- 16,000
- 6,005
Remind me to read Shadowland.Also, Moon Knight was the only one to stand a chance against Shadowland Daredevil who outskilled the Marvel's #1 and #2 in skill.
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Remind me to read Shadowland.Also, Moon Knight was the only one to stand a chance against Shadowland Daredevil who outskilled the Marvel's #1 and #2 in skill.
Where do you put Wolverine? I’m thinking 7-10.MK is not higher on the list because he lacks some martial arts background. I'd put him somewhere around Wolverine.
I'm not your enemy.Remind me to read Shadowland.
.Marvel in order:
1. Shang-Chi
2. Iron Fist
3. Daredevil/Elektra
4. Black Panther/Captain America
5. Taskmaster
6. Wolverine/Deadpool
7. Winter Soldier/Bullseye
9. Crossbones/Thor
Didn’t understand how Thor and Crossbones are on the list though.
Knows every martial arts in the world, fought Iron Fist and overpowered him despite Khonshu amping Marc (It wasn't strength or speed that did it anyway). Also has fought Deadpool before, etc.
I was aware of these examples, I just thought since they are crossovers events, we wouldn't consider or would take with a grain of salt.Also, Moon Knight was the only one to stand a chance against Shadowland Daredevil who outskilled the Marvel's #1 and #2 in skill.
Honestly I'd agree with this.MK is not higher on the list because he lacks some martial arts background. I'd put him somewhere around Wolverine.
I mean, I wouldn't consideer everything from crossovers because they're mostly bullshit and easy to wank a character. It isn't the same with Moon Knight though because he was on a very strong phase during Shadowland.I was aware of these examples, I just thought since they are crossovers events, we wouldn't consider or would take with a grain of salt.
What you mean by strong phase? You mean the phase back in the day that was named "Heroic Age" thing where he got a bunch of tech stuff?I mean, I wouldn't consideer everything from crossovers because they're mostly bullshit and easy to wank a character. It isn't the same with Moon Knight though because he was on a very strong phase during Shadowland.
Could someone explain to me why is Cassandra so up on the list?What are we thinking overall for the top ten?
I’ve got a top 5 of:
1. Karate Kid
2. Shang
3. Iron Fist
4. Cassandra
5. Elektra/Daredevil
Moon Knight was having a very good strength representation. IIRC he lifted a building.What you mean by strong phase?
Consistently better than Batman, Deathstroke, Canary, Tim Drake, beat Shiva (twice), master of all martial arts armed and unarmed, etc.Could someone explain to me why is Cassandra so up on the list?
He held a collapsing building and right after left the armor to hold it while he went to fought some random goons. It happened in Vengeance of Moon Knight.Moon Knight was having a very good strength representation. IIRC he lifted a building.
Hm, I get the feeling that Daredevil would be slightly above her still.Consistently better than Batman, Deathstroke, Canary, Tim Drake, beat Shiva (twice), master of all martial arts armed and unarmed, etc.
He's from DC. Everything he does is utter bullshit. Ranging from redirecting a blitz from a Superman level character to another solar system or neutralizing 5-B energy with skill.could someone explain to me who is this "Karate Kid" and why is he so up into the marvel skill list? i am kind of curious
One tiny note is that the "chucks someone to another solar system" is a different variation of KK that I haven't researched, but it doesn't scale to the Pre-Zero Hour one. Probably. LoSH continuity sucks.He's from DC. Everything he does is utter bullshit. Ranging from redirecting a blitz from a Superman level character to another solar system or neutralizing 5-B energy with skill.
He's not.I'd say Richard is better than Cass and Shiva
Ryu, probablycreature you agree Travis Touchdown skill-stomps everyone on this list simultaneously right
Tracer is solely Weekly’s fault. He just be chatting.nah but for real though, who tf thought putting Little Mac, Scout, and Tracer on here was a good idea
But he’s banned, isn’t he?Tracer is solely Weekly’s fault. He just be chatting.
List of feats that scale to him, in increasing order of the skill scalingWhat can Travis do? I imagine he could probably take the place of one of the lower ranked characters.
That's not the same canon, and even if it was I wouldn't really say Punch-Out DK is equal to Mac in skill.Even Mario would be a better nomination as he upscales from Donkey Kong, who has fought Little Mac.
Damn that's pretty good, he'd definitely be in the very top among VG characters here.List of feats that scale to him, in increasing order of the skill scaling
- No More Heroes 1: A fighter's instincts are honed as they become more powerful, and even low tier combatants in KTP are capable of instinctually sensing or perceiving things they could otherwise not know, capable of sensing others' bloodlust or presence through their instincts, as well as enter a state where their bodies react to issues automatically or they enter a state in which they can fight through sheer instinct. Even at the beginning of the game (Travis grows in skill a LOT through the game, going from greatly inferior to his master Ryu to surpassing him by the fourth to last boss) Travis easily stomped the 11th best assassin in America, Helter Skelter. He can fight while having his perception messed with, learn wrestling moves just by watching matches, and alongside a wide variety of wrestling moves, he knows techniques that allow him to stun foes in a single hit. Has stated that he makes his mind go blank during a fight, fighting with his instincts, which allows him to dodge surprise attacks behind, and can consistently block attacks coming from any direction without needing to turn, even ones that would require extreme precision such as bursts of automatic gunfire. Can complete various assassination gigs which required him to defeat several enemies at once, often under a time limit or heavy limitations to his abilities (Such as being forbidden from using his weapons, or dying in a single hit), including Death Match 100, which pits him up against a hundred enemies at once, also SPS ig; Bad Girl is stated to be moving purely on instinct, and to have the same instincts as her father, Badman (Who even before learning how to fight and kill, was already able to deflect a ball flying at him at deadly speed while both unconscious and blindfolded, and who can fight purely on instinct when using a baseball bat), but more potential, and is a naturally incredibly skilled fighter despite having no training.
- No More Heroes 2: Upscales from No More Heroes. Travis is explicitly at his strongest yet, even at the beginning of the game. Easily defeated Kimmy Howell, a junior assassin who could learn in one day techniques that would take years for the average assassin to learn, and had trained to fight Travis for years; Million Gunman can ricochet bullets off multiple surfaces and hit his foes with them afterwards.
- Mokutaro Shiroyabu - Criminal power, something that is essentially embodied by all criminals but especially those who are especially skilled, brutal or tied to Kamui, is directly linked to power and skill, and HCU members are supposed to reliably deal with Kamui-related cases. Shiroyabu is capable of killing highly skilled (armed) hitmen even with just his bare hands, can tag several "deliverymen" (armed hitmen) in a gunfight in the dark just by the lights on their helmets and ended up killing more than 200 of them in just that one battle, all alone. Has access to several unexplained but somehow very effective special moves, such as "Hunt", which sees him closing his eyes, then dodging an enemy's attack anyways, paralyzing them as he opens his eyes (possibly just shocking them), then moving imperceptibly and landing a completely unnoticed killing blow, "Hypershot", which sees Jabroni firing in "a strange way" that tags opponents who would have dodged a normal shot, "Eeny Meeny Miny Moe", which I honestly just have no clue but hey it works, and Death-Filing, a mysterious supernatural technique that seems to induce instant death. Just by reading a hitman's file, Shiroyabu could correctly gauge how many moves he would need to kill him.
- Travis Strikes Again: No More Heroes: Upscales from No More Heroes 2. Additionally, Travis could stomp Mokutaro Shiroyabu and fight a version of Kamui greatly superior to the one he may be comparable to, and as such he greatly upscales from him. Travis also defeated Eight Hearts, placing him above Shadows of the Damned characters. He has been fighting for almost a decade now, constantly attacked by amateur assassins who want to make a name. Travis' defense is so good that even fighters better than him cannot get past his guard at all, and he will manage to pre-emptively counter their attacks the second they drop theirs; Badman is a highly skilled fighter capable of eliminating hundreds of opponents in a single fight, and has studied how to kill a man with a bat swing no matter the position.
- No More Heroes 3: Upscales from Travis Strikes Again. Travis' feats of precognition and extrasensory perception are now greater, being able to see attacks coming seconds ahead and sensing the proximity of foes long before they arrive. Can now not only skillfully pilot his own mech armor and its varieties, but even instantly figure out how to skillfully control a mech of a completely different kind he had never piloted before, an Arsenal, which even for enhanced humans require an incredible level of skill. Could tell the strength of a foe just from their shape and recognize a highly advanced illusion just through his knowledge of special effects. Said to have an unmatched killer instinct. His instincts are so strong they could realize Native Dancer was Travis' grandson and acted accordingly against his will, not only preventing Travis from killing him, but even causing him to help him. Able to defeat most of FU's Galactic Superheroes, some of the most elite fighters in the entire galaxy, even when they had the advantage of having his strategic and behavioral patterns to analyze. His skill has grown to such a level that he is able to fight multiple Destroymen at once, up to almost twenty[1], while he struggled with just one back in the first No More Heroes. Defeated Kimmy Howell again, who wished for revenge against him and had likely trained even more to defeat him.
Hmmmmm, if we're going by that logic and we can just pull the most stupid, nonsensical feats...Are ya afraid?
After all this one doesn't have rules like the other one which means I can pull any and all skill feats as bs as they can be
I can pull some stuff worse than thatHmmmmm, if we're going by that logic and we can just pull the most stupid, nonsensical feats...
A version of Sora was capable of defeating Jiminy's Journal which took the form of Riku. Said Journal had all of Sora's feat's up to that point written down in it's contents, and would thus scale above Sora in skill via having all of Sora's Skill and knowing what Sora would do next. A version of Sora who, mind you, isn't even as skilled as KH3 Sora, managed to beat Jiminy's Journal anyways. So,
KH3 Sora > Data Sora > Jiminy's Journal > Sora
Sora is more skilled than Sora who is more skilled than a character who Directly upscale's in skill from Sora
(I'm spouting mostly nonsense, you may ignore me lol)
He's done far better against Shiva than Cass ever didHe's not.
He retired after his final duel with Shiva, while she and Cass have kept improving
Cass ******* killed her bruhHe's done far better against Shiva than Cass ever did
In their fightCass ***** killed her bruh
Cass also could have killed her.He had two opportunities to kill her, hesitating to do so at first, and then having Shiva's followers save her. He then throws the fight, knowing Neron will resurrect him