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Dragonmasterxyz said:
It's cool.
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Should Natsu have Non-Physical Interaction?
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It's cool.
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Bleach souls were only tangible to characters who were special humans that possessed the ability to do so or were souls already, and it still took years for it to be accepted despite multiple statements of it being the case.
Acno has shown absolutely nothing to support being intangible and the only time he fought people as a soul, he specifically brought them to his realm/inside him. That seems like a case specific ability seeing as other souls in verse are also completely solid. Celestial Spirits were fully absorbed when Franmalth used his curse to absorb souls on them.
If anything souls are simply solid in Fairy Tail as the only times they are seen supports this and points away from them being intangible.
Acno has shown absolutely nothing to support being intangible and the only time he fought people as a soul, he specifically brought them to his realm/inside him. That seems like a case specific ability seeing as other souls in verse are also completely solid. Celestial Spirits were fully absorbed when Franmalth used his curse to absorb souls on them.
If anything souls are simply solid in Fairy Tail as the only times they are seen supports this and points away from them being intangible.
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My point was that not being able to hit one type of intangibility doesn't mean that you can't hit any other types.
My point was that not being able to hit one type of intangibility doesn't mean that you can't hit any other types.
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But even then, even souls can still touch physical objects as it seems, that would imply some tangle effect. Actually we cannot dictate that celestial spirits are the same as dead spirits or detached spirits from the human body. They are living beings that exist on a different world. We never seen souls in Ft be physical, otherwise, Sagetarius would have destroyed Bixlows souls that controls dolls
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I'll be frank I don't really care either way, whether or not Natsu has this ability, it seems more of an argument of whether or nit Acnologia was tangible, also Natsu already has Soul Manipulation, so yeah...
Acnologia has never been stated to be a tangible soul, so I say just leave the ability as it is
Acnologia has never been stated to be a tangible soul, so I say just leave the ability as it is
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Wasn't stated of be intangible either. It's either we make it limited Non-Physical Interaction or we remove it from his profile. Also I wanna bring up his Regen negation, I really don't think he should have it since Zeref did heal himself after the fight meaning Natsu didn't actually negate his Regenerationn. Imo that's a bigger issue than him having non psychical interaction.
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Bump, we just need to choose if we're getting rid of Non-Physical Interaction completely or making it limited. I'd also like to bring up Natsu's Regenerationn negation since I'm very doubtful on it being legitimate whenever Zeref healed himself right afterwards.
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Limited. I agree with DragonMaster.
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I'm ok with Limited
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What is limited non-physical interaction? You either have it or you don't.
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Being able to hit souls but not intangibles that are elements. Or being to hit those but not non existent beings. Basically everything that doesn't let you punch minds,souls,nonexistent beings, and elements. For Natsu it's the first sentence.Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
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So are we coming to a conclusion? Limited it's okay.
Also, with the new revisions the Non-Corporal will get more types so this came just in time.
Also, with the new revisions the Non-Corporal will get more types so this came just in time.
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Being able to hit souls but not intangibles? So the souls aren't intangible therefore meaning they're physical?
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We could just go ahead and make him type 1 according to the new revisions, honestly.
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There are several kinds of intangibility.Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
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If the type 1 fits then it's okay.TriforcePower1 said:
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I mean elements. Being able to punch a soul doesn't mean you can punch a fire.Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
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CNBA3 said:
Natsu doesn't interact with fire like a solid. If you wanna use the Atlas Flame argument that's been debunked many times before since his scales are made of fire, not the entire thing.
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Natsu doesn't interact with fire like a solid. If you wanna use the Atlas Flame argument that's been debunked many times before since his scales are made of fire, not the entire thing.
That's incredibly untrue seeing as how Mother Glare's Roar passed through him
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Bislow was also able to hit him, his intang is very inconsistent. Natsu also had to resort to trying to eat Atlas Flame instead of attacking him with magical or physical attacks. Atlas Flame also crashed into building how many times? Also Mother Glare did hit him in the beginning as well.
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CNBA3 said:
He isn't always intangible and the Dragon Slayers don't treat thier elements as a solid. The best one you could use is Natsu, and again he couldn't actually hit Atlas Flame who isn't always intangible. MotherGlare hit him, Bislow hit him and I'm pretty sure Laxus also hit him.
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Natsu resorting to eat him doesn't disprove his Flame Body ability. In fact it supports it. And Mother Glare didn't hit him. He crashed into Mother Glare. It's far more likely it's an ability he can turn on and off rather than saying he can't straight up isn't intangible. It's not the 1st time we've seen elemental intangibility.Rin The Dragon Empress said:
>Lightning Body with Laxus
>Sand Body for Ajeel
>Water Body with Juvia.
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I can agree with it being an on and off thing, however there's no way to actually tell when he's using it or not. There aren't any visuals to go by unlike with the other Elemental Bodies.
We can't say that he was intangible whenever Natsu got on him. Against Motherglare is the only time he's show cased to be intangible, meanwhile the rest of the time he's been shown to be solid.
We can't say that he was intangible whenever Natsu got on him. Against Motherglare is the only time he's show cased to be intangible, meanwhile the rest of the time he's been shown to be solid.
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That scan you have of him and Mother Glare has Atlas Flame Ramming Mother Glare into a building, not the other way around same with Atlas' headbutt. If Flame Body was ineffective on Natsu why would he not try to ram him into a building? Especially when Natsu was actually eating him. The only two scans left are Natsu and Laxus, are the only scans where he's actually touched
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You fail the see the point HST Master. He isn't intangible in the scan I've posted. All of them show him being interacted with or interacting with other people, something he couldn't do if he was intangible. PIS most likely or that Atlas Flame wasn't smart enough to actually do so. Point is we don't know if Atlas Flame was intangible at the time whenever Natsu was on him, even if we did assume he was ( With zero proof. ) Natsu wasn't attacking him, he had to resort to eating him. Atlas Flame is shown to be solid a majooiod the time.
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And like I said before, I never said it was a constant. Your scans with Mother Glare all show Atlas attacking, not Mother Glare successfully landing hits as you're trying to say and the only attack Mother Glare did, passed through him. Natsu very clearly stated he was going to eat Atlas and since Natsu can physically touch Flames he has to get him off another way, we've seen Natsu treat Flames as if they're physical before. So the only times we've truely seen him get hit was Laxus who more than likely caught him off guard seeing as how later on Laxus' Roar doesn't touch him and Natsu who can touch flames. Any other time he was touching someone of his own accord.Rin The Dragon Empress said:
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Still agree with Limited Non-Physical Interaction
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