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Guys, wasn't there a statement saying the singularity is simply undefinable as the laws of physics simply does not exist?
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Shinza banshou discussion thread~Revival~
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Despite being referred to as “place”, It is utterly impossible to define the Singularity due to its abstract nature: the laws of physics simply do not exist in the Singularity, and all of creation are mixed there, side by side - be it past, present or future. Thus, the process of “drilling” can be compared to “falling” to nowhere.
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Yup
No laws exists in a singularity, it is the blank canvas
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It refers to the fact that it isn't actually painted over when there's a God in charge. I think even DI has this statement.
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No, is it directly called undefinable?
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Cause it can act as a strong supporting statement if you guys wanna eventually upgrade characters to tier 1-A.
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Can you elaborate better?
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One of the reason the swirl of the root is 1-A is because it is indescribable and undefinable. So the singularity being called an undefinable realm would be a strong supporting statement for 1-A.
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Just alone? Nah it won't qualify. tbh the root should also not qualify, slapping 1A on everything that cannot be described by words is well something that is wrong. it should be in the confines of the said verse.
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The Root has way different reasons tbh.
Besides in-game interactions with the Singularity goes against it.
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Read the OP for the root upgrade and it was
- there are higher D in the verse
- the root is inacessible by those in the verse even those higher Dimensional beings
- It cannot be described by words (this been the major reason)
The people who interacted with the singularity in-game scales to it, so this is not really a problem
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"Cannot be described by words" is nothing by itself. You can have it as a tier 9.
What mattered was the infinity talked at some point, not what you said.
Most don't actually. That's the point.
+The Gods are still the reason why there's RF diff for dimensions so it directly shows that the Singularity is still affected by that.
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infinity was talked about? I can't seem to find that
the only thing was that it is outside time and space and all boundaries.
I see nothing about infinity and also infinity in which context?
Everyone who uses Taiji scales to the singularity, or what are you talking about? Can you explain
And the Gods are not the only reason why there is a RF for dimensions, in PL the normal dimensions there also have something similar.
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That's litteraly in the CRT. Like that's the most important thing and the only reason I agreed with it to some extent.
The Singularity changes depending on the Throne God. That's more of a Throne feature like creating Sensory than a God thing.
Just piercing holes to it wouldn't really work as scaling to the full thing.
They exist but don't hold a RF diff w/o K3's statement.
Also the Sephiroth is similar to the Singularity in nature according to Masada so it wouldn't help much.
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sorry, the thread is below and i just checked the OP again and i cannot really find what you talked about
the singularity depth changes depending on the throne God, the nature of the singularity has always remained the same.
but yeah I agree piercing a hole in it should not really be a feat for anyone, I dont think anyone scales based on piercing a hole in the singularity in the first place
Actually they do hold something similar to RF, higher D cannot exist in lower D and they need avatars to exists there, and lower D can never harm Higher D without an attack powered by the same level of existence or higher.
This is the first i am hearing of it tbh
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This comment
That's very arguable given how the 2nd Heaven seem to have the Sephiroth instead.
Not sure abt the former since it wasn't really abt this as far as I know. Also dudes were able to go higher in the Sephiroth without turning into high power beings or whatev.
I'm pretty sure that I brought itup in several threads; but anyway you can check it in the Q&A last pages.
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That is a pretty ridiculous idea, since even humans are capable of interacting with and touching the root despite type 5 acausality or being inaccessible. Singularity can be only be interacted by gods as far as i know.
PAinto12 is there any statement directly calling singularity undefinable?
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Saw that, phew bad translation
I dont see anything here referring to the root above infinity in any context to spatial dimensions of some sort,
It was talking about them been imprisoned in an infinite space(prison) and she severed it so they can escape.
The only one i found that can be used is this
but that says nothing in a cosmology tiering sense.
well Masada said he is supposed to redo PL, he may be referring to that
Do you mean Sataniel? he is the only one who did that to my knowledge(he was able to affect the sephiroth) but then again he was born with a naturally powerful sin, something stronger than anything else in the world. Also all the guys that could somehow affect Higher D was due to getting greater sin and also mainly powered by Sataniel.
I will check it out
well when Ren was falling through he made some comments similar to that, like where he said someone like Machina cannot even do anything here, I cannot remember words he used to describe it in that situation but it is something that says we cant describe it. but someone like Ren should be able to comprehend the Singularity, you will need statements from an ordinary humans for it to hold better weight.
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closest i can find to begin called undefinable.
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Yup that’s what I was referring to there are some also in KKK and also more in DI
But what would be best is if someone who does not scale to it in any form trying to describe it
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Pretty sure Avesta also refers to it as some kind of abstract thing
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Well shit happens
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Did you read any of the Masada works?
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It kinda does if you take into account Ferdows and the "Zeroty Heaven". But even then it was a geometrical thing.
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I want to follow the series, only someone said that the VN language is difficult to understand, especially since I'm not very good at Japanese
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you can just start with DI and its kids. they are in english
Start with
Dies Irae Amentes Amentes
Dies Irae Song to the witch
Dies Irae Interview with Kaziklu bey
they are all on YT except Song to the witch which is a novel
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People honestly overestimate the difficulty of Kajiri Kamui Kagura.
Only a tiny percentage of Kajiri Kamui Kagura can be actually called "difficult" where it spits out Sutra or Kanbun (which are ancient Chinese characters that are dead). Still, even then, you can Google the meanings.
There are occasional Yojijukugo words, but these are easily fetchable using Google or a mouse-over dictionary.
It might be more "difficult" than a slice of life/romance type of Japanese media.
But it is not something most people in this sub think that even the Japanese natives have trouble with.
Sure there are its moments like I mentioned. But overall, it is not impossible to do.
This game expands and stretches your vocabulary a lot.
Please stop if you are using Duolingo or Lingodeer, or any other "language learning" app/service(s).
Not trying to be arrogant or sound narcissistic. Those services ARE not ideal for learning a language. They don't even "teach" you anything.
The best way to learn a language is by using the input methodology.
Meaning reading lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of Japanese materials because those are resources made by Japanese for Japanese natives.
Even read/watch a funny and cute romance manga, novel, or anime.
Each time you expose yourself to that target language. You are subconsciously acquiring that language, sucking it into your brain.
Many online guides guide you on where and how to start learning Japanese.
P.S. If you're a ********* like me, you'll probably mine some rare ass words that are barely used in everyday Japanese, be prepared because it will tear you a new one at the rear end.
Not a Japanese learning Guru, nor am I perfect at Japanese (I still have a long, long way to be "perfect"), but simply giving out tips on what I did to read something like Kajiri Kamui Kagura/Dies Irae comfortably with minimal dictionary lookups.
Not trying to be arrogant or sound narcissistic. Those services ARE not ideal for learning a language. They don't even "teach" you anything.
The best way to learn a language is by using the input methodology.
Meaning reading lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of Japanese materials because those are resources made by Japanese for Japanese natives.
Even read/watch a funny and cute romance manga, novel, or anime.
Each time you expose yourself to that target language. You are subconsciously acquiring that language, sucking it into your brain.
Many online guides guide you on where and how to start learning Japanese.
- Avoid "Japanese learning" apps.
- DON'T "learn" isolated Kanji for reading! Waste of time. Not only do all of the kanjis have different readings depending on the context and whether there is another kanji beside it or not. It's a waste of time, and you could spend that time reading books!
- Learn Hiragana and Katakana (legit, drill that shit into your brain, this is the alphabet of Japanese).
- Start learning basic grammar using Imabi, Tae Kim, or Cure Dolly.
- Start reading novels/manga/ for children (with a digital dictionary open beside your web browser tab)
- Once you feel somewhat comfortable reading, start reading rom/com visual novels like Hanabira or anything that's a slice of life type of genre.
- Start moving your way up to more complex types of visual novels/novels.
P.S. If you're a ********* like me, you'll probably mine some rare ass words that are barely used in everyday Japanese, be prepared because it will tear you a new one at the rear end.
Not a Japanese learning Guru, nor am I perfect at Japanese (I still have a long, long way to be "perfect"), but simply giving out tips on what I did to read something like Kajiri Kamui Kagura/Dies Irae comfortably with minimal dictionary lookups.
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PrinceofPein
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Would contact you soon on discord
I’ve been coming along well
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Wait, when was it ever referred to as "geometrical"? I don't remember a single statement referring to it as geometric
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When Ferdows was turned into... this thing Magsarion killed.
Also just to add to Chasekilleen's Roadmap (as complete as good btw), I dont think stuff like Duolingo are necessarily bad.
If all you need is to review a kanji or theme over and over, it is in my opinion better than flashcards which are suuper annoying.
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If you need to learn to write Kanji, use something like Remember The Kanji, plus the Anki deck of that Remember The Kanji may be ideal. But that's not necessary if you want to go live in Japan. If you solely wish to grab the comprehension of the language itself. The best solution is to use Anki flashcards and make unknown vocabulary words into flashcards.
For example, my Anki flashcard has the vocabulary word at the front, the reading (in Hiragana), and the Japanese definition at the back, paired with an example screenshot and audio.
It only takes 3 seconds to click on the add button on the Yomichan dictionary and a hotkey to capture the screenshot of the sentence which contains the unknown vocabulary. There is a script that allows you to paste that screenshot into Anki automatically as soon as the latest vocabulary word and screenshot are captured. Incredibly fast.
My Anki card example is at the bottom.
EDIT: I still need to purchase the 3rd volume of Avesta of Black and White
I got the first two chapters already.
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Scan? Not really familiar with that statement
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When you are finally debating with that one troll on an even ground.
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How is the blog going guys?
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mind if i come? I am Bestman
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anyone Is allowed
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- By identifying the planet as the Sephirot of Malkuth, one who has a way to manipulate its ley lines can access higher dimensions. >「第五元素(クウィンテセンス)を埋め込むことで、径(パス)から高次のセフィラへと干渉できる。とはいえ大罪を宿す私では、アビスの重力に引かれて王冠までは行けないが……」 >This part here states that by having Quintessence one can use the paths of the Sephirot to access these higher dimensions and thus utilize the energy that comes from it. It is also stated here that the weight of Satanel's Sin, which is heavy and deep enough to pierce beyond Judecca (the Throne of the Abyss), creates a sort of "gravity" on Satanel that pulls him down and away from entering Keter. >「高次接続装置(テスタメント)、並びに熾天使(セラフ)らの連結が完了しました。お戻りください」 「当初の目的はジュデッカを始めとする賎民達の反乱。あれを憂いた上での慈悲だったが、あのような結果になったのはある種の天啓と言えるだろう」 「私が開発したテスタメントは、ある特殊な周波数帯における人体の新陳代謝、及び感情統制の乱れを誘発し、これを事実上支配できる。それをもって彼の地で足掻く者たちを洗脳することが初期の目的だったのだが、結果がどうなったかは御老方も知っていよう」 「現段階での次元突破率は、８７．３６９％。王冠(ケテル)への相転移は未だ成功していませんが、慈悲(ケセド)と知識(ダアト)を経て、奈落(アビス)へ至ることならば可能です」
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