the witches and Emilia consistently considered terrifying in Re:Zero from the average person at first, from what I recall due to various in-universe factors, Subaru kinda just ignored all of that and didn't care at all despite some of the factors just being passive auras they radiate. I know light novels like getting flowery with language and I went to check some quotes and yeah even Emilia is just described in such ways lol

"A white vacuum instantly sweeped conquest over the world, accompanied with such strength that even the impossible to halt flow of time would be stopped, impossible of being described as meagrely as the atmosphere being frozen." - Her Absolute Zero magic
 
Detective_Blizzard said:
Aren't a bunch of characters like the witches and Emilia
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Not Emilia, is just the witches that are considered that.
Detective_Blizzard said:
consistently considered terrifying in Re:Zero from the average person at first, from what I recall due to various in-universe factors,
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Yeah that's right, but like, you said:
Detective_Blizzard said:
with princesses stated to him repeatedly of being monsters capable of ending the world.
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Which is not a thing that ever happened to compare to this situation. And even then-
Detective_Blizzard said:
Subaru kinda just ignored all of that and didn't care at all
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No he din't do that, Subaru just muster up the courage to interact with the witches, but he din't ignore the potential danger that they may pose.

Like, If he ever considered that the Princess would be similar to the witches, he would be in a bad time, considered the experiences he have with them. But he not gonna compare the witches to the Princess so is all good.
 
Fezzih_007 said:
Like, If he ever considered that the Princess would be similar to the witches, he would be in a bad time, considered the experiences he have with them. But he not gonna compare the witches to the Princess so is all good.
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All he as to think is but what if she was? and it'll be
 
Fezzih_007 said:
Not Emilia, is just the witches that are considered that.
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Huh, weird, probably was just thinking about her aura just just massive discrimination she had for being an elf and confused it with all the other stuff this series has

Fezzih_007 said:
No he din't do that, Subaru just muster up the courage to interact with the witches, but he din't ignore the potential danger that they may pose.

Like, If he ever considered that the Princess would be similar to the witches, he would be in a bad time, considered the experiences he have with them. But he not gonna compare the witches to the Princess so is all good.
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He didn't ignore the potential threat but he wasn't wasn't actively thinking anything that would cause the Princess to subjective reality into anything that could be threatening. Most of his negative reactions were just instinctual or simply because he had bad history with individual ones.

But, I'm not the most knowledgeable on this series so for all I know I could just have bad memory on this topic
 
Like, I guess I can see the line of thinking.

If he knows that this princess can end the world, he might compare her to the candidates of the throne, since they technically also Princess, but considering he knows them, he either think the Princess is not that powerfull but she have a Knight with her that is super strong, or he does think she is phisically super strong, but would't assume her magical prowess just yet.

If he compares her to the candidates of the throne, It might be good or bad for him, depending on who he compares her.
 
Fezzih_007 said:
Like, I guess I can see the line of thinking.

If he knows that this princess can end the world, he might compare her to the candidates of the throne, since they technically also Princess, but considering he knows them, he either think the Princess is not that powerfull but she have a Knight with her that is super strong, or he does think she is phisically super strong, but would't assume her magical prowess just yet.

If he compares her to the candidates of the throne, It might be good or bad for him, depending on who he compares her.
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Emilia would be the first person he would think of in which case...she did be nice and naive???
 
SatellaTheWoE said:
Emilia would be the first person he would think of in which case...she did be nice and naive???
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Probally yeah, but he still have the info of her being a threat to this world, so the trought would't last that long.

But like, IF he start thinking that and compare the candidates, he not gonna consider just Emilia he gonna think of the others girls, since Subaru is not the type to think in one person to compare others, he usually think more than one.

He most likely gonna think of the candidates, but he probally gonna discard the trought of them to check who the Princess is first. Then he gonna see her chained on the wall, and take pity on her, and try to talk so SI gg.
 
The_man_with_the_Midas_touch said:
is this a vote btw?
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Yeah cause it seems like nobody really has a solid grasp on what princess even does...

Most likely condition is that Princess gets SI'd by Subaru and he tries to save her from being chained up in that place.

If this doesn't result in Subaru and the world getting blown up on a Low 1-C level, then Subaru should win a vast majority of the time.

If that does happen, the match is probably a stomp or a Princess victory.

But if that's not actually on the page then I vote Subaru.
 
Would it also be a stomp for Subaru then? She never starts fights, so does she even have a wincon?
 
I mean a Subaru SI is a decisive victory (and the one most in character) but there's always at least a small chance that a stray thought could inadvertently alter the outcome....I guess? Even something as simple as "This woman might be dangerous, I should treat her with a bit of caution" would drastically change the Princess's attitude toward him.
 
Theoretical character gets theoretical win-cons and lose-cons, only thing that matters in fights with something like that is 'Which do you believe more' and the general consensuses becomes the decisive win lol
 
Yeah, I'm only arguing that Subaru winning wouldn't be a stomp. As you said, these characters just have theoretical win-cons and lose-cons, so it would be difficult to call it a stomp match regardless of the outcome.
 
Typically the Shifting Mound nukes the world and absorbs the Princess as soon as she leaves the cabin, sometimes she takes a while to do so tho (The Long Quiet and the Eye of the Needle had an entire fight before she stepped in, and she'll probably do the same again in the updated Apotheosis route).

I guess there’s also the question of whether SI is an instant win or not.
I don’t think we’d count killing a character with a curse that kills whoever took them out an hour later as an incon.
 
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