simple Kirby upgrade attempts.

[Galactagod]

I obviously know this is wrong, just want to know how the fandom see these ideas of a upgrade ( also new to this wiki )

just 2 characters

galacta knight more so his dark/light forms https://youtu.be/u2AiYUmDmF4 ( 23:15 ) "save the world" might be considered weak to a Kirby character but this statement entirely depends on if he meant the dreamscape, dream kingdom, or the decisive battle field. I personally think this is a universal statement as in the same game, it's backed up by galacta knight one shotting parallels nightmare, along with what's inside his cape which looks like a red like universe with stars https://youtu.be/u2AiYUmDmF4 (18:20)though this is just a misconception so this might be wrong.


and void termnia just for the fact that they said void is Kirby's toughest opponent. as well as taking a look at how many dark hearts void is made out of since 1 boosted meta knight's,d3, and wispys power by a unknown amount. even if it was at least 2x that is still impressive and that just came from 3. why dosen't he have a "at least" on his profile.

now that that's out my mind i just want to talk about 2 other kirby related things related to Kirby himself

kirby (anime) just about his age. why is he 200 years old the episode which tells us about his shows has meta knight saying he was 200 years from being mature. in other words, he is 0 years old and he will be 200 years old/ mature... in 200 years https://youtu.be/773C_Z-C9as ( 13:20 )

and now actual kirby would Kirby getting the triforce in great cave offensive give him reality warping? or is this just a simple Easter egg? https://youtu.be/gMFMBMa7yV0?t=4


just need some thought not expecting for this to go though

 

[Eficiente]

Welcome to the wiki.

"Save the world" is too vague, it can be interpreted in several ways of which the ones that take the most amount of speculation are the ones that give an upgrade. The stars in P. Nightmare's cape are considered stars, but the size of them is what we see of them due to the lack of more context about it, so they don't do anything.

Void Termnia and all who scale to him should definitely have an "at least" in their profiles, this was brought up before and wasn't evaluated due to a number of reasons (this verse in particular doesn't have a lot of relatable supporters, one that was a bureaucrat was in process of leaving the wiki and other was just giving moral support).

I didn't watch all of the anime but I'm aware that the American version has several mistranslations, so maybe evidence from the JP version would be better.

Things that are from other verses don't get to have the same powers or anything just like that, they only have what they show to have, which in this case is nothing.

Lastly, I will have you know that one day in the future the top-tiers will be upgraded to 2-C or 2-B based on something I deduced, but it could take me months if not years to bring that up.

 

[Galactagod]

firstly, thanks


this seems fair enough with the statement, I knew it was way to vague. the only agurment i have for P.nightmares cape dimension is that its the same dimension that was in the anime where nightmare put kirby in his dream/nightmare https://youtu.be/x9hNgrpURVc?t=113 . which isnt even canon so your still right. speaking of dreams, if the star rod is powered by the fountain of dreams, which is powered all the hopes and dreams of all living things https://youtu.be/9IsuSFb18VA?t=33. shouldn't that be a upgrade. we never see how big a dream or what a dream is in the games so should be be appropriate to use the anime just like kirbys age.


I personally think only void should get the at least he has 3 consistent examples.1stly as I said before, being made of all the dark hearts. along with there being a unknown amount but alone can make a multi solor system character stronger by at the minummum, 2x. 2nd example being that he can summon 4 master crowns while one makes magolor high end of 4-A. even if magolor was only 1/4 of 4-A then i think you know where am going with that. and 3 ( though this is skeptical ) his shining form being in another dimension https://youtu.be/zGLGkp9M2yw?t=1341 which is a dimension above time and space https://youtu.be/jRGsYbFJ8As?t=305 would make him a 4D being. still not sure on this


does it say anything of him being 200 years old in the JP version. if so then your right.


that's kind of unfair saying that but then you have Maxwell being 1-C via summoning mister Mxyzptlk but still good that you said NO. if not then they would be 3-A kirby fodder via this https://youtu.be/yL02e-OXf7g?t=297

if kirby is 2-C then he is soloing half of the dragon ball god tiers

 

[Galactagod]

oh ya btw. should Kirby and wispy woods have immersion via this https://youtu.be/HR8MgHilI5Y and this https://youtu.be/bBWJSJbD1c8?t=1


also possible fate manipulation for butterfly via meteorz saying this https://youtu.be/_lnz8et8zjM?t=94 though I personally don't think the butterfly decides a beings death when they die, as the butterfly ever since return to dreamland was deciding and Kirby and friends fate, but since Kirby is pure, he didn't die but this is my take on it and I also believe that WW3 will happen so am not perfect

 

[Eficiente]

The star rod is not powered by the fountain of dreams, it's the other way around. As dreams are not real they could be appear to be universes and it wouldn't be an upgrade, if this was a verse were dreams are real places one can travel to then it would be different.

4-A is a pretty huge tier, only being made of all those Jamba Hearts gives would give him and others that "at least". Our Tiering System changed to have a more logical approach to all that stuff; Being above/transcend/beyond time and space is not enough, and in this case specifically it just means that time works differently in Another Dimension (See here).

Idk.

Idk the context for Maxwell's tiers, but if his profile doesn't properly point out why they use crossovers with stuff having their original tiers then that's incompetence coming from the profile.

There is no reason to think that commercials are canon.

 

[Galactagod]

shoot another misconception about another dimension. you right


how about summoning the 4x master crown? also, it's called dark hearts instead of Jamba hearts but the at least 4-A should be fine. for void termnia anyway. ( c'mon there is literally a tree in the same tier )


guess untill someone finds the real translation ( unless 200 years old is the right translation ) i guess the 200 years on kirby's profile is ok. makes him sound more badass being old.


after seeing this https://youtu.be/FYdFB0lpe3w?t=30 we can 100% say they are non canon. Kirby has only shown 8-B feats https://youtu.be/FYdFB0lpe3w?t=204 in the commercials appose to 4-A feats so you right again. should Kirby still have immersion for entering panting in canvas curse?

just need more peoples opinions for this

 

[Galactagod]

bump

 

[Galactagod]

bump

 

[Eficiente]

Your best chance is to ask Cal to comment here, otherwise nobody else will.

 

[Galactagod]

don't need a chance or a agreement. just a opinion despite it being a small adjustment, but I'll go the his message wall

 

[Deadice69]

disagree with galacta knight being a universal character. he is said to destroy planets and has kepted up with Kirby but world part of "save the world could just mean a planet as well. popstar is said to be "world of miracles" https://youtu.be/4E8COwatdaw but don't be sad. his spiritual/time manipulation gives him 3-B potency due to those galaxies in the background of his Time World Deep Flash move.


this is one is really dependent on how much dark hearts they really. maybe "the true destroyer of worlds" is the one with all the dark hearts due to his new name. I agree with the at least on ONLY voids profile. however, just like galacta knight. some of his haxs also give him 3-B potency on mind manipulation. void also has his 3-B feat on his own when dying https://youtu.be/OzZigRuE1NU?t=1139 though this is a Hugh outlier.


agreed to make his age unknown. the 200 years statement, no matter which version of the anime you watch it invalid as each episode shows Kirby not being that 200 years old.

disagree for efi reasons above. though it would be funny if a universal wish granting weapon was in the hands of a marshmellow and link is confused on where is the triforce in his universe

 

[Galactagod]

thank you for you opinion and these seem reasonable.

 

[Eficiente]

I missed the Fate Manip stuff, it's just poetic.

@Deadice69 His space manipulation isn't 3-B as those galaxies are only the size as what we see of them without more context, them being no more than a cool visual thing, and time manip has nothing to do with it.

The context for it is in Void's profile. The true destroyer of worlds only has some few moe hearts than the Void Termina we saw in the story, who could be revive anyway due to having the energy necessary to do so. The top-tiers scale to the 3 Void Terminas shown, everyone would have the "at least". Void's 3-B feat wasn't properly evaluated, it would make sense that everyone got stronger at that level or something, without being equal.

 

[Deadice69]

I'd be down for the butterfly having fate manipulation, the morpho knight description straight up tells us that when judgement day comes, the paradisiacal butterfly would come fly into action.

far enough. it still ignores durability so am good with it.


I think we all agreed that every top tier deserves the at least on there profiles just different levels on the tier ( just like what galactagod said, a tree can't have the same attack potency as a Hugh deity ) as for the 3-B feat we clearly see galaxies where you fight void https://youtu.be/MQXIEBkbvRY?t=603 this is the part where it is the easiest to see in the background. and this is how that background looks like after void dies https://youtu.be/MQXIEBkbvRY?t=651 don't know why I bring this up because this is very inconsistent. the only other thing consistent is void summoning 4 master crowns. if magolor with 1 master crown is 25/100 of 4-A then void should be 3-C with summoning. if this is wrong, at least 4-A is still guaranteed

 

[Eficiente]

Many have the same tier, not many the same Attack Potency, the first tree shown was amped by a Jamba Heart that made him being able to take attacks from an amped version of the Warp Star. Again, the 3-B feat wasn't properly evaluated even tho it's clearly 3-B, that's why I suggested to call Cal.

 

[Deadice69]

even if it was calculated/evaluated, it is still a little inconsistent if it's in upgrade area. but I'll already asked cal on his message wall

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I was called?

 

[Galactagod]

yes galactagod just wanted opinions on this upgrade for void and galacta knight. also change anime Kirby's age

 

[Deadice69]

bruh that's you.

 

[Kirby71]

Ill be here aswell if possible

 

[Galactagod]

alright but much won't be change even if this get added

 

[Deadice69]

also, I know this is out of context and has almost nothing to do with the thread. but why does Kirby (anime) not have a key for the star rod. the star rod destroying nightmare in one hit, including the endless void in his cape should make it get it's own key.

 

[Galactagod]

also, I know this is out of context and has almost nothing to do with the thread. but why does Kirby (anime) not have a key for the star rod. the star rod destroying nightmare in one hit, including the endless void in his cape should make it get it's own key.

what tier would the star rod be then? he has nothing besides beating nightmare

 

[That.one.mofo]

bump since no one else would do it.

 

[Galactagod]

should the at least 4-A be added? if so, can someone do it?

 

[Galactagod]

bump

 

[Galactagod]

bump

 

[Eficiente]

You can call Cal again if you want, I agree with the "at least" but that doesn't do much.

 

[EMagoIorSouI]

Lastly, I will have you know that one day in the future the top-tiers will be upgraded to 2-C or 2-B based on something I deduced, but it could take me months if not years to bring that up.

Really now? Who exactly would this apply to? I only ask since the actual God Tier of the verse is Void.

 

[Eficiente]

30 Energy Spheres have a 2-C feat, the Lor Starcutter upscales due to being made of 120 of those and the Master Crown has infinite power next to it.

 

[Cropfist]

What 2-C feat?

 

[Kirby71]

Uh, but will you try now or wait? I would wait until more evidence, don't get your upgrade gun yet efi.

 

[Eficiente]

I made a thread explaining the feat and saying how I didn't want anyone upgraded from it yet here. Basically if you played Return to Dream Land then you will get the feat right away, if not then too bad, you need to read a sh*t ton of text to get it. And then some.

 

[Galactagod]

aren't certain Kirby characters tier 3 or higher when you considered the '''likely''' '''possibly''' and '''would eventually become''' in tiers?

 

[Kirby71]

I played it, and I loved it, magolor soul is one of the most stunning bosses I encountered.

 

[Eficiente]

aren't certain Kirby characters tier 3 or higher when you considered the likely possibly and would eventually become in tiers?

We don't allow headcanons or unevidenced tiers. Idk what to reply to that question, it expects a lot while presenting nothing.

 

[Galactagod]

what about the master crown? you said not to long ago it has infinite power but ( while having reality warping ) hasn't shown such power. though kirby's kirby power is not only backed up by 3 statements of the same thing, but has shown times where he shown it. powering the robobot with the power and making said robot overcome it's normal limits https://imgur.com/a/1MYyZ and he fought magolor with the very crown you called infinite. same would go to void, he has four master crowns and magolor with just oe is one of the highest 4-As on this site. void infact is likely more consistently in 3-C when having that 3-B feat deadice69 said not to long ago. and again the 4 master crown thing. though this is how i see it not expecting everyone to agree

 

[Eficiente]

Infinite power is a hyperbole, the crown having that just means it being far above other things, that was the case with it.

 

[Galactagod]

Kirby's infinite power is a hyperbole... even though a near omniscient computer calculated it? is void being 3-C or higher consistent for him with summoning 4 master crowns along with his death explosion being 3-B or should I go get cal. nevermind am getting Cal regardless since you already told me to do so

 

[Galactagod]

The star rod is not powered by the fountain of dreams, it's the other way around. As dreams are not real they could be appear to be universes and it wouldn't be an upgrade, if this was a verse were dreams are real place one can travel to then it would be different.

doesn't the star rod also bring dreams to life. https://youtu.be/jBHYbwmq0xs?t=24