Skill Tier List #1: Video Games vs Comics

[M3X_2.0]

Enhanced Senses are absolutly skill if attained through training

Good thing Daredevil had to train for years to master his senses and people that tried to replicate can’t stand seconds without getting crazy, not even high caliber telepaths can withstand the amount of information that his senses gather.

 

[Smashtwig]

Gon unfollow for now, someone tell me if there's any sonic vs zero thing going o lol while i try to find the scans that Laser requested

 

[Epiccheev]

Is the Mundus void dodging feat tthat important for Dante to the point that he can't compete in the list without it?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

It hurts my feelings since the current profile was changed by me because the last version was even worse.

Did that because I couldn’t stand a barebones profile so I improved it a lit bit.

Oh, lol sorry. But once I’m done, it’ll be far better. Even Daredevil could use some updates, nothing major, though.

(Also I think Daredevil clears Batman.)

 

[ZXareo]

Oh yeah those are all okay (minus the rain thing, I spoke about my issues with that), I just think it's not as impressive as what Marisa can do. The only things I've seen that would put Bayo that high do involve hax to some extent.

The fact that she made the ice javelin specifically isn't important. It's just to show that she has improvisational skills that show that she can do something unpredictable and unorthodox on the fly.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Even Daredevil could use some updates, nothing major, though.

I'm planning major updates for him. I have now more knowledge on editting and I'm sure I can do a better job.

(Also I think Daredevil clears Batman.)

I think it's a fair fight honestly. What differs both is the fact that Daredevil uses raw skill more than Batman does. You'll see Batman beating Bane with pure strength sometimes or with less skill than Daredevil would beat Kingpin, using more nerve strikes and mobility rather than strength.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I'm planning major updates for him. I have now more knowledge on editting and I'm sure I can do a better job.

Nice, nice. Guess I’ll be doing Elektra, then.

I think it's a fair fight honestly. What differs both is the fact that Daredevil uses raw skill more than Batman does. You'll see Batman beating Bane with pure strength sometimes or with less skill than Daredevil would beat Kingpin, using more nerve strikes and mobility rather than strength.

I mean the totality of it all. Senses, martial arts, acrobatics, I think DD edges out and or outright wins these categories.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

The fact that she made the ice javelin specifically isn't important. It's just to show that she has improvisational skills that show that she can do something unpredictable and unorthodox on the fly.

That's fine I guess, I just don't think that alone would be a super impressive feat.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Out of the loop, what does Dante “dodging a void” mean?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

It's like dodging water while being underwater.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Out of the loop, what does Dante “dodging a void” mean?

This (tl;dr he fights Mundus, who is described as a void, while inside said void)

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Also, is this a martial arts & combat skill thread, or delving into the realm of mystical hax? Because from the way I see it, the only veritable video game characters are Zero and Sonic.

 

[M3X_2.0]

People will see the most non sense thing ever and call it skill for the lack of a better name

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Also, is this a martial arts & combat skill thread, or delving into the realm of mystical hax? Because from the way I see it, the only veritable video game characters are Zero and Sonic.

Martial arts & combat skill primarily, unless a character comes from a verse where that overlaps with supernatural/mystical stuff.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I said mystical, not supernatural. Obviously, fighting someone who can perceive infinite possibilities of a fight, precog a battle before it begins, etc is supernatural, and far beyond human capability.

But how is making an icicle out of water and using magic quantifiable? To me, I consider a skill thread to only include the following:

H2H, CQC, weapons (blades, guns, staffs, etc), sensing, stealth, precognitive abilities (this is nuanced, since I’d consider analytical forms of prediction better than just seeing the future), experience, reputation, improvisation, and accelerated development.

Anything out of those ranges stops becoming skill, and then just becomes outright hax.

 

[Chariot190]

nobody ever said we were only allowing martial skill

Batkek with his unparalleled tier 1 smurf gaslighting skill...

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

So I don't care about most of the people on this list, but I DO see Taskmaster (my beloved) so I'm gonna copy past this skill paragraph I wrote about him in a separate thread

Technique Mimicry profiency.

Taskmaster, after seeing a physical motion done can perfectly mimic it, regardless of complexity, as long as it is within his physical abilities to do so.

further confirmation that he only needs to see a technique once to mimic it

This extends not only to normal moves, but also things such as acrobatic skills and stealth mastery.

This even extends to A fighting style specifically crafted by an alien race with a different body type than his own, which included having superior brain functions and a lighter skeleton than any normal human could. Basically, he can copy fighting styles while having a physiology vastly different than the user, as long as his body can physically perform it.

Even supernatural martial arts, such as Chi, with the user needing decades to master the art, Taskmaster could master in minutes

Once he copies a fighting style, he instantly masters it, and can counter it within moments. Supported by Captain America stating he analyzes and counters techniques in seconds.

He's also skilled enough to perfectly teach it to somebody else. (His main business is actually training people in the styles he copies)

He is skilled enough to even counter Spider-Man's Spider-sense with skill alone.

In combat, he can effortlessly transition from any of his mastered styles, be it armed or unarmed.

The skill of his copied movements improves with each use, allowing him to even rival Fendral, who is considered one of the best Asgardian swordsman (Asgardians being a race of immortals that can have centuries worth of experience in combat)

Skills.

As a 7th-level fighter in Marvel, Taskmaster is a master of all forms of combat. Both armed and unarmed.

Knows pressure points that can cause immediate unconscious, and can hit someone precisely enough to cause instant death.

With his skills alone, he can constantly keep up with characters who far outstrip him in stats, such as Iron Man.

Can fight perfectly fine with his eyes closed.

His aim with a bow is repeatedly stated to be comparable to Hawkeye and can match even someone as skilled as Bullseye shot for shot.

I can provide more if needed.


In terms of skill, any feat listed for the likes of Captain America, Electra, Iron Fist, Daredevil, Wolverine, and a few of the others would scale directly to Taskmaster, as he's mimicked and mastered many of their techniques.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Elektra demolished Taskmaster when they fought. He even used a Daredevil style and the only thing he could do was mess with her feelings when she reminded of Matt when Taskmaster used his style.

The feats do scale but Taskmaster became fodder. Lost to Cap’s sidekick, lost to Black Widow. Dude is scared of taking on Moon Knight who would actually make into the list.

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

Elektra demolished Taskmaster when they fought.

True. But in his defense it was because he was under the presumption that using Daredevil would work against her, as it did in their first confrontation. He was caught off guard

Lost to Cap’s sidekick

Pretty sure that's either a low showing or just a feat for the sidekick. Taskmaster can fairly frequently keep up with and pose a threat to Captain America himself. With the latter usually only winning by purposely finding ways to bypass his predictions and fighting style.

lost to Black Widow

To be fair. By the time Tasky actually fought Black Widow in the comic, he was exhausted, had prior damage, and didn't have most of his equipment. He was effectively jumped, and even then still could hold her off with nothing but a knife for a bit.

I assume your talking about the recent Taskmaster storyline and not some other loss I don't know about-

Dude is scared of taking on Moon Knight

Taskmaster is a coward. That's like...a legit character trait of his, which is even more pronounced in that particular issue.

Additionally...he had just been slammed into by a speeding plane and Moon Knight was face-tanking all of his attacks, from the looks of it. Hardly a skill diff going on.

Does Taskmaster job pretty frequently? Yeah, that is kinda the nature of a lot of street-tier villains. But he's one of the best fighters in the marvel universe, consistently (among the street tiers)

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

In terms of skill, any feat listed for the likes of Captain America, Electra, Iron Fist, Daredevil, Wolverine, and a few of the others would scale directly to Taskmaster, as he's mimicked and mastered many of their techniques.

Hi, let me explain to you why this is wrong.

Elektra (2014) #1 introduces a new assassin, known as Cape Crow. An assassin turned assassin hunter, in a mere flashback he takes on the combined effort of Bullseye, Scalphunter, Sabertooth, and the aforementioned Taskmaster all at once—and wins. Matchmaker, Elektra’s employer, asserts there is no other assassin that can take him on. To note, the objective goes from Elektra fighting Cape Crow to merely stopping him, as she encounters his son and he pleads for her not to kill him.

She encounters him in Elektra (2014) #5, and Cape Crow proves himself relative to Elektra, and easily able of luring her in to draw blood. It’s then revealed that Cape Crow is no ordinary fighter, but instead, a precognitive one, capable of reading your thoughts a millisecond before you do. How does Elektra counter someone who brutally dismantled four other capable assassins at once, that has the ability to read her every move? By clearing her mind of all thoughts, she moves on pure instinct, and executes such speed she completely blitzes Cape Crow. From there, it’s all her, she disarms, and overwhelms him in CQC alone. The fight ends with Cape Crow being shocked by Elektra’s sai in an attempt to try to fight her with it, and the fight ends there.

Elektra can subdue someone that Taskmaster can’t kill, even with the help of three other people. She’s definitively better.

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

Hi, let me explain to you why this is wrong.

Elektra (2014) #1 introduces as new assassin, known as Cape Crow. An assassin turned assassin hunter, in a mere flashback he takes on the combined effort of Bullseye, Scalphunter, Sabertooth, and the aforementioned Taskmaster all at once—and wins. Matchmaker, Elektra’s employer, asserts there is no other assassin that can take him on. To note, the objective goes from Elektra fighting Cape Crow to merely stopping him, as she encounters his son and he pleads for her not to kill him.

She encounters him in Elektra (2014) #5, and Cape Crow proves himself relative to Elektra, and easily able of luring her in to draw blood. It’s then revealed that Cape Crow is no ordinary fighter, but instead, a precognitive one, capable of reading your thoughts a millisecond before you do. How does Elektra counter someone who brutally dismantled four other capable assassins at once, that has the ability to read her every move? By clearing her mind of all thoughts, she moves on pure instinct, and executes such speed she completely blitzes Cape Crow. From there, it’s all her, she disarms, and overwhelms him in QCC alone. The fight ends with Cape Crow being shocked by Elektra’s sai in an attempt to try to fight her with it, and the fight ends there.

Elektra can subdue someone that Taskmaster can’t kill, even with the help of three other people. She’s definitively better.

Damn.

He should uh...still scale in terms of...individual technique. Precision, level of execution, that kinda thing. But he can't mimic skilled-based instinct fighting, or overall tactics. Should've clarified that, since you're right, he doesn't uh...automatically become as skilled as the person he mimics.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Damn.

He should uh...still scale in terms of...individual technique. Precision, level of execution, that kinda thing. But he can't mimic skilled-based instinct fighting, or overall tactics. Should've clarified that, since you're right, he doesn't uh...automatically become as skilled as the person he mimics.

It’s no issue though, truthfully I see Taskmaster as guardian of the gate in this overall tier list, and I haven’t seen anyone so far that’s beating him to get to the Marvel & DC skill high-tiers.

 

[Armorchompy]

That's pretty damn wild.

You reminded me though, how exactly do you rate Batman and other comic characters?

Are you just taking all their best showings while ignoring the more average and subpar ones?

same as any other form of comics scaling, do whatever you want and recognize that you're probably wrong anyways

That's anime

comics had a pretty kung fu-obsessed phase in the 70s-80s

 

[TheGatememer]

Out of curiously, are we allowed to submit characters without profiles?

 

[Armorchompy]

i don't know if we're even allowed to submit characters with profiles

 

[TheGatememer]

bruh

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Not a street fighter expert by any means but wouldn't Akuma or Oro be a better candidate than Ryu since Akuma beats Ryu almost every time and Oro is pretty much his equal?

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Is the Mundus void dodging feat tthat important for Dante to the point that he can't compete in the list without it?

Nah, it's just that apparently everything he does is so bs that it shouldn't count as skill

 

[Comicgyal]

Bayonettas magic is intertwined with her combat abilities, because using magic in her verse involves extensive physical and mental training. I’ll go into depth momentarily.

 

[Shmooply]

v1 sweeps anyways ong

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Will rep Izuru & Mukuro for the VG side.

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

I would like to point out, in terms of Taskmasters ranking, he still undoubtedly possesses one of the most VAST skillsets of the listed characters in marvel.

He may not be skilled enough to always outfight say…Captain America in a fistfight. But you can be damn sure he's better at using most conventional weapons, and can hold his own pretty damn well with a shield.

He may not always be equal to Bullseye in raw projectile mastery, but you can be damn sure he’d whoop him in hand-to-hand.

Of the people in the Marvel list, he has one of the most mastered combat skills, even if he would lose to a specialist in their field.

Which, considering this list is multifaceted with many different types of combat skill, is worth considering.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I would like to point out, in terms of Taskmasters ranking, he still undoubtedly possesses one of the most VAST skillsets of the listed characters in marvel.

He may not be skilled enough to always outfight say…Captain America in a fistfight. But you can be damn sure he's better at using most conventional weapons, and can hold his own pretty damn well with a shield.

He may not always be equal to Bullseye in raw projectile mastery, but you can be damn sure he’d whoop him in hand-to-hand.

Of the people in the Marvel list, he has one of the most mastered combat skills, even if he would lose to a specialist in their field.

Which, considering this list is multifaceted with many different types of combat skill, is worth considering.

I agree. It’s Taskmaster’s thing to overwhelm someone with an assortment of styles if he can’t beat them with one, on numerous varied occasions. I firmly stand by the idea that if any non-comic character wants to scratch the top ten, they’ll have to get past Taskmaster, and I simply haven’t seen a single one who can.

Note, Taskmaster has mastered these skills, but it’s just as Captain America suggests, they don’t matter against someone faster, stronger, and better trained. But this is a skill thread, and two of those don’t matter.

 

[Tomfer]

Dude is scared of taking on Moon Knight

Truth be told, that isn't anything particularly bad since yes Taskmaster is a coward, that's just his character but that's more of MK's reputation.

who would actually make into the list.

Any reason why? I don't remember MK being actually comparable to anyone on Marvel's list in terms of skills? Maybe above Winter Soldier and Bullseye? (I'm asking this as a MK fan)

(Also I think Daredevil clears Batman.)

He does indeed.

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

more of MK's reputation.

It's not even a reputation thing, Taskmaster has fought Moon Knight before.

He's legit scared of Moon Knight since he went insane on him last time they met. Literally crashing a helicopter into a building in order to fight him, before face-tanking all of his attacks until TM was too freaked out to fight back.

It's funny, Taskmaster is perfectly fine fighting most of the characters on this list it's Moon Knight specifically that freaks him out.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Any reason why? I don't remember MK being actually comparable to anyone on Marvel's list in terms of skills? Maybe above Winter Soldier and Bullseye? (I'm asking this as a MK fan)

Knows every martial arts in the world, fought Iron Fist and overpowered him despite Khonshu amping Marc (It wasn't strength or speed that did it anyway). Also has fought Deadpool before, etc.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Also, Moon Knight was the only one to stand a chance against Shadowland Daredevil who outskilled the Marvel's #1 and #2 in skill.

 

[M3X_2.0]

I just said outskill in skill. Lmao.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Moon Knight is legitimately just built different.

 

[M3X_2.0]

MK is not higher on the list because he lacks some martial arts background. I'd put him somewhere around Wolverine.