simple Kirby upgrade attempts.

[Eficiente]

I disagree. The way Magolor says it he could just be referring to the previously mentioned wish granting Novas. Even then, it can be poetic and only refer to what we already know the star rod does. If both it's the star rod and it's not poetic then that thing would have this power.

 

[Galactagod]

ah, fair enough, though Kirby already has that power with his art copy ability.

 

[NecroVoi]

I have a question


In Japan the miracle fruit is known as big bang and it has the power of a universe. Queen sectonia absorbed four miracle fruits, shouldn't he be low 2-C?

 

[Galactagod]

if this site took statements then yes but in cutscenes or in gameplay, hypernova does nothing but inhales. he also deletes whatever he inhaled but it's still not low 2-C unless you take the background of the transformation as a universe https://youtu.be/yWRNdvg_Mcs?t=157 which I don't

 

[Eficiente]

It's just a name without further context, I said the same in this unfulfilled blog.

 

[Galactagod]

I disagree. The way Magolor says it he could just be referring to the previously mentioned wish granting Novas. Even then, it can be poetic and only refer to what we already know the star rod does. If both it's the star rod and it's not poetic then that thing would have this power.

doesn't that still make it low 2-C via subjective reality? the star rod ( by what magolor says ) could brings dreams to life, in other words, universes to life

 

[Eficiente]

You better come from a country where "dream" is synonymous with "universe", otherwise that's the biggest nonsense I have seen so far this year.

 

[Galactagod]

if this was a verse were dreams are real places one can travel to then it would be different.

heh

 

[Eficiente]

Can I close this thread then?

 

[Galactagod]

Can I close this thread then?

forgot to ask Cal for the at least but sure close it if you want.

 

[Eficiente]

I forgot about that matter, I'll let it open until he evaluates that.

 

[Galactagod]

ight

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

An "at least" is fine.

 

[Galactagod]

Can I close this thread then?

K if someone can add the at least you can close it.

 

[Eficiente]

Hmm, it's not that simple. Characters without that could scale to characters with it from a time in which they weren't that strong, we will have to organize keys for the "Pre-Star Allies" and "Post-Star Allies" versions of the characters that scale, also separating P&A.

 

[Galactagod]

so post star allies characters get the '''at least''' and pre star allies stay the same.

 

[Eficiente]

Parallel Kracko should also stay the same.

I'll start the changes from the characters shown on top of the verse page, anyone can help me by doing the same to the characters in the bottom.

 

[Galactagod]

I'd argue he should have the at least (even if it doesn't change much) because he is the only parallel boss who gave 2 fights unlike the others who only gave 1, and is corrupted by a dark heart, though am not the one making the decisions.

 

[Eficiente]

Well, it would create circular scaling.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Kirby_(Character)?diff=5906471&oldid=5786547

People can take this as a reference for other edits, also the profiles for all Star Allies say that they can create their Star Allies Sparkler via their desire to save the galaxy, this needs to be removed due to being a mistranslation.

 

[Galactagod]

didn't that description say '''everyone''' in the galaxy? not the galaxy itself. that was also a statement with almost nothing backing it up. but the new kirby profile seems better now.

 

[Kirby71]

Well, it would create circular scaling.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Kirby_(Character)?diff=5906471&oldid=5786547

People can take this as a reference for other edits, also the profiles for all Star Allies say that they can create their Star Allies Sparkler via their desire to save the galaxy, this needs to be removed due to being a mistranslation.

What it does say?

 

[Eficiente]

@Galactagod Yes, that's what the profiles currently say.

@Kirby You can quote only the stuff you are talking about by deteling the rest. The same but without mentioning the galaxy and their desire being turned into a physical object.

 

[Eficiente]

I'm already tired, can someone reliable continue the edits I was making?

Having this stuff in a blog helps:

• [[Thread:3927907]]
• | At least '''4-A
• {{#tag:tabber|{{!}}-{{!}}Pre-Star Allies=
• |-|Post-Star Allies=
• }}
• [The latter shown Post-Star Allies]
• , including the 15 areas where the Sphere Doomers were fought, which are all respectively interstellar in size]
• At least '''Multi-Solar System level''' (Can assist Kirby & 2 fellow Star Allies in the defeat of: [[Void Termina]], [[Hyness|Corrupt Hyness]], the retaliators [[Francisca|Three]] [[Flamberge|Mage]]-[[Zan Partizanne|Sisters]] [at once], [[Morpho Knight]] EX and the stronger incarnations of Void Termina
• Note that there is no distinction between his keys in this section.

 

[Galactagod]

can someone reliable

you got the wrong guy, I can't even do it anyways

 

[Eficiente]

As a heads up I'm going to downgrade Adeleine to 5-A physically, I couldn't see myself making her at least 4-A.

 

[Galactagod]

I mean, she did paint the sun and moo but that's not physical and after seeing how good she does physically, and while being a game mechanic, is the only dream friend who talk large damage per hit in star allies I can agree to put her to 5-A

 

[Kirby71]

As a heads up I'm going to downgrade Adeleine to 5-A physically, I couldn't see myself making her at least 4-A.

I remember Kumazaki saying that playing with 1 hp would be difficult, so tehy put more HP to her,this could mean adelein surviving more than one hit is a game mechanic, as a boss, she the only boss that can be taken down by a sliding, and she is one shot too.

I agree

 

[Eficiente]

@Galactagod She didn't paint the sun and moon, she painted Mr. Bright and Mr. Shine.

 

[Galactagod]

oh nvm

 

[Galactagod]

quick question, should the ancients get the at least for creating technology that scales to other technology that gives a character a at least

 

[Deadice69]

Being above/transcend/beyond time and space is not enough, and in this case specifically it just means that time works differently in Another Dimension.

then what would be enough then. would having 3d space be used as platforms in another dimension be enough https://youtu.be/k8f2lw5c30A?t=178
would needing the fabric of space time to breakdown JUST TO GO THERE be enough https://youtu.be/LkVjAxlEJsQ?t=1750 .

even if am wrong, it is still a completely different space time continuum with untold possibilities https://youtu.be/LkVjAxlEJsQ?t=439

 

[Galactagod]

dude chill, that argument is finished, efi is already doing the changes.

 

[Eficiente]

I'll reply to that later.

 

[Eficiente]

then what would be enough then. would having 3d space be used as platforms in another dimension be enough https://youtu.be/k8f2lw5c30A?t=178 would needing the fabric of space time to breakdown JUST TO GO THERE be enough https://youtu.be/LkVjAxlEJsQ?t=1750 .

even if am wrong, it is still a completely different space time continuum with untold possibilities https://youtu.be/LkVjAxlEJsQ?t=439

• This doesn't matter at all. Space is weird there, who cares? Did you even read our Tiering System? If so then I don't think you understood it.
• Those words could make things Low 2-C in the right context, which is not the case here. Here it just means "some portals were openned", that's it. Low 2-C means all time and space to be gone, here none of that even remotely happens.
• The link doesn't say that but iirc some text did, could that refer to the number of universes in Another Dimension being a bunch? Not necessarily. It can just refer to the 4 dimensions we saw with things that happen differently than in the main universe.

 

[Deadice69]

meaning 3d space in another dimension is used as mere platforms/more fodder then actual Kirby fodder


I didn't mean of space time breaking down was a feat for hyness, just that he opened portals to another dimension. which is above time and sp- nevermind you already said it in your cosmology of the verse ( a blog that I agree with, but why isn't the mirror world a parallel dimension and is treated as a small universe? )


at the VERY LEAST, it's really depends on how much interdimensional sections were in return to dreamland. since it's always a different dimension ( hence all the levels having different designs ). but ya, in star allies there were only 4 with the 5th being border of another dimension who knows, maybe when magolor made the most of another dimension collapse, these last 5 dimensions were left, but ya, no evidence for that

 

[Deadice69]

even if another dimension had 2 dimension, even though star allies showed that it has 4/5. wouldn't that still be 2-C if the master crown does have infinite power?

 

[Galactagod]

quick question, should the ancients get the at least for creating technology that scales to other technology that gives a character a at least

any one?

 

[Eficiente]

quick question, should the ancients get the at least for creating technology that scales to other technology that gives a character a at least

The crown and the Lor don't have an at least, the latter would in Star Allies because Magolor updated it or because it got empowered by the power of friendship. It doesn't make a lot of sense but it's what we got, to give an example everyone would get this is like the Z fighters being weaker than Frieza in the latter's saga but then they got to become on his level to keep up with later threats; It makes more sense for the main characters to become stronger but it's not like it's impossible for others to do the same, if to a lesser degree.

 

[Eficiente]

meaning 3d space in another dimension is used as mere platforms/more fodder then actual Kirby fodder

I didn't mean of space time breaking down was a feat for hyness, just that he opened portals to another dimension. which is above time and sp- nevermind you already said it in your cosmology of the verse ( a blog that I agree with, but why isn't the mirror world a parallel dimension and is treated as a small universe? )


at the VERY LEAST, it's really depends on how much interdimensional sections were in return to dreamland. since it's always a different dimension ( hence all the levels having different designs ). but ya, in star allies there were only 4 with the 5th being border of another dimension who knows, maybe when magolor made the most of another dimension collapse, these last 5 dimensions were left, but ya, no evidence for that

• I see what you meant now but there is not a lot of logic behind it. Anyone with space manipulation could do the same without having the rest of the space being Xinfinity more complex, there is 0 reason to think that space doing odd things means other space not doing that is anything more than normal space.
• It needs to be said/implied, if not it's as big as it's shown to be.
• Kirby & Magolor's profiles now say "maybe this 2-C thing happened, who knows", that should general some effect on people. Now I just need to finish my other blog and link them both in that text.

 

[Galactagod]

the person who has the crown has a at least though, all because he stashed some of it's power i don't think friendship is amping the crown. https://youtu.be/zGLGkp9M2yw?t=1608[magolor my himself is fully capable of fighting void by himself]