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Remind me to read Shadowland.
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Skill Tier List #1: Video Games vs Comics
- Thread starter Maverick_Zero_X
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Where do you put Wolverine? I’m thinking 7-10.
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I'm not your enemy.
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Yeah, that’s about right for me. So far, in the overall, who’s number 1? I’m thinking it’s between Shang and Karate Kid.
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What are we thinking overall for the top ten?
I’ve got a top 5 of:
1. Karate Kid
2. Shang
3. Iron Fist
4. Cassandra
5. Elektra/Daredevil
I’ve got a top 5 of:
1. Karate Kid
2. Shang
3. Iron Fist
4. Cassandra
5. Elektra/Daredevil
Tomfer
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I was aware of these examples, I just thought since they are crossovers events, we wouldn't consider or would take with a grain of salt.
Honestly I'd agree with this.
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I mean, I wouldn't consideer everything from crossovers because they're mostly bullshit and easy to wank a character. It isn't the same with Moon Knight though because he was on a very strong phase during Shadowland.
Tomfer
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What you mean by strong phase? You mean the phase back in the day that was named "Heroic Age" thing where he got a bunch of tech stuff?
Could someone explain to me why is Cassandra so up on the list?
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could someone explain to me who is this "Karate Kid" and why is he so up into the marvel skill list? i am kind of curious
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Moon Knight was having a very good strength representation. IIRC he lifted a building.
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Consistently better than Batman, Deathstroke, Canary, Tim Drake, beat Shiva (twice), master of all martial arts armed and unarmed, etc.
Tomfer
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He held a collapsing building and right after left the armor to hold it while he went to fought some random goons. It happened in Vengeance of Moon Knight.
Hm, I get the feeling that Daredevil would be slightly above her still.
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I dunno enough about Cass in pure martial arts. But Daredevil has way better senses.
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He's from DC. Everything he does is utter bullshit. Ranging from redirecting a blitz from a Superman level character to another solar system or neutralizing 5-B energy with skill.
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One tiny note is that the "chucks someone to another solar system" is a different variation of KK that I haven't researched, but it doesn't scale to the Pre-Zero Hour one. Probably. LoSH continuity sucks.
I would also emphasize that the "essay" is really just a selection of some of his best stuff but you can really only getting the full picture by going through his feats section on the profile. He is very silly.
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He's not.
He retired after his final duel with Shiva, while she and Cass have kept improving
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Also rip I've missed a lot
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creature you agree Travis Touchdown skill-stomps everyone on this list simultaneously right
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Wait lemme look at the list.
hm.
Liu Kang, probably
Mukuro Ikusaba, I don't know. I've heard the Danganronpa novels have some silliness.
Raiden, that would actually be a really good fight
Kratos, debatable
Bayonetta, debatable
Dante, debatable
Sora, debatable
Doomguy, debatable
Sonic the Hedgehog (was not expecting Sonic at all so idk)
Zero, no clue
Meta Knight, probably
Solid Snake, probably
Marisa Kirisame, I know Touhou peeps are very skilled but I have no idea
Izuru Kamukura, see my comment on Mukuro
Agent 47, probably
Little Mac, probably
Caitlyn, probably
Tracer, hopefully
Scout, they go out for chicken
hm.
Ryu, probably
Liu Kang, probably
Mukuro Ikusaba, I don't know. I've heard the Danganronpa novels have some silliness.
Raiden, that would actually be a really good fight
Kratos, debatable
Bayonetta, debatable
Dante, debatable
Sora, debatable
Doomguy, debatable
Sonic the Hedgehog (was not expecting Sonic at all so idk)
Zero, no clue
Meta Knight, probably
Solid Snake, probably
Marisa Kirisame, I know Touhou peeps are very skilled but I have no idea
Izuru Kamukura, see my comment on Mukuro
Agent 47, probably
Little Mac, probably
Caitlyn, probably
Tracer, hopefully
Scout, they go out for chicken
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also snake is probably more skilled than raiden
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Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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What can Travis do? I imagine he could probably take the place of one of the lower ranked characters.
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Tracer is solely Weekly’s fault. He just be chatting.
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But he’s banned, isn’t he?
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List of feats that scale to him, in increasing order of the skill scaling
- No More Heroes 1: A fighter's instincts are honed as they become more powerful, and even low tier combatants in KTP are capable of instinctually sensing or perceiving things they could otherwise not know, capable of sensing others' bloodlust or presence through their instincts, as well as enter a state where their bodies react to issues automatically or they enter a state in which they can fight through sheer instinct. Even at the beginning of the game (Travis grows in skill a LOT through the game, going from greatly inferior to his master Ryu to surpassing him by the fourth to last boss) Travis easily stomped the 11th best assassin in America, Helter Skelter. He can fight while having his perception messed with, learn wrestling moves just by watching matches, and alongside a wide variety of wrestling moves, he knows techniques that allow him to stun foes in a single hit. Has stated that he makes his mind go blank during a fight, fighting with his instincts, which allows him to dodge surprise attacks behind, and can consistently block attacks coming from any direction without needing to turn, even ones that would require extreme precision such as bursts of automatic gunfire. Can complete various assassination gigs which required him to defeat several enemies at once, often under a time limit or heavy limitations to his abilities (Such as being forbidden from using his weapons, or dying in a single hit), including Death Match 100, which pits him up against a hundred enemies at once, also SPS ig; Bad Girl is stated to be moving purely on instinct, and to have the same instincts as her father, Badman (Who even before learning how to fight and kill, was already able to deflect a ball flying at him at deadly speed while both unconscious and blindfolded, and who can fight purely on instinct when using a baseball bat), but more potential, and is a naturally incredibly skilled fighter despite having no training.
- No More Heroes 2: Upscales from No More Heroes. Travis is explicitly at his strongest yet, even at the beginning of the game. Easily defeated Kimmy Howell, a junior assassin who could learn in one day techniques that would take years for the average assassin to learn, and had trained to fight Travis for years; Million Gunman can ricochet bullets off multiple surfaces and hit his foes with them afterwards.
- Mokutaro Shiroyabu - Criminal power, something that is essentially embodied by all criminals but especially those who are especially skilled, brutal or tied to Kamui, is directly linked to power and skill, and HCU members are supposed to reliably deal with Kamui-related cases. Shiroyabu is capable of killing highly skilled (armed) hitmen even with just his bare hands, can tag several "deliverymen" (armed hitmen) in a gunfight in the dark just by the lights on their helmets and ended up killing more than 200 of them in just that one battle, all alone. Has access to several unexplained but somehow very effective special moves, such as "Hunt", which sees him closing his eyes, then dodging an enemy's attack anyways, paralyzing them as he opens his eyes (possibly just shocking them), then moving imperceptibly and landing a completely unnoticed killing blow, "Hypershot", which sees Jabroni firing in "a strange way" that tags opponents who would have dodged a normal shot, "Eeny Meeny Miny Moe", which I honestly just have no clue but hey it works, and Death-Filing, a mysterious supernatural technique that seems to induce instant death. Just by reading a hitman's file, Shiroyabu could correctly gauge how many moves he would need to kill him.
- Travis Strikes Again: No More Heroes: Upscales from No More Heroes 2. Additionally, Travis could stomp Mokutaro Shiroyabu and fight a version of Kamui greatly superior to the one he may be comparable to, and as such he greatly upscales from him. Travis also defeated Eight Hearts, placing him above Shadows of the Damned characters. He has been fighting for almost a decade now, constantly attacked by amateur assassins who want to make a name. Travis' defense is so good that even fighters better than him cannot get past his guard at all, and he will manage to pre-emptively counter their attacks the second they drop theirs; Badman is a highly skilled fighter capable of eliminating hundreds of opponents in a single fight, and has studied how to kill a man with a bat swing no matter the position.
- No More Heroes 3: Upscales from Travis Strikes Again. Travis' feats of precognition and extrasensory perception are now greater, being able to see attacks coming seconds ahead and sensing the proximity of foes long before they arrive. Can now not only skillfully pilot his own mech armor and its varieties, but even instantly figure out how to skillfully control a mech of a completely different kind he had never piloted before, an Arsenal, which even for enhanced humans require an incredible level of skill. Could tell the strength of a foe just from their shape and recognize a highly advanced illusion just through his knowledge of special effects. Said to have an unmatched killer instinct. His instincts are so strong they could realize Native Dancer was Travis' grandson and acted accordingly against his will, not only preventing Travis from killing him, but even causing him to help him. Able to defeat most of FU's Galactic Superheroes, some of the most elite fighters in the entire galaxy, even when they had the advantage of having his strategic and behavioral patterns to analyze. His skill has grown to such a level that he is able to fight multiple Destroymen at once, up to almost twenty[1], while he struggled with just one back in the first No More Heroes. Defeated Kimmy Howell again, who wished for revenge against him and had likely trained even more to defeat him.
Bobsican
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Little Mac is just... well, you can't really argue much for him, it's one of those martial art verses but without the capability to argue for much outside boxing, let alone explicit/notable skill displays for these purposes. Even Mario would be a better nomination as he upscales from Donkey Kong, who has fought Little Mac.
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That's not the same canon, and even if it was I wouldn't really say Punch-Out DK is equal to Mac in skill.
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Damn that's pretty good, he'd definitely be in the very top among VG characters here.
TheKingStrategist13
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Hmmmmm, if we're going by that logic and we can just pull the most stupid, nonsensical feats...
A version of Sora was capable of defeating Jiminy's Journal which took the form of Riku. Said Journal had all of Sora's feat's up to that point written down in it's contents, and would thus scale above Sora in skill via having all of Sora's Skill and knowing what Sora would do next. A version of Sora who, mind you, isn't even as skilled as KH3 Sora, managed to beat Jiminy's Journal anyways. So,
KH3 Sora > Data Sora > Jiminy's Journal > Sora
Sora is more skilled than Sora who is more skilled than a character who Directly upscale's in skill from Sora
(I'm spouting mostly nonsense, you may ignore me lol)
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I dunno if we're even allowed to submit characters, but fuuka it, here's Byleth. (Would've said Shez, but they don't have a profile)
From top to bottom, from bottom of the skill chain, to top of the skill chain. This is very abridged, cause this is all from the top of my head, so I will add scans later once I find them, since I don't have them on hand.
Ordinary Citizens of Faerghus < Southern Faerghus Soldiers < Faerghus Soldiers < Dozens/100+ Faerghus Soldiers < Playable Cast (Academy Arc) < Church Soldiers < Dozens/100+ Church Soldiers < Playable Cast (War Arc) < Shez (Early Game) < Byleth
Also keep in mind that in addition to being abridged, this list excludes several skillfucks in between, since I couldn't find where to put them on the list.
From top to bottom, from bottom of the skill chain, to top of the skill chain. This is very abridged, cause this is all from the top of my head, so I will add scans later once I find them, since I don't have them on hand.
- Citizens of Faerghus
- Like everyone else in their country, have been trained to fight since they were children. In Ingrid's case, she was trained to fight since she was 5.
- Were able to work as a militia alongside some knights, despite likely not having any actual experience on the battlefield. (While they were trained to fight, they likely haven't step foot on an actual battlefield)
- Can fight in fog so intense that one can barely see their own hand in front of their own face.
- Can dodge attacks that appear above them like Thunder, attacks that appear on them like Nosferatu, and Danmaku attacks like Fusillades.
- Southern Faerghus Soldiers
- Has actual experience on the battlefield, unlike regular citizens.
- Can throw axes around like boomerangs, making them circle around themselves before catching it.
- Can snipe people from hundreds of meters away via casting magic, shooting arrows, or throwing boulders. This is while both are on ground level, so neither are on a height, and neither can see each other.
- Can shoot multiple arrows at once, all firing in different directions, but at equal angles.
- Can fire danmaku levels of arrows with just their bow.
- Bow Knights can do the two feats above, but also while on horseback, while the horse is constantly dashing, kicking, and doing quick turns. They can also do a 360 jump shot with their bow while on horseback.
- Faerghus Soldiers
- Are more skilled than the Southern Soldiers, since they are considered "unskilled" in comparison.
- From dozens of meters away, while flying around on a pegasus, shot an Armored Knight right in their eye slot on their helmet, like this meme.
- Playable Cast (Academy Arc)
- Can take out strongholds filled with dozens/100+ Faerghus Soldiers.
- Knights of Seiros
- Even new knights can completely outskill some of the Academy Arc Playable Cast, as see in Caspar and Linhardt's support, where Caspar couldn't even land a single blow against them.
- Characters such as Gatekeeper can learn different Techniques, and Magic Spells just by observing an ally perform them.
- Playable Cast (War Arc)
- Can take out strongholds filled with dozens/100+ Church Soldiers/Knights of Seiros
- Shez (Early Game)
- Fought the combined forces of all Three Houses, which includes the Academy Arc Playable Cast, as well as the likes of Dimitri, Claude, and Edelgard, and 100+ students. Later comments that it would've been embarrassing if they lost.
- Is self-taught in combat.
- Has their own unique fighting style which they created by moving from mercenary company to company, picking up different styles along the way, merging them into one style. Has been described by Felix to be very hard to read because of this.
- In the prologue, after being beaten near death, was granted power by Arval. Literally right after this, they were instantly able to pick up a new sword and dual wield with it, and could adapt their fighting style instantly, with Byleth noting that they fought like a completely different person.
- Byleth
- Completely stomped an Early Game Shez, and left them on the brink of death, even after they were granted power by Arval.
- Can match the House Leaders, and Shez later on, all of whom defeated perfect copies of themselves, with one of the House Leaders, Claude, being weak against himself.
Ordinary Citizens of Faerghus < Southern Faerghus Soldiers < Faerghus Soldiers < Dozens/100+ Faerghus Soldiers < Playable Cast (Academy Arc) < Church Soldiers < Dozens/100+ Church Soldiers < Playable Cast (War Arc) < Shez (Early Game) < Byleth
Also keep in mind that in addition to being abridged, this list excludes several skillfucks in between, since I couldn't find where to put them on the list.
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I can pull some stuff worse than that
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He's done far better against Shiva than Cass ever did
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Cass ******* killed her bruh
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In their fightCass ***** killed her bruh
He had two opportunities to kill her, hesitating to do so at first, and then having Shiva's followers save her. He then throws the fight, knowing Neron will resurrect him
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Cass also could have killed her.
And, unlike Dragon, Cass and Shiva have both gotten much better since then.
