Shiba's feat calc (For Content Revision)

[RoggerReggor]

Verse: Youkoso Jitsuryoku Shijou Shugi no Kyoushitsu e

Calc here: Shiba throws a punch faster than the sound.

Already seen by a member of the calc group, please tell me your views.

 

[MorrisHatesYou]

If it's valid then Koenji should scale to it or at least get "possibly" or "likely" key as he's illustrated as the "superior" or "great" character.

 

[RoggerReggor]

If it's valid then Koenji should scale to it or at least get "possibly" or "likely" key as he's illustrated as the "superior" or "great" character.

Well, I don't think of it as that exactly. Koenji is said to be equal to Ayanokoji in physical strength in a match of tug of war, so that applies to lifting strength I guess. But I do think that Koenji should be at least superhuman, considering how he easily killed a wild boar with his bare hands, which are superhuman in speed. BTW, do you agree with the calc?

 

[MorrisHatesYou]

Well, I don't think of it as that exactly. Koenji is said to be equal to Ayanokoji in physical strength in a match of tug of war, so that applies to lifting strength I guess. But I do think that Koenji should be at least superhuman, considering how he easily killed a wild boar with his bare hands, which are superhuman in speed. BTW, do you agree with the calc?

Koenji has some shit going on with him, that's why I said he should atleast get the keys i mentioned as he's narratively shown as the "superior" character, but I guess we'd have to wait him to get more revealed.

About the calc, I don't have much opinion, I used to be very sceptical of it, preferably, I'd wait for the anime to see how it sounds, but for now, I'd say I'm leaning towards agreement. If calc group members agree with it, I have no problem with it.

 

[Shiroyashaaa]

Yeah calc seems fine. Tsuki and Shiba should also scale to this

 

[RoggerReggor]

Yeah calc seems fine. Tsuki and Shiba should also scale to this

Alright, do you think we can use this to scale AP too? As Shiba actually punched?
Average male upper-limb mass is 3.9 kg.
The calc suggested by a member of the calc group was at 401.31 m/s.
Can the AP ultimately be 0.5*3.9*401.31*401.31 = 314046.946 J or 314.046946 kJ?

 

[Second22]

Alright, do you think we can use this to scale AP too? As Shiba actually punched?
Average male upper-limb mass is 3.2 kg.
The calc suggested by a member of the calc group was at 401.31 m/s.
Can the AP ultimately be 0.5*3.2*401.31*401.31 = 257679.546 J or 257.679546 kJ?

Kinetic Energy based on Movement Speed is case by case: Fiction often treats the speed with which a character can move himself as unrelated to their attack power. As such feats like just running or carrying a small object, like another character, should only be used if the fiction has made clear that the speed of the movement correlates to the character's power or if the character uses the fast moving object to attack. Calculating the energy necessary for moving large structures at great speeds, using the speed things move as a secondary effect of an attack, throwing objects at great speeds etc. are all acceptable methods of quantifying a characters power regardless.

 

[RoggerReggor]

Ok, so the KE calcs cannot be used then. Do you think the speed calcs are fine?

 

[Second22]

If you're asking for my opinion, I'm still not sure if the context is really about the speed of sound, but I don't have any arguments at the moment. Let's just say I'm neutral.

 

[Clout5560]

I Agree with the Calc. I've seen a couple of Calcs for this feat but I think it's valid.

 

[Borntoshid]

I don't agree, I know I didn't read the light novel, but it could be a hyperbole

 

[Clout5560]

I don't agree, I know I didn't read the light novel, but it could be a hyperbole

Once again, whether or not you personally acknowledge the characters as being supersonic is inconsequential. The crucial point is that within the context of the verse, it has already been widely accepted and established. However, if you wish to present a counterargument, you are free to create a detailed thread outlining your reasoning. Ultimately, the scaling and power levels within the verse, as well as the categorization of the World Record students, will continue to remain at the supersonic level unless a compelling case is made to alter it (though my personal investment in the scaling of Cote is minimal).

To support this assertion, let's consider the evidence. Shiba's ability to create a sound delay with his fist indicates a clear sonic boom occurrence. This event has been acknowledged and accepted by two calculation group members who specialize in determining scaling and power levels. Therefore, Ichika's comparison to Shiba holds merit since it is explicitly stated that she could engage in a toe-to-toe fight with him. The reason she didn't do so was because the pain inflicted by Shiba intensifies when he catches his opponents.

Regarding the suggestion that Ayanokouji's statement about Shiba's delayed fist could be hyperbolic, it lacks plausibility. It's difficult to comprehend why such a statement would be exaggerated or treated as mere hyperbole. Not everything mentioned in light novels should be automatically dismissed as hyperbolic. It is crucial to carefully analyze the context and evaluate the feasibility of the given information.

Furthermore, your admission of not having read the light novel diminishes the weight of your input regarding the series' ratings. A deep understanding of the feats and events is crucial in accurately assessing the power scaling and character abilities within a specific series.

Regarding the mentioned feat involving Ichika, I acknowledge that it may face scrutiny and potential removal. However, it's important to note that the overall rating of the characters may not change significantly since the primary reason for Ichika's placement is her scaling to the supersonic level alongside Shiba.

Lastly, the feat in question has already undergone extensive discussion and received acceptance from multiple members who participate in such evaluations. Additionally, the ratings adjustment for Ichika Amasawa and Takuya Yagami has been agreed upon. I suggest focusing on shows and series that you possess a thorough understanding of, as it will enhance the quality and credibility of your contributions

 

[Borntoshid]

oh

 

[blatgotyahat]

Once again, whether or not you personally acknowledge the characters as being supersonic is inconsequential. The crucial point is that within the context of the verse, it has already been widely accepted and established. However, if you wish to present a counterargument, you are free to create a detailed thread outlining your reasoning. Ultimately, the scaling and power levels within the verse, as well as the categorization of the World Record students, will continue to remain at the supersonic level unless a compelling case is made to alter it (though my personal investment in the scaling of Cote is minimal).

To support this assertion, let's consider the evidence. Shiba's ability to create a sound delay with his fist indicates a clear sonic boom occurrence. This event has been acknowledged and accepted by two calculation group members who specialize in determining scaling and power levels. Therefore, Ichika's comparison to Shiba holds merit since it is explicitly stated that she could engage in a toe-to-toe fight with him. The reason she didn't do so was because the pain inflicted by Shiba intensifies when he catches his opponents.

Regarding the suggestion that Ayanokouji's statement about Shiba's delayed fist could be hyperbolic, it lacks plausibility. It's difficult to comprehend why such a statement would be exaggerated or treated as mere hyperbole. Not everything mentioned in light novels should be automatically dismissed as hyperbolic. It is crucial to carefully analyze the context and evaluate the feasibility of the given information.

Furthermore, your admission of not having read the light novel diminishes the weight of your input regarding the series' ratings. A deep understanding of the feats and events is crucial in accurately assessing the power scaling and character abilities within a specific series.

Regarding the mentioned feat involving Ichika, I acknowledge that it may face scrutiny and potential removal. However, it's important to note that the overall rating of the characters may not change significantly since the primary reason for Ichika's placement is her scaling to the supersonic level alongside Shiba.

Lastly, the feat in question has already undergone extensive discussion and received acceptance from multiple members who participate in such evaluations. Additionally, the ratings adjustment for Ichika Amasawa and Takuya Yagami has been agreed upon. I suggest focusing on shows and series that you possess a thorough understanding of, as it will enhance the quality and credibility of your contributions

Using the "delay" translation is dumb because RoyalMTLS made an official translation. The "delay" thingy was a mistranslation which was MTL the real translation said:

"For the umpteenth time, I took evasive action to get away from Tsukishiro. The sound of Shiba's fist, swung slightly later, reaches my ears dryly"

was RoyalMTL translation. When u use the whole context of the fight the japanese raw translation mentions "slight delay" when u take the sentences separately, but when u use the whole context:

The phrase "僅かに遅れて" can be translated as "slightly delayed" when u take the sentences separately. but when u consider the whole context and the subsequent phrase "振りぬかれた" (thrown aside), the translation would be "barely audible" or "faintly" to describe the sound of Shiba's fists which means there wasnt a delay. This is because it suggests that the Kojis counterattack was interrupted and Shibas attack and his fists were thrown aside almost instantly and koji heard it "faintly".

 

[Borntoshid]

Ye

 

[RoggerReggor]

Once again, whether or not you personally acknowledge the characters as being supersonic is inconsequential. The crucial point is that within the context of the verse, it has already been widely accepted and established. However, if you wish to present a counterargument, you are free to create a detailed thread outlining your reasoning. Ultimately, the scaling and power levels within the verse, as well as the categorization of the World Record students, will continue to remain at the supersonic level unless a compelling case is made to alter it (though my personal investment in the scaling of Cote is minimal).

To support this assertion, let's consider the evidence. Shiba's ability to create a sound delay with his fist indicates a clear sonic boom occurrence. This event has been acknowledged and accepted by two calculation group members who specialize in determining scaling and power levels. Therefore, Ichika's comparison to Shiba holds merit since it is explicitly stated that she could engage in a toe-to-toe fight with him. The reason she didn't do so was because the pain inflicted by Shiba intensifies when he catches his opponents.

Regarding the suggestion that Ayanokouji's statement about Shiba's delayed fist could be hyperbolic, it lacks plausibility. It's difficult to comprehend why such a statement would be exaggerated or treated as mere hyperbole. Not everything mentioned in light novels should be automatically dismissed as hyperbolic. It is crucial to carefully analyze the context and evaluate the feasibility of the given information.

Furthermore, your admission of not having read the light novel diminishes the weight of your input regarding the series' ratings. A deep understanding of the feats and events is crucial in accurately assessing the power scaling and character abilities within a specific series.

Regarding the mentioned feat involving Ichika, I acknowledge that it may face scrutiny and potential removal. However, it's important to note that the overall rating of the characters may not change significantly since the primary reason for Ichika's placement is her scaling to the supersonic level alongside Shiba.

Lastly, the feat in question has already undergone extensive discussion and received acceptance from multiple members who participate in such evaluations. Additionally, the ratings adjustment for Ichika Amasawa and Takuya Yagami has been agreed upon. I suggest focusing on shows and series that you possess a thorough understanding of, as it will enhance the quality and credibility of your contributions

Bro wrote an entire COTE volume.

 

[GoldenScorpions]

What's the verdict of this? Didn't Agnaa not agree with the calc in the comments?

 

[RoggerReggor]

What's the verdict of this? Didn't Agnaa not agree with the calc in the comments?

What are you saying? Someone with an account named "Blatgotyahat" mentioned that one of the interpretations can be "with a thud", and Agnaa himself interpreted "with a dry sound" even when the punch didn't hit Ayanokouji. If you guys are willing to, I will debate...

 

[GoldenScorpions]

Hm? I mean I looked at the comments and read the discussion, and Agnaa doesn't seem to agree.

Also, both Agnaa and Blatgotyahat (in his second-to-last comment) said that, given the context of the whole fight, it wouldn't be translated as "thud", and that there wasn't any delay.

 

[RoggerReggor]

Hm? I mean I looked at the comments and read the discussion, and Agnaa doesn't seem to agree.

Stop sending the screenshots as they suit you.
Agnaa also mentioned that the sound created can even be a thud, and it didn't seem to be near the level of sound which can be created by a punch failing to land either.

Not only that, but Clout even reached out to Agnaa in his message walls and made him confused more.
MTL translation isn't actually always a "mistranslation". Thanks to Blatgotyahat, he did mention that it can talk about a "thud" too.

One translation hinting to that direction should be likely enough to stop this, I guess?

 

[GoldenScorpions]

The messages you are showing are older. I was going by their most recent conclusions, which is "it doesn't have a thud".
In their 2nd-to-last messages, they mention it

 

[GoldenScorpions]

My point is that, to be certain, you should probably ask Agnaa to confirm or not what his stance is. Because he didn't say he agreed to the calculation, it's vague.

 

[RoggerReggor]

My point is that, to be certain, you should probably ask Agnaa to confirm or not what his stance is. Because he didn't say he agreed to the calculation, it's vague.

Cloud did ask him in his message walls, but you can, if you want (you already did).

 

[blatgotyahat]

Hm? I mean I looked at the comments and read the discussion, and Agnaa doesn't seem to agree.

Also, both Agnaa and Blatgotyahat (in his second-to-last comment) said that, given the context of the whole fight, it wouldn't be translated as "thud", and that there wasn't any delay.

Yeah, i said later on "then when they checked/edited the the whole volume they removed the delay thing and few more things to make the translation more fitting and correct.
"The Japanese doesn't include a thud either, idk why that was included"



I mentioned how it could be interpreted multiple ways because of the context. If I use the whole context of the fight it wouldnt have a "thud" in it. Ayanokouji states:



"I sensed a cold presence on the back of my neck, forcing me to interrupt my counterattack. Evading once again, I took action to escape from Tsukishiro. The sound of Shibas fists being thrown was barely audible, dryly reaching my ears. It would be unwise to engage in a reckless exchange of blows"

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When you try to translate japanese light novels and especially that moment "a thud" looks accurate but if you use the whole context of the fight thud isnt 100% accurate, but looks like it.

RoyalMTL uploaded the official and real translation of y2v4 with japanese/english editors and the official translation is:

"The sound of shibas fists, swung slightly later, reaches my ears dryly."

Implying he senses Shibas punch right after Tsukishiros

 

[Hira]

Couplet : Youkoso Jitsuryoku Shijou Shugi no Kyoushitsu e

Calc ici : Shiba lance un coup de poing plus vite que le son.

Déjà vu par un membre du groupe calc, merci de me donner votre avis.

hey where is the debunk please?