Shibai Ōtsutsuki Profile Creation

[KaydeeX]

Possibly Low 2-C should be fair
There is a good chance of the statement just being as it’s stated, and there’s a good argument against it, you can’t just dismiss the former.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I disagree with this and i don't think the comparism is fair. It's not the fact that since he's a god then he should scale to another god. Lore wise we are told that a requirement to completely wield omnipotence to its max a peerless being like an otsusuki God is required. If creating a universe is something omnipotence has in fact done in the past, then someone who has the power to wield omnipotence to its max should be able to replicate such coz you know max means to the highest point the power could be weld. This should warrant at least a likely or possibly rating

Peerless is in reference to the people in the normal plane (the non ascended). When they talk about wielding Omnipotence with elevated efficiency they’re talking about how Eida needs an activation key (Kawaki/an Otsutsuki) while Shibai would able to just use it.

Perhaps the biggest point of all though is that no where is it accepted or established that Omnipotence is doing anything on a universal scale. It’s accepted to have created innumerable planets. So, there’s still no universal creation feat in this discussion.

 

[JohnHendrix212]

"possibly Solar System level (Shibai should possibly be above everything else presented in the verse as before he ultimately transcended his physical body, he must've compiled a less than one fruit differential of power between his God form and his Human form"

Change "Human form" to "Mortal form" since he wasn't really human.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Cope and seethe Either way I plan on creating a different CRT immediately after this to tackle low 2C shibai. adieu

I'm sure the arguments that got rejected and debunked in this thread will end up getting accepted 5 days later in a different thread…

 

[Robo432343]

arguing about low 2-c shibai in this thread counts as derailing

 

[JohnHendrix212]

The bottomline is that we simply need more evidence for HDE and him being 4D/5D. Right now, the statements about him neither allude to or deny it, which is far too ambiguous.

Don't worry, I'm sure we'll get another statement for him within the decade.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Peerless is in reference to the people in the normal plane (the non ascended). When they talk about wielding Omnipotence with elevated efficiency they’re talking about how Eida needs an activation key (Kawaki/an Otsutsuki) while Shibai would able to just use it.

Perhaps the biggest point of all though is that no where is it accepted or established that Omnipotence is doing anything on a universal scale. It’s accepted to have created innumerable planets. So, there’s still no universal creation feat in this discussion.

i think momo talked in 2 parts. First he was talking about her not even being an otsusuki and thus needing kawaki to even activate it. He still went ahead to explain to fully wield it you need to be an otsusuki God. If it was just about needing kawaki as a key then it would mean just being an otsusuki would be enough, but it isn't.

I already mentioned that would be the main reason why i feel it isn't accepted. I was just making an argument based on a hypothetical where that is a already established coz from the way the argument was going it seemed so

 

[Samlex1234]

I'm sure the arguments that got rejected and debunked in this thread will end up getting accepted 5 days later in a different thread…

Oh, you thought I was seriously arguing for low 2-C? Please. You haven’t even seen me go all out yet. I’ll be creating a CRT soon the only question is, will you show up?

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Shikamaru that is aware of the pure land and other spiritual plane was bamboozle

He is?, any evidence for this, most characters in naruto dont really have a good grasp on the afterlife (for obvious reasons)

Kakashi wasnt even aware his was in purgatory until like the near the end of his conversation with his dad.

not that i think shibai's dimension is spiritual just that using shikamaru's supposed knowledge feels very ???

also why is anyone bringing up spiritual realms and what not, its a non sequitur to both sides, you can have a dimension be both spiritual and HDE at the same time, the issue is with what we know now is a big unknown.

 

[LordTracer]

This is way past the point where I stopped reading Boruto, but the profile looks alright for the most part, aside from some minor formatting stuff.

I don’t think Infinite stamina is warranted for his second key, and I agree that Shibai should scale above the ETSO for the reasons that have been mentioned earlier in the thread.

 

[DavidTPPM]

I think it's best to just make the profile based on what has been accepted so far and discuss HDE or tier 2 shenanigans in an individual thread.

 

[Samlex1234]

He is?, any evidence for this, most characters in naruto dont really have a good grasp on the afterlife (for obvious reasons)

Kakashi wasnt even aware his was in purgatory until like the near the end of his conversation with his dad.

not that i think shibai's dimension is spiritual just that using shikamaru's supposed knowledge feels very ???

also why is anyone bringing up spiritual realms and what not, its a non sequitur to both sides, you can have a dimension be both spiritual and HDE at the same time, the issue is with what we now its big unknown.

Honestly, I only included that as a bonus argument. However, it’s worth noting that Naruto was also in that convoy and was caught off guard by the concept of higher dimensions. I could delve into why Shikamaru should logically know about the Pure Land, but in the grand scheme of things, it doesn’t really matter.

 

[Deceived3596]

Well, it's been overwhelmingly accepted that Shibai should scale above the ETSO, and he shouldn't have Infinite Stamina for his second key. So, in the meantime as this thread continues on, I'll make the requested changes, along with fixing any grammatical errors I see in the process.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

, it’s worth noting that Naruto was also in that convoy and was caught off guard by the concept of higher dimensions.

Its Naruto.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

No tier 0++++? Disagree

It's okay

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Why doesn't Isshiki get ETSO scaling

the justifications are the same, far more fruit consumption, should be far beyond etso for the same reason

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Wrong thread for that, ask that question in general, let’s not go completely off topic here.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Why doesn't Isshiki get ETSO scaling

the justifications are the same, far more fruit consumption, should be far beyond etso for the same reason

peerless is far more explicit than a higher scaling chain

 

[Samlex1234]

The common misconception in this thread is that Shibai consumed another fruit before his ascension. However, that’s not the case at all. Based on all the available information, Shibai had already achieved complete evolution while still in his physical form ( he ate the last fruit). The only reason he abandoned his body was because it was no longer necessary.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

its not like im taking up space for more important ongoing questions arc
the 2c stuff was addressed and dismissed and mods approved the profile minus inf stamina

I don't think asking it is gonna hurt anyone

peerless is far more explicit than a higher scaling chain

peerless means unrivalled
base shibai isnt peerless yet
he got more and more peerless via fruits
which Isshiki has eaten A LOT OF

it's no different than saying Isshiki is unrivalled or naruto has "never before seen" levels of chakra
its being accepted here for the same reasons others got rejected, makes no sense to me

 

[DavidTPPM]

it's no different than saying Isshiki is unrivalled.

Is there any statement of Isshiki having unrivaled power? Just like straight up this

or naruto has "never before seen" levels of chakra

Which would have been accepted if the site wasn't using machine translations so it's not about the statement but it's origins.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

its not like im taking up space for more important ongoing questions arc

If you’re going to actively derail the thread I’m sure there are several thread mods who will just parrot what I said and tell you to stop derailing.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

its not like im taking up space for more important ongoing questions arc
the 2c stuff was addressed and dismissed and mods approved the profile minus inf stamina

I don't think asking it is gonna hurt anyone

Well, it's not a war crime or anything, but it is derailing because this thread has nothing to do with Isshiki.
I'm not even telling you not to ask your question, just do it in the general thread. Having too many unrelated conversations needlessly clogs up the thread and makes it harder for mods to evaluate it.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Well, it's not a war crime or anything, but it is derailing because this thread has nothing to do with Isshiki.
I'm not even telling you not to ask your question, just do it in the general thread. Having too many unrelated conversations needlessly clogs up the thread and makes it harder for mods to evaluate it.

k, I'll move to the general thread

 

[Godernet]

allat just for Goku to hit him with one of these before putting his ass in a headlock

Really good job, though. It's always nice to have more examples of how a good profile is supposed to look.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

peerless means unrivalled

no while they both very similar, theres nuance to it.

• Peerless highlights a lack of comparison due to exceptional qualities.
• Unrivaled focuses more on the absence of competition or challenge.

while the latter can be a consequence of the former, the former highlights something being exceptional initself not simply because of the absence of another

base shibai isnt peerless yet

the base shibai in question is a fruit away from being peerless is significantly more impressive than one who isnt like ishikki

he got more and more peerless via fruits
which Isshiki has eaten A LOT OF

ishikki could have eaten quintillions of fruit, and it would still be vastly inferior than being a fruit away from ascension, so unless we have a direct number for how many fruits are required for ascension or a statement that says the next fruit that ishikki would have eaten would have ascended him then theres no reason to compare ishikki to shibai.

it's no different than saying Isshiki is unrivalled or naruto has "never before seen" levels of chakra

naruto's case is contextual and refers to the chakra naruto produced himself (as in the raws) Ishikki's only claim to fame is being above everyone in the present, which barely touches the cosmology and a one off statement from an anime promotional scan for the following weeks episode where he is stated to be the "the strongest/most fearsome enemy" this isnt event hat good of a statement either but thats neither here or nor there, but even so i dont have an issue with Ishikki or baryon mode scaling above the ETSO , what was rejected before was the methodology in how one goes about it because it creates issues.

its being accepted here for the same reasons others got rejected, makes no sense to me

shibai isnt ishikki nor is he the MAS

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

no while they both very similar, theres nuance to it.

• Peerless highlights a lack of comparison due to exceptional qualities.
• Unrivaled focuses more on the absence of competition or challenge.

while the latter can be a consequence of the former, the former highlights something being exceptional initself not simply because of the absence of another

the base shibai in question is a fruit away from being peerless is significantly more impressive than one who isnt like ishikki

ishikki could have eaten quintillions of fruit, and it would still be vastly inferior than being a fruit away from ascension, so unless we have a direct number for how many fruits are required for ascension or a statement that says the next fruit that ishikki would have eaten would have ascended him then theres no reason to compare ishikki to shibai.

naruto's case is contextual and refers to the chakra naruto produced himself (as in the raws) Ishikki's only claim to fame is being above everyone in the present, which barely touches the cosmology and one off statement from anime promotional episode where he is "the strongest/fearsome enemy" this isnt even a good statement either but thats not here or there, but even so i dont have an issue with Ishikki or baryon mode scaling above the ETSO , what was rejected before was the methodology in how one goes about it because it creates issues.

shibai isnt ishikki nor is he the MAS

1)prove being peerless means your base stats>a full scale overtime charged jutsu instead of their currently available
2)shibai being a fruit away from peerlessness doesnt mean isshiki shouldnt have it | they both are massively above kaguya regardless
3) the bold part, why do you think this? youre saying its bad and whatever the other things mean but WHY is that the case? dont shove it under the rug, tell me why
4) What happened to UES issues


before arc starts jumping this is technically challenging what op has listed

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

before arc starts jumping this is technically challenging what op has listed

Boo

2)shibai being a fruit away from peerlessness doesnt mean isshiki shouldnt have it | they both are massively above kaguya regardless

Shibai isn’t scaling for being merely massively above Kaguya. He scales because he absorbed so much chakra energy and power that he couldn’t maintain physical form. Whereas the ETSO could maintain physical form. Indicating that Shibai soared to greater heights than that jutsu explicitly.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

1)prove being peerless means your base stats>a full scale overtime charged jutsu instead of their currently available

your existence by default cannot be peerless if its contextual. and we are not told specifically that shibai is only peerless in a specific category.

2)shibai being a fruit away from peerlessness doesnt mean isshiki shouldnt have it

yes it does because one character is quite literally a fruit away while the other and has no feats or statements to imply he is, and we know the progression of power is linear with the consumption of fruits (the more you eat, the stronger you get; though the power that each fruit gives does vary)and if the ascension is the apex of power then being one fruit away would by default be above one that isnt.

| they both are massively above kaguya regardless

both goku and a random house cat would be massively above a microbe, this doesnt mean they comparable.

3) the bold part, why do you think this? youre saying its bad and whatever the other things mean but WHY is that the case? dont shove it under the rug, tell me why

its not being shoved under the rug, its not being addressed because its not relevant to the CRT nor am i here to address potentially dozens of peoples arguments who may no longer even hold those same arguments and risk straw manning them, the point to take away from this isnt that A cant be > B, its that people may disagree with the method of getting from A to B and that generalizing every counter argument as the same is incorrect.

4) What happened to UES issues

why would UES apply to Shibai

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Boo


Shibai isn’t scaling for being merely massively above Kaguya. He scales because he absorbed so much chakra energy and power that he couldn’t maintain physical form. Whereas the ETSO could maintain physical form. Indicating that Shibai soared to greater heights than that jutsu explicitly.

that line of logic supports shibai>persec value

not the full thing


being able to contain chakra =/= you scale to a jutsus physicals
also funny that is not a reason anyone mentioned you made it up on the spot
another funny thing he CHOSE to discard his body
you straight up made shit up lmao

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

that line of logic supports shibai>persec value

not the full thing


being able to contain chakra =/= you scale to a jutsus physicals
also funny that is not a reason anyone mentioned you made it up on the spot
another funny thing he CHOSE to discard his body
you straight up made shit up lmao

It actually does support the full rating, since the ETSO can maintain physical form at full capacity.

It’s quite literally the reason on the profile… I should know Deceived and I came up with the argument.

Why do you think he discarded his physical form?

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

It actually does support the full rating, since the ETSO can maintain physical form at full capacity.

It’s quite literally the reason on the profile… I should know Deceived and I came up with the argument.

Why do you think he discarded his physical form?

you dont intentionally chose to remove your physical body if your chakra is beyond capacity
you do it because you have to
he made a optional decision

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

you dont intentionally chose to remove your physical body if your chakra is beyond capacity
you do it because you have to
he made a optional decision

Why do you think he had to discard his physical form tho

 

[Samlex1234]

Why do you think he had to discard his physical form tho

Because he did not “need it”

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

he didnt have to

you made that up
your headcanon

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Because he did not “need it”

Due to the nature of his ascension which is directly tied to the chakra energy and power he accrued

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Due to the nature of his ascension which is directly tied to the chakra energy and power he accrued

nuh uh

0 correlation
we have explicit narrative answer for why he did it, and its not due to chakra overdose
your headcanon is unbacked by anything with no correlation whatosever

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

nuh uh

0 correlation
we have explicit narrative answer for why he did it, and its not due to chakra overdose
your headcanon is unbacked by anything with no correlation whatosever

It’s 100 percent correlated to his countless devouring of chakra fruits and evolution. It’s literally the plot and why Isshiki wants Code to keep devouring chakra fruits.

 

[Samlex1234]

Due to the nature of his ascension which is directly tied to the chakra energy and power he accrued

My man…… I can always trust you to l write your own story.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Refer to my comment to Ghost right above yours