Shulk VS. Rimuru Tempest

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

He can easily deal with Shulk's higher dimensional stuff due to this and he isn't omnipresent so he can reach him:


Space-Time Continuous Strike: Velgrynd's ability that she gains after her Ultimate Skill got upgraded into Flame God Cthugha. It is capable of exceeding time and space to strike the opponent, even ignoring things like Veldora's Parallel Existence and Multiple Existence.


Also his resistance negation comes from piercing Ultimate Skills that resist anything lower than their skills. There's stuff that I may have miss since he's the composite series

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

As an outside unbiased perspective (someone who knows either of these characters)

I can confidentially say I dont understand either side of the argument. Both sides are either jumping from one ability to another or not explaining things clearly. Shulks arguments make a tiny more sense to me. I will ask some questions I'd like both sides to answer

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Just curious but shouldn't Alvis have a degree of type 3 acausality?, since he is omnipresent across countless timelines.

 

[JoshSSJGod]

As an outside unbiased perspective (someone who knows either of these characters)

I can confidentially say I dont understand either side of the argument. Both sides are either jumping from one ability to another or not explaining things clearly. Shulks arguments make a tiny more sense to me. I will ask some questions I'd like both sides to answer

Shulk starts off with a passive precog that thanks to it's built in clairyoence will let Shulk learn anything he needs to win. So he can start with anything really. Miliy's description of Rim's resistance to precog is nowhere near enough to cover how potent Shulk's precog is.

Alvis is on a higher dimension than Rim which means Rim can't affect him nor can he stop anything Alvis can do to mess with the fight.

Absolute buttload in Shulk's favour like its not even funny.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Just curious but shouldn't Alvis have a degree of type 3 acausality?, since he is omnipresent across countless timelines.

Not really, both works differently

 

[Everything12]

Can you explain in more detail what you me about Resistance Negation and Ultimate Skills?

 

[Rathidzeo]

He can easily deal with Shulk's higher dimensional stuff due to this and he isn't omnipresent so he can reach him:


Space-Time Continuous Strike: Velgrynd's ability that she gains after her Ultimate Skill got upgraded into Flame God Cthugha. It is capable of exceeding time and space to strike the opponent, even ignoring things like Veldora's Parallel Existence and Multiple Existence.


Also his resistance negation comes from piercing Ultimate Skills that resist anything lower than their skills. There's stuff that I may have miss since he's the composite series

Alvis is higher dimensional and omnipresent and he will revive Shulk.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

That's literally how Dialga and Arceus got type 3 (if I remember correctly).

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

As an outside unbiased perspective (someone who knows either of these characters)

I can confidentially say I dont understand either side of the argument. Both sides are either jumping from one ability to another or not explaining things clearly. Shulks arguments make a tiny more sense to me. I will ask some questions I'd like both sides to answer

Rimuru starts with Info Analysis that pierces resistance, RE, and power mimicry.

Rimuru has multiple layers of Precog resistance, 3 types of Acasuality, all that are on a 2-B scale.

Shulk's AP really means nothing when Rimuru has passive attack reflection and nullification, RE, and stats reduction.

 

[XDragnoir]

As an outside unbiased perspective (someone who knows either of these characters)

I can confidentially say I dont understand either side of the argument. Both sides are either jumping from one ability to another or not explaining things clearly. Shulks arguments make a tiny more sense to me. I will ask some questions I'd like both sides to answer

I'll be ninjaed, but okay.

Both have passives, so they technically start with passives, shulk has probability manipulation that can make another 2B character not act, and Shulk has more AP.

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

What are Shulk's wincon?

 

[Rathidzeo]

Shulk resists attack reflection and I think he has resistance to stat reduction due to immunization ( skill tree).

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Can you explain in more detail what you me about Resistance Negation and Ultimate Skills?

Ultimate Skills are the highest class of Skill in slime. Lower skills cannot effect them. Apito's Psuedo-Ultimate Skill is Resistance Neg. Rimuru, being a full Ultimate Skill user, resists this.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Shulk resists attack reflection.

Two types of attack nullification do the job, then.

 

[Bware1]

@Milly The key word their is "Lower", and it's already been discussed that Shulk 2-B is superior to Rimuru 2-B

 

[Rathidzeo]

Two types of attack nullification do the job, then.

What types?

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

What are Shulk's wincon?

He has none, but Shulk can't really win here at all either

 

[Everything12]

You mean the same Resistance Negation that worked on Dino who has a Ultimate Skill

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Two types of attack nullification do the job, then.

What types?
What do you mean? He just has two abilities that do the same thing.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

You mean the same Resistance Negation that worked on Dino who has a Ultimate Skill

Yeah.

 

[Rathidzeo]

Two types of attack nullification do the job, then. What types?
What do you mean? He just has two abilities that do the same thing.

Sorry, I didn't read close enough.

 

[JoshSSJGod]

Took another look at Rim's profile (done it so many times now) and I can confirm he does not have Resistance Negation on his profile at all.

Funny enough Alvis's EE is technically passive.

 

[Everything12]

So your saying him having a Ultimate Skill means he automatically resists Resistance Negation that negated another Ultimate Skills resistance...

 

[Thatsafloridathing]

@Rathid

Please don't quote large walls of text, it just makes the thread harder to read through.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Took another look at Rim's profile (done it so many times now) and I can confirm he does not have Resistance Negation on his profile at all.
Funny enough Alvis's EE is technically passive.

Improved Sleep Manipulation, Disease Manipulation, Necromancy, Attack Reflection, Regenerationn (Mid-Godly), Causality Manipulation, Resistance Negation

Read harder.

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

Also, where does Shulk get mid godly negging from

 

[Everything12]

We both know he meant resistance to resistance negation

 

[Rathidzeo]

@Rathid

Please don't quote large walls of text, it just makes the thread harder to read through.

Sorry.

 

[Thatsafloridathing]

Also, where does Shulk get mid godly negging from

He gets it from erasing Zanza from history iirc.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

So your saying him having a Ultimate Skill means he automatically resists Resistance Negation that negated another Ultimate Skills resistance...

That's how it always works, like a said the WN is a rough draft compared to the LN, and inconsistency is about. The general consensus among those who made the slime CRTs agree that US's>Psuedo-Versions.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

We both know he meant resistance to resistance Negation

What??? He quite literally said he doesn't have RESISTANCE NEGATION on his profile, not a RESISTANCE to it??

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Ugh... this talk of resistance negation and resistance to resistance negation is giving me similar headaches to the old SMT Vs Digimon threads.

Long story short it comes down to either an endless loop between Alvis Vs the slime or (depending on your perspective) one side breaks the loop eventually (either the Slime adapts or Alvis overwhelms).

 

[JoshSSJGod]

Improved Sleep Manipulation, Disease Manipulation, Necromancy, Attack Reflection, Regenerationn (Mid-Godly), Causality Manipulation, Resistance Negation

Read harder.

That is having Resistance Negation not resisting it. None of Rim's resistance sections have Resistance Negating on it.

@Blue

He gets it from his EE conveniently covering everything that lets a Mid-Godly come back like memories for example.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

Ugh... this talk of resistance negation and resistance to resistance negation is giving me similar headaches to the old SMT Vs Digimon threads.

Long story short it comes down to either an endless loop between Alvis Vs the slime or (depending on your perspective) one side breaks the loop eventually (either the Slime adapts or Alvis overwhelms).

Exactly why i said both sides dont make sense and arent getting anywhere lol

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

Someone should message Elzihaa, he is knowledgable on rimuru

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I explained earlier he should resist it, if I misinterpreted I apologize, the word resistance is starting to hurt my head.

 

[Everything12]

We do not cross scale Light Novel stuff with Web Novel stuff, if Resistance Negation negated a Ultimate Skills resistance in the WN, then WN Ultimate Skills don't get Resistance Negation from it no matter what happens with the Light Novel.

 

[JoshSSJGod]

I believe it would best for us to slow down a bit. Throwing comments and arguments left and right is not going to get us places.

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

There's so many EE in the series like Hinata's Disintegration (includes the soul) will not work on an Ultimate Skill and Milim's Dragonova which her EE works on a Ultimate Skill but Rimuru resist that and his EE resistance improves further when he got Origin magic which is above Ultimate Skill

Rimuru has many form resistance negation for piercing Ciel easily making an ability that pierces resistance, due to Origin magic that pierces Ultimate Skill resistance, some of his ability that work on Acausal and with resistance, etc.

Shulk's higher dimension is easily negated because of this:

Space-Time Continuous Strike: Velgrynd's ability that she gains after her Ultimate Skill got upgraded into Flame God Cthugha. It is capable of exceeding time and space to strike the opponent, even ignoring things like Veldora's Parallel Existence and Multiple Existence.

I don't see what Shulk can do to Rimuru either

 

[Thatsafloridathing]

Yeah, but that still doesn't prove that it can actually affect a being outside of a multiverse bigger than slime's.