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Yeah, but Sirius getting a profile may never happen.
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Shinza banshou discussion thread~Revival~
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I don't think Moksha would inherently grant a higher tier of power, besides the being that "generates" it. For example, Sirius in Avesta should have a kind of different tier cause his Hado does work like Moksha. Tho, I have to read Avesta for myself.
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Why? Technically, Avesta should be easier to translate than K3.
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Well, that's not wrong lol.
Although Hajun being the Throne God is already something that shouldn't have been possible to begin with, so it's not surprising.
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I didn't say they would get a higher tier, tho. Keishirou got weaker after reaching it.
Sirius' Hado is enforcing Moshka, but it would be different from himself yeah.
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You have to pay for it, while K3 can be cracked.
"Obscure" verses kinda suffer from this, since people will mostly just watch/read the free stuff.
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Does someone have Yakou file?
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Doesn't it say that Yakou's ability is to control the physical phenomenon, rather than rewrite them?Gyazo
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Masada really does not care about vs debating. Somewhere in the story he said that the power that could destroy the mountains destroyed the 25-dimensional barriers or the 1-B gods used stars, supernova and black holes to fight. That's why those who tell Masada on Twitter to make verse stronger are really stupid.
By piercing her soul, he caused emotions to enter her, and this was in contradiction with Gudou's independent nature. So this led Marie to gradually realize her true craving and become Hadou.
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It is possible for someone to buy Avesta light novels and then illegally post them on the Internet for download. This has already happened to countless other novels.
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its ez to read the things ilegally lmfao, but I dont think that Avesta is that famous to have enough people publishing it ilegally
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Ah yes, "nice job fixing it villain" trope.
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Anyway, that eldritch abomination thing called Naraka is stronger then hajun, right?
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Not sure, but it should be. From what I saw, it's not necessarily strong, but more or less crafty to the point where Merc's scheming nature was stated by Masada to possibly come from Naraka itself. But yes, it does exist above the Gods and was toying with them the whole time (besides maybe Mithra). And, for additional stuff, Hajun briefly saw them due to how strong his third eye is, but was unable to comprehend them at all, so it's very likely that they were far above Hajun.
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Wasnt the Narakas almost inconprehensible even to Hajun and Hajun only could notice their existance?
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There are two narakas in shinza
1. The five who were friends with mithra and took the name of naraka after fusing with the throne
2. The original naraka, some kind of eldritch abomination that was sealed into the throne, and made the five go mad by seeing it. It also radiated out the curse of immortality in pre throne era .
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say, if taikyoku is an absolute difference in power, with higher taikyoku being higher dimensional, wouldn't that mean that at east naraka is 1-A? (Transcending infinite taikyoku)
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Hajun doesn't have infinite taikyoku, he has immeasurable.
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It's likely something extremely close to infinite, but not necessarily infinite.
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No finite number is close to infinite lol
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Hajun doesn't have a finite value. His value has been stated to being beyond a numerical value. It's not just infinitely rising.
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Scans of that?
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Mostly from Pantheon, but it also being referred to as impossible to measure.
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彼は生まれつきぎ、自分の体内に双子の兄弟が独合していた奇形腫持ち。一人になりたいという願いの深さは、常人の尺度で測りきれるものではない。
Translation refers to it as being beyond human measurement.
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Basically calling it impossible
Atwiki says similar things such as being impossible to measure and beyond the highest value, tho that's not too impressive cause the highest value is supposed to be 100.
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And obviously, the whole endlessly/infinitely expanding Taikyoku
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Nothing contradict the fact that it is just ad infinitum, which is impossible to measure.
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Yuri, Correct me if I'm wrong but shinza cosmology doesn't have 24 higher dimensions and the main reason the verse was considered 1A was because of their Taikyoku being above any kind of expansions to the cosmology Mainly the lowest floor, no matter how many dimensions are present they'll remain above it. At least that's what I grasped after reading the Upgrade thread done an year ago. And the verse was considered high 1A because of some transcendence shit they had with singularity and the throne, and not because the lowest floor of cosmology had "24D higher dimensions" or whatever.
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Eh, ig but something that’s rising constantly can still be temporarily measured, hajun’s value is completely beyond that
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Yes this was the reason
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yeah, but naraka is completely beyond the concept of taikyoku, so....
BTW, how tf is naraka so strong? They just got implemented into the throne by mithra, and that's it. Why tf are those 5 edgy teens so much stronger then hadou gods who can easily destroy the throne.
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Because people lowball the Throne despite it litteraly being able to kill unworthy gods by itself and coe.
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The thing supposed to prove that was the presence of higher dimensions in the world, otherwise it would have been like Low 1-C. Since you wouldn't be able to say "they transcend even the possibility of higher dimensions" without proof that they exist in the world.
There's a reason why it was an important part of Ravenous' thread.
High 1-A was based on the invention that every single god was "above every expansion of the Singularity" (which for reference, is the same as saying every single gods transcend Hajun).
Also there's no real "lowest floor", that's a term they invented to describe the world.
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btw, where did we get that the layers of singularity transcend each other? is it because singularity of a higher taiji is infinitely bigger then singularity of lower taiji?
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Ravenous' interpretation was something like "since the Singularity is based on a god's power, and gods transcend each others (it was before Darkmash's revision) it has to mean that every new singularity transcend the other one'
The thread didn't really use the Singularity layers (which even now would only be a proof of "likely 1-B") but instead created the idea that "there's new Singularities that holds R/F diff over the previous ones".
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Isn't the throne thing a recton? Pretty sure Rein and Merc were destroying parts of the throne space during their fight.
Also unless this was another lie, KKK states that Hajun can nuke the throne along with everything in existence no?
In Pantheon, Hadou of all sudden are treated as inferior to the observers
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There is no such thing as "close to infinite"
You are either infinite or not. Hajun's "immeasurable" value refers to his value consistently raising instead of it being "oh beyond math numbers"
For compression, Escanor from Nanatsu no Taizai is also given "immeasurable" as a measurement for his power, but it simply means that he has no set level of power and it's always going higher/lower.
This wiki used to exaggerated Hajun's power as it did with everything else in the verse. He's the strongest Hadou by a long shot, but not to the absurd degree as some old members made it out to be.
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It's more that the Throne exist as two separated things.
You have the Throne as a "physical object", and the Shinza System, with Naraka shit and all. The physical structure could be seen as a manifestation or something, since the Throne's function even include fully copying the gods depending of who's on it.
For example Rein and Merc destroyed the "physical one" (although it seemingly repaired itself), but they obviously didn't do shit to Naraka. I would say that it is kind of a glass cannon in that way, because it actually gives a good chunk of abilities to the God who sit on it (some that we misattribut(ed) as a god thing in general).
Also the thing about the Throne being able to directly kill the unworthy in some way was used in K3, so it wouldn't be retconned.
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So the Hadou adjusting the throne to support their own weight was a lie then?
It's hard to deny that the throne > Gods at this point.
I wonder if Naraka would have stepped in if things went too out of control in KKK.
It's funny how even if Hajun killed the whole cast he still wouldn't achieve his goal of being alone.
It's hard to deny that the throne > Gods at this point.
I wonder if Naraka would have stepped in if things went too out of control in KKK.
It's funny how even if Hajun killed the whole cast he still wouldn't achieve his goal of being alone.
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It's more the Throne that is actually granting gods the ability to create Sensory because the world can't handle their "weight" (although I only remember when it was said for Hajun).
It would be "They can do stuff to the Throne, but not the deeper part of the System".
The EE discussing if they should shut down the Shinza System would have been part of what kicks Pantheon's plot too iirc.
Naraka already plotted K3 stuff through Sukuna, as shown in the story of Ryuumei.
