Shinza Banshou downgrade

[Planck69]

Most of the already revised ones.

Cthulhu Mythos
When They Cry
The Elder Scrolls
Deluge of the Abyss
Dungeons and Dragons (I'm unsure of this a bit)
Twin Peaks (Slightly unsure)
DC Comics (Very unsure)

And again, the tiering system and its issues can be discussed elsewhere. This thread is done for the most part.

 

[Amakasu]

Most of the already revised ones.

Cthulhu Mythos
When They Cry
The Elder Scrolls
Deluge of the Abyss
Dungeons and Dragons (I'm unsure of this a bit)
Twin Peaks (Slightly unsure)
DC Comics (Very unsure)

And again, the tiering system and its issues can be discussed elsewhere. This thread is done for the most part.

The unwritten?

 

[Planck69]

Oh yeah, forgot about that.

Anyway, we've derailed enough.

 

[Sadistic_Sleuth]

Nepuko forgot to remove one of the High 1-A ratings on Rein's page, so I removed it.

 

[Lapsad]

If nepuko done the revisions plz close this before it goes to madness.

 

[Amakasu]

Yup, close it. The work is basically done.

 

[Nepuko]

Also, don't forget the 3 explanation pages please.

Done, they were edited as was currently the safe consensus in the thread. An "umbrella" justification so to speak.

Please do note that any further editing and fine-turning will still need a discussion (in another thread I assume) with the supporters to fine-tune exactly where they are in 1-A (are Taiji values layers into 1-A or only higher into baseline for example), the exact wording - if needed - of the relation Singularity-Throne, and other details.

But for now, it is done.

@Sadistic_Sleuth My bad, thanks. Perhaps it was my inner guilt subconsciously manifesting.

 

[Infera28]

How is mathematics my subjective opinion?

Tiers are meant to be accurate. Not have a certain number of people in them. It's not even made for specific works of fiction, it's just that few actually are this powerful.

99% of fiction is below Tier 7 though so that last part is just arguing from incredulity.

We currently have 6 verses with High 1-As on the wiki that were accepted as such by most of the experts on the tiering system itself.

Strawman. I never called mathematics subjective. Nor i was trying to making tiering system inaccurate. We can have weaker high 1-A standards and then something like higher into high 1-A and higher into boundless without anything inaccurate. We already have low multiverse with 2 to 1001 higher infinites and nothing inaccurate.

Making it an arbitrary tier just so that more characters qualify is ridiculous.

That is cleary your subjective opinion, because doing something like that only under your subjective criteria is bad.

Also old high 1-A was far weaker and based on mathematics too but nobody called it bad. So idk why it is suddenly bad and ridiculous. It is also your purely subjective opinion.

 

[Amakasu]

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[ZERO7772]

This should be closed if the edit is done yeah

 

[Kaizuka_Satomi]

Agreed with Planck, putting everything sounds chuuni into High 1-A is absurb.

 

[Nepuko]

I won't expand on this, but :

1- They're not quite arbitrary honestly speaking, High 1-A and 1-A in layman terms are pretty much the Outerversal version of 1-A and below. For ex, 1-A+ is the Outerversal ""equivalent"" of High 1-B. Advencing in 1-A, if you have R>F quotes or good transcendence statements it's doable, as at that level transcendences like that are the system all over iirc. As far as I know. It's in the case that if you don't that possess those, then you have to prove that difference "manually" since you don't have the free ticket of transcendence/real-fiction quotes. So for a High 1-B to be one for example, layer-wise, he has to show that each one transcends the last (and not quote-unquote "merely" "infinitely stronger layer" or "massively stronger than previous). Same thing done in 1-A hierarchy on a higher level. Hope it was a bit clear.

2-Please don't derail guys... make another thread if needed.

 

[Planck69]

Also old high 1-A was far weaker and based on mathematics too but nobody called it bad. So idk why it is suddenly bad and ridiculous. It is also your purely subjective opinion.

Everyone called it bad, that's why the system was revised to begin with. And it wasn't based on math but rather being almost omnipotent, before being merged into Tier 0, whose only definition was being above life death, existence etc.

That's the last I'll say on this. The thread can be closed.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

People shouldn't complain about people making jokes about Masada as being derailment only to start talking "Arr, I'm suspicious about this other verse" immediately after. Both are derailment or neither are.

 

[Antvasima]

Done, they were edited as was currently the safe consensus in the thread. An "umbrella" justification so to speak.

Please do note that any further editing and fine-turning will still need a discussion (in another thread I assume) with the supporters to fine-tune exactly where they are in 1-A (are Taiji values layers into 1-A or only higher into baseline for example), the exact wording - if needed - of the relation Singularity-Throne, and other details.

But for now, it is done.

Thank you very much for the help. Would you be willing to start a new revdisions thread for this after we are done here please?

 

[Antvasima]

That makes no sense. The current High 1-A is based on mathematics that quite a few verses already meet the qualifications of. Making it an arbitrary tier just so that more characters qualify is ridiculous.

Not to mention that this isn't the place for discussing this.

I very strongly agree with this. We will definitely not make our tiering system unfathomably smaller just to accommodate the verses that do not qualify. Also, we should stop derailing.

 

[Antvasima]

This should be closed if the edit is done yeah

There are lots of character profile pages to edit, not just the 3 explanations pages for the verse.

 

[Antvasima]

People shouldn't complain about people making jokes about Masada as being derailment only to start talking "Arr, I'm suspicious about this other verse" immediately after. Both are derailment or neither are.

Well, you were the one who brought up the issue of severely downgrading our tiering system as a whole, and that had to be addressed to not get out of hand, but I was also guilty of derailing, yes. I did try to gradually stop the off-topic arguing as well though.

 

[QuasiYuri]

There are lots of character profile pages to edit, not just the 3 explanations pages for the verse.

Weren't they just edited tho?

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

Someone needs to re-edit Hajun.

Someone readded High 1-A

 

[Panpanpanjeidj]

So their 1-A transcendence is appreciated?

 

[Nepuko]

There are lots of character profile pages to edit, not just the 3 explanations pages for the verse.

Oh, not sure if I was unclear, but the character tiers were also edited as asked of me.

As for a new thread, I'm afraid I'm being increasingly busy with real life as exams are pending. And I believe Darksmash will likely be able to do better one than me as he was the one discussing the details with Redgrave, while I was more in the big lines.

But well, if no one come out to do that then I suppose I can make a barebones ones as the next one will be more discussion/rating than really debates. At least I hope so.

@Blue Oof, will re-edit that. They probably should be locked... Edit : nevermind someone already fixed it.

 

[Antvasima]

Weren't they just edited tho?

Well, maybe I misunderstood. It just went a bit quickly to edit so many characters.

Are you completely finished Nepuko?

 

[Antvasima]

Oh, not sure if I was unclear, but their tiers were also edited as asked of me.

As for a new thread, I'm afraid I'm being increasingly busy with real life as exams are pending. And I believe Darksmash will likely be able to do better one than me as he was the one discussing the details with Redgrave, while I was more in the big lines.

But well, if no one come out to do that then I suppose I can make a barebones ones as the next one will be more discussion/rating than really debates. At least I hope so.

Okay. Thank you. I will re-lock the pages then.

Maybe you and Darksmash could collaborate with the revisions thread? Meaning, you start it together, and then he takes over.

 

[Nepuko]

Well, maybe I misunderstood. It just went a bit quickly to edit so many characters.

Are you completely finished Nepuko?

The power of Ctrl+F

And yes, I completely finished what should be edited as of the current thread progression.

Edit : And sure for the collaboration.

 

[Antvasima]

This page has not been updated:

Shinza Banshou Explanation Page

1 General Information 2 Die Ewigkeit 2.1 Holy Relic 2.2 Levels of Die Ewigkeit 3 Distortion 3.1 Degrees of distortion 4 Taikyoku 4.1 Levels of Taikyoku 5 Throne 6 Hadou Gods 7 Gudou Gods 8 Apoptosis 9 Singularity 10 Sensory 11 List of Powers and Abilities In Shinza, the cornerstone of power is...

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[Nepuko]

This page has not been updated:

Shinza Banshou Explanation Page

1 General Information 2 Die Ewigkeit 2.1 Holy Relic 2.2 Levels of Die Ewigkeit 3 Distortion 3.1 Degrees of distortion 4 Taikyoku 4.1 Levels of Taikyoku 5 Throne 6 Hadou Gods 7 Gudou Gods 8 Apoptosis 9 Singularity 10 Sensory 11 List of Powers and Abilities In Shinza, the cornerstone of power is...

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This is because it didn't need to, Ant. The downgrade doesn't affect what's currently written there. What could potentially affect it would be the subsequent dicussion about the details with the supporters. In the 3 Shinza pages, only a single line (and one word) had to be changed because of the downgrade.

 

[Antvasima]

The power of Ctrl+F

And yes, I completely finished what should be edited as of the current thread progression.

Edit : And sure for the collaboration.

Thank you for helping out. I appreciate it.

 

[Antvasima]

This is because it didn't need to, Ant. The downgrade doesn't affect what's currently written there. What could potentially affect it would be the subsequent dicussion about the details with the supporters. In the 3 Shinza pages, only a single line (and one word) had to be changed because of the downgrade.

Okay. Then it should be fine. I will just verify if the profile pages seem acceptable.

 

[Nepuko]

Okay. Then it should be fine. I will just verify if the profile pages seem acceptable.

Thank you. One thing I missed though(sorry) is in Habaki Sakagami's profile page :

Habaki Sakagami

Habaki Sakagami is the main protagonist alongside Rindou in the visual novel Kajiri Kamui Kagura. He and 7 other people (Rindou, Keishirou, Sakuya, Mibu, Shiori, Ryuusui and Madara) are sent on an expedition to drive the demons from the east. Tier: At least 7-B, likely 7-A, Varies, potentially...

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As a Gudou God, Habaki exists completely above and external to all expansions of the Singularity - of which size corresponds to the inner depth of the Throne God, reaching up to infinite levels each transcending the last - which in turn utterly transcends the Multiverse, no matter the qualitative dimensions/layers it may have.

Can you please remove the underlined part? It will be part of what would be later discussed, so current profile pages I believe should have the safeball justification. It was removed in other profiles, only this one was missed.

 

[Antvasima]

It seems like the Striking Strength ratings are written wrong according to our standard conventions:

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If I unlock the pages again, is somebody willing to handle it please?

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you. One thing I missed though(sorry) is in Habaki Sakagami's profile page :

Can you please remove the underlined part? It will be part of what would be later discussed, so current profile pages I believe should have the safeball justification.

It seems better if you check through the pages and remove anything inappropriate in conjunction with that I unlock them.

 

[Nepuko]

It seems like the Striking Strength ratings are written wrong according to our standard conventions:

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If I unlock the pages again, is somebody willing to handle it please?

Are all profiles that way? Well, if so then I might as well do it. Sure. As you can understand I was more focusing on making High Outer into Outer, so I didn't pay attention to the original format that was in, if it has to be High Outerversal instead of High Outerverse, etc.

Edit : Sorry will have to go right now.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I will unlock the pages again for you to edit then. Thank you.

Tell me here when you are done.

 

[Infera28]

Why still same explaination is used in profiles?

Outerverse level (As a Hadō God, Reinhard exists completely above and external to all expansions of the Singularity - of which size corresponds to the inner depth of the Throne God

Wasn't this refused in thread?

 

[PsychoWarper]

The explanation wasnt refuted, it giving H1A was. At least I think thats how it was.

Anyway im out, dm if yall make the Taiji 1-A thread.

 

[ZERO7772]

From what I understand, this being a valid reason for High 1-A was rejected, whatever this applies or not to the 1-A tier is a discussion for another time.

 

[Nepuko]

Why still same explaination is used in profiles?

Outerverse level (As a Hadō God, Reinhard exists completely above and external to all expansions of the Singularity - of which size corresponds to the inner depth of the Throne God

Wasn't this refused in thread?

What was refuted was that they transcend the singularity with R>F difference, and the Singularity having infinite 1-A layers being very unstable and debatable. Gods actually being beyond any "default" Singularity was actually accepted. The further procedures of that will have to be discussed later. (Darksmash is going to make the thread).

But if "external" bothers you and raises issues I can remove it while I'm at it.

 

[Antvasima]

Let's not remove more than is warranted and agreed please.

 

[Infera28]

What was refuted was that they transcend the singularity with R>F difference, and the Singularity having infinite 1-A layers being very unstable and debatable. Gods actually being beyond any "default" Singularity was actually accepted. The further procedures of that will have to be discussed later. (Darksmash is going to make the thread).

But if "external" bothers you and raises issues I can remove it while I'm at it.

No need to removing then. It is fine.

I thought that taiji being beyond "all extensions of the Singularity" was refused too.