Shibai Ōtsutsuki Profile Creation

[Arc7Kuroi]

no

Aight concession accepted ig lol not my burden to grab your evidence.

is creation of worlds interpreted as him making planets?

Yes it quite literally is contextualized by loads of planets.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Very nice looking and clean profile.

Another solid scan that could be used for Shibais AP is the one from Isshiki

Becoming a god means you became a peerless being meaning he should surpass anything and anyone that hasn't ascended to godhood. But it looks good even as is rn so I don't really care ngl

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

I agree with TES regarding the ETSO, given his stands at the apex of the Otsutsuki he should just flatline scale to the ETSO, if not physically at least with his Shinjutsu.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

yea I disagree with HDE and agree with how it is proposed in OP especially since it's being treated as some sort of spiritual/nonphysical plane in context and higher dimensional axes very much denote physicality.

 

[MadaraZKX]

I agree, the only thing I wanted to mention is that the claw marks are not Cloth Manipulation; they are a mix of physically embodied chakra with iron from the user's blood

 

[Samlex1234]

Not like this will change anything like slayer said, but nevertheless my two-piece

What exactly are these arguments for scaling Shibai to ETSO that I’m seeing? It seems like people are arbitrarily deciding who to scale and who not to, while ignoring other relevant narratives and debates. The inconsistency is everywhere.

On top of that, there’s a lot of semantic manipulation and strawman tactics in these discussions. When it suits your argument, you claim, “this directly means X,” but when it doesn’t, you conveniently say, “this can mean multiple things.

Kojigen is the most direct translation you can get for a mathematical higher dimension. In fact I believe this is the only time it has been used in all of Naruto. Spiritual planes already exist in Naruto pure land/limbo and what not, Hagoromo is a typical example of someone that exist in a spiritual realm, however he is no god. What the otutsuki that became gods achieved at the end of their evolution is not the same thing Hagoromo did , just a spiritual dimension. A god created the entirety of the Naruto universe and the laws that they are bound by including spiritual planes like the pure land and purgatory that exists in the same universe as people can be summoned through various methods from this same planes. Makes all the logical sense that every otutsuki that ascends to that same plane are above everything below.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Kojigen is the most direct translation you can get for a mathematical higher dimension.

That’s like saying “higher dimension” is the most direct English translation for a mathematical higher dimension. We’re stuck here with equivocal interpretations in this vacuum of semantics. It can be used in context of higher mathematical dimensions it can also not. So how do we ascertain which is which? Well we look at the surrounding evidence and context, none of which strongly supports the notion of a mathematical dimensional superiority. And two we can look towards our site standards which explicitly states that merely saying something is a higher dimension is not sufficient enough to grant someone HDE. Basically, all this means is that we do not have enough preponderance of evidence to grant the higher end interpretation of a higher mathematical dimension to be a sufficiently valid interpretation.

Also, I don’t particularly find the argument of a “god used this jutsu to create the universe”. That “god” wasn’t Shibai, Shibai existed after the universe already existed. So, evenly if we grant that omnipotence created the entire universe there’s no reason to apply it to Shibai outside of making a hasty generalization. We can agree to disagree on this topic as I don't believe we will ever convince each other, and I don't really care to convince you in this thread if the majority relevant vote agrees with me anyway.

 

[That_moron2]

Allat for a character with no dialogue

 

[Samlex1234]

Ignored my argument on the existence of spiritual plane being already present in Naruto.

“Samson used the bat to bat the bat “ of course bat can mean several things but contest matters and in this context Kojigen means exactly HDE

All Ōtsutsuki gods are pure, unique existences, with no higher position or power level above them (lore wise). A god is a god, and by that logic, they should be comparable to one another. Omnipotence is the ability to make anything real, a power that only a god can wield. “An omnipotent and all-knowing god used this power to create the world.” Only an omnipotent and all-knowing god can fully wield the power, to the fullest capacity this includes creating a universe. Shibai fits all these categories and ticks all the boxes to use this ability to the fullest capacity too. This is haste generalization ?

The last part of your argument is just bandwagon fallacy

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

A god is a god

Using this to argue Shibai can create a universe is a nominal fallacy. Are all fireball jutsu users the same strength? Are all their fireball jutsu the same power level? No, having a name doesn’t grant you equivocal scaling to everyone who has that name. Different people can wield techniques at different levels.

Ignored my argument on the existence of spiritual plane being already present in Naruto.

Ah yes only one spiritual plane can exist my bad. No but being serious, this is a fat non sequitur. My argument makes no claim on what this “higher plane” is. Whether it’s spiritual or something else doesn’t matter, my argument remains the same. The existence of another spiritual plane doesn’t disprove the existence of other types of planes, nor does it prove that any other higher plane must be a higher mathematical dimension. There’s no logical connection there.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

kojigen doesnt even mean higher dimensional only, its words make use of numerical superiority to mean higher why are we equating it as to being 1:1 with english

that was one of the most hastiest attempts at dismissal attempts I've seen

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

kojigen doesnt even mean higher dimensional only, its words make use of numerical superiority to mean higher why are we equating it as to being 1:1 with english

that was one of the most hastiest attempts at dismissal attempts I've seen

No one hastily dismissed anyone. 高 is the kanji for high/tall, 次元 is the kanji for dimension. All the word means is “higher dimension” none of the kanji in here inherently denote some mathematical superiority or numerical extra dimensional superiority at all. That’s been explained already in this thread. 高 isn’t even used to make use of numerical superiority in the sense you claim it is either. For example, 高速 means high speed aka super fast. The kanji is just a prefix to describe vague superiority. Like oh this isn’t just fast speed it’s very fast. But none of that denotes a higher mathematical dimension for 高次元, all it denotes is a dimension that is in some way superior to a normal dimension. What that means is to be determined.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

No one hastily dismissed anyone. 高 is the kanji for high/tall, 次元 is the kanji for dimension. All the word means is “higher dimension” none of the kanji in here inherently denote some mathematical superiority or numerical extra dimensional superiority at all. That’s been explained already in this thread. 高 isn’t even used to make use of numerical superiority in the sense you claim it is either. For example, 高速 means high speed aka super fast. The kanji is just a prefix to describe vague superiority. Like oh this isn’t just fast speed it’s very fast. But none of that denotes a higher mathematical dimension for 高次元, all it denotes is a dimension that is in some way superior to a normal dimension. What that means is to be determined.

it's vague based on what? you didn't provide any examples backing your claim

高 = Quantity/Amount/Number
次 = Next/Order/Sequence

I don't see anything but quantitative difference

 

[Deceived3596]

That's the Suffix Noun, not the Prefix Noun...

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

That's the Suffix Noun, not the Prefix Noun...

does it make a noteworthy difference?

 

[Hasty12345]

does it make a noteworthy difference?

I would imagine otherwise he wouldn't have pointed it out

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

it's vague based on what? you didn't provide any examples backing your claim

高 = Quantity/Amount/Number
次 = Next/Order/Sequence

I don't see anything but quantitative difference

Well this proves you don’t understand the language.

高 = high/tall
次元 = dimension

次 isn’t a prefix modifier in the way you mistakenly claim, it’s the first kanji to the two kanji word that makes up dimension. You’re trying to say 高 and 次 are both prefixes to the world dimension, but that’s wrong.

Also you quoted the wrong definition for the 高 kanji too. You quoted Taka, but it’s kou.

 

[Deceived3596]

does it make a noteworthy difference?

It linguistically matters, which is why there is a difference between a Suffix and Prefix when discussing Grammar.

Here, the Suffix version of that Noun implies an amount of something; a measurement of volume. The Prefix Noun implies a height of some contextually relevant kind. If we assume the Suffix version, it'll grammatically imply a numerical difference, while the Prefix doesn't inherently imply that. It only indicates a difference in height, which can be contextualized to many different things.

Basically, a statement using that particular word, in Prefixed way, allows for a different spectrum of interpretations not grammatically implied by the Suffix Noun.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Well this proves you don’t understand the language.

高 = high/tall
次元 = dimension

次 isn’t a prefix modifier in the way you mistakenly claim, it’s the first kanji to the two kanji word that makes up dimension. You’re trying to say 高 and 次 are both prefixes to the world dimension, but that’s wrong.

Also you quoted the wrong definition for the 高 kanji too. You quoted Taka, but it’s kou.

I don't see a visual difference upon examining the words, I copied that directly from the second site to paste on Jisho

Also what will kou here be used to say?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I don't see a visual difference upon examining the words, I copied that directly from the second site to paste on Jisho

Also what will kou here be used to say?

高 (kou) means high or tall. If you take the entire word 高次元 (koujigen) and paste it into Jisho, you can see that it’s kou (こう) and not taka (たか). As for what it means, reread my last few messages and Deceived’s breaking down the meaning of the word as well as breaking down grammar.

In your defense, the same kanji can be pronounced in entirely different ways and take on different meanings. But to that I say, don’t try and make knowledge claims on a language you blatantly don’t understand.

 

[Samlex1234]

Ah yes only one spiritual plane can exist my bad. No but being serious, this is a fat non sequitur. My argument makes no claim on what this “higher plane” is. Whether it’s spiritual or something else doesn’t matter, my argument remains the same. The existence of another spiritual plane doesn’t disprove the existence of other types of planes, nor does it prove that any other higher plane must be a higher mathematical dimension. There’s no logical connection there.

A scientist Amado mentioned specifically,
“What if after cycles of evolution… he ascended into a higher dimension where a physical body isn’t required “


Shikamaru that is aware of the pure land and other spiritual plane was bamboozled, then Goes “well if a god is meant to be a flawless being then that theory have some merit”


Momoshiki who himself is spirit confirms amado’s hypothesis that shibai indeed transcended there dimension that is 4d.

Isshiki who did not complete evolution

Using this to argue Shibai can create a universe is a nominal fallacy. Are all fireball jutsu users the same strength? Are all their fireball jutsu the same power level? No, having a name doesn’t grant you equivocal scaling to everyone who has that name. Different people can wield techniques at different levels.

a god in the Naruto world is a peerless unique existence,

“All Ōtsutsuki gods are peerless unique existences, with no higher position or power level above them (lore wise)”

“Only an omnipotent and all-knowing god can fully wield the power, to the fullest capacity this includes creating a universe. Shibai fits all these categories and ticks all the boxes to use this ability to the fullest capacity too.”

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

A scientist Amado mentioned specifically,
“What if after cycles of evolution… he ascended into a higher dimension where a physical body isn’t required “

Him having a high IQ and being a scientist doesn’t mean he’s talking about a higher mathematical dimension. Amado exists in a world of magic (chakra) he can speak in either context. His profession doesn’t indicate a likelihood either way.

Shikamaru that is aware of the pure land and other spiritual plane was bamboozled, then Goes “well if a god is meant to be a flawless being then that theory have some merit”

Again the pure lands existing is a non sequitur. Their existence doesn’t entail that the Shibai dimension needs to be higher mathematical dimension, nor does it mean that the Shibai dimension can’t be another better spiritual plane.

Momoshiki who himself is spirit confirms amado’s hypothesis that shibai indeed transcended there dimension that is 4d.

He doesn’t confirm anything about a mathematical higher dimension, since Amado isn’t inherently speaking about a higher mathematical dimension.

Isshiki who did not complete evolution

Uh ok. Maybe you want to explain why these scans matter, cuz I don’t believe they’re relevant here.

a god in the Naruto world is a peerless unique existence,

“All Ōtsutsuki gods are pure, unique existences, with no higher position or power level above them (lore wise)”

“Only an omnipotent and all-knowing god can fully wield the power, to the fullest capacity this includes creating a universe. Shibai fits all these categories and ticks all the boxes to use this ability to the fullest capacity too.”

Peerless in context to everyone who isn’t ascended. This still doesn’t mean all “gods” in Naruto are the same in ability. Those statements don’t entail that at all.

 

[Trihexa102]

Honestly in my opinion he is HDE, it's just not clearly defined. logical assumption points at him being HDE, as we know basic (pure)otsutsuki souls are snuffed out of existence like Isshiki and Momoshiki(he needs a living anchor otherwise his soul would be erased). A half breed like Hagoromo is able to move to and fro between spiritual realms through specific conditions. Which implies there is no spiritual realm for Pure otsutsuki', thus shibai ridding himself of his mortal shells points only to HDE(he transcended it). Though i will say it's not clearly defined, so i think a possibly is Ok.

 

[Samlex1234]

Peerless in context to everyone who isn’t ascended. This still doesn’t mean all “gods” in Naruto are the same in ability. Those statements don’t entail that at all.

Once you attain godhood, you reach the pinnacle of evolution. At this point, you become omnipotent and all-knowing, with no boundaries to your power or understanding (well according to Momo). With such abilities, you can access the full potential of omnipotence(the ability), making all gods, once ascended to this level, equal in maximal potential use of omnipotence which makes sense as there is no position or power level higher than godhood. In fact that is the main criteria to use the maximal power of omnipotence, because Aida even though unconsciously can use the power to some extent even normal Otutsuki might be able to use it too but not like an Otutsuki that has ascended.



An otutsuki who attained godhood can use it create the world. Why can’t other Ōtsutsuki who have also attained godhood use it to create the world?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Once you attain godhood, you reach the pinnacle of evolution. At this point, you become omnipotent and all-knowing, with no boundaries to your power or understanding (well according to Momo). With such abilities, you can access the full potential of omnipotence(the ability), making all gods, once ascended to this level, equal in maximal potential use of omnipotence which makes sense as there is no position or power level higher than godhood. In fact that is the main criteria to use the maximal power of omnipotence, because Aida even though unconsciously can use the power to some extent even normal Otutsuki might be able to use it too but not like an Otutsuki that has ascended.



An otutsuki who attained godhood can use it create the world. Why can’t other Ōtsutsuki who have also attained godhood use it to create the world?

None of what you say is actually stated in any of the canon material. You’re just lying

And like yeah he can create planets and worlds with it. None of what you posted says he can make a universe with it. Also, I know you’re being flowery and verbose with your language, but uh Shibai is not a no limits character, he is not this boundless entity. No need to do virtual tricks on a fictional character

 

[Samlex1234]

Cope and seethe Either way I plan on creating a different CRT immediately after this to tackle low 2C shibai. adieu

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Cope and seethe Either way I plan on creating a different CRT immediately after this to tackle low 2C shibai. adieu

Concession accepted

 

[Trihexa102]

None of what you say is actually stated in any of the canon material. You’re just lying

And like yeah he can create planets and worlds with it. None of what you posted says he can make a universe with it. Also, I know you’re being flowery and verbose with your language, but uh Shibai is not a no limits character, he is not this boundless entity. No need to do virtual tricks on a fictional character

you are picking too much on the lowest interpretations of the statements, i doubt a character momoshiki described as Omnipotent and all-knowing would be easily limited to planets, we scale shibai above ETSB which can nuke a dimension and recreate another one witha star, why would he only be restricted to planets only when far weaker characters are able to achieve something similar like kaguya and Momo. Not saying he is boundless in comparison to all of fiction, but inverse gods are limitless as they are even alluded to be flawless and peerless beings.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

you are picking too much on the lowest interpretations of the statements, i doubt a character momoshiki described as Omnipotent and all-knowing would be easily limited to planets, we scale shibai above ETSB which can nuke a dimension and recreate another one witha star, why would he only be restricted to planets only when far weaker characters are able to achieve something similar like kaguya and Momo. Not saying he is boundless in comparison to all of fiction, but inverse gods are limitless as they are even alluded to be flawless and peerless beings.

The difference between 5-B and Low 2-C is the same as the difference between High 3-A and Low 2-C, no amount of 3D power for comparison matters here. So I don’t agree with saying “X character can do this 3D feat therefore this stronger character that’s a gdo should be 4D”. I also don’t agree with tier 4 ETSO, but since we currently accept it as 4-B I make the concession of Shibai being 4-B because I think he’s stronger than the ETSO. All of what you say doesn’t make him 4D anyway, your incredulity at my stance isn’t a counter argument.

 

[Trihexa102]

The difference between 5-B and Low 2-C is the same as the difference between High 3-A and Low 2-C, no amount of 3D power for comparison matters here. So I don’t agree with saying “X character can do this 3D feat therefore this stronger character that’s a gdo should be 4D”. I also don’t agree with tier 4 ETSO, but since we currently accept it as 4-B I make the concession of Shibai being 4-B because I think he’s stronger than the ETSO. All of what you say doesn’t make him 4D anyway, your incredulity at my stance isn’t a counter argument.

all i hear is "nuh uh" tbh, The gods are alluded to as being the peak of the verse, it's even stated by momoshiki that there are been multiple god's, his claim was They have used Omnipotence many times in the past. His statement of only all powerful and all-knowing god being able to control it, can be used to scale them all to the same level. Shibai is stated to have cosumed countless worlds, and sublimated to a higher being. Otsutsuki souls don't move to a spiritual realm like other entities, they are instantly extinguished.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

all i hear is "nuh uh" tbh, The gods are alluded to as being the peak of the verse, it's even stated by momoshiki that there are been multiple god's, his claim was They have used Omnipotence many times in the past. His statement of only all powerful and all-knowing god being able to control it, can be used to scale them all to the same level. Shibai is stated to have cosumed countless worlds, and sublimated to a higher being.

And none of this proves he’s 4D. Like you can word vomit the Boruto wiki for Shibai, but please explain why he’s 4D, please address the counters I provided against Lex and Ghost. I can grant you each and every thing you said and it still wouldn’t make Shibai 4D. All I hear is “Shibai big strong”

 

[Samlex1234]

All i hear is "nuh uh" tbh, The gods are alluded to as being the peak of the verse, it's even stated by momoshiki that there are been multiple god's, his claim was They have used Omnipotence many times in the past. His statement of only all powerful and all-knowing god being able to control it, can be used to scale them all to the same level. Shibai is stated to have cosumed countless worlds, and sublimated to a higher being. Otsutsuki souls don't move to a spiritual realm like other entities, they are instantly extinguished.

Save this arguments for my CRT. This guy will drain you out by “Moving the goalposts”
He believes ETSO is 5B and omnipotence is also 5B, and so therefore the Naruto verse highest tier is 5B.

Kaguya's ETSO

vsbattles.fandom.com

Need I say more?

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Save this arguments for my CRT. This guy will drain you out by “Moving the goalposts”
He believes ETSO is 5B and omnipotence is also 5B, and so therefore the Naruto verse highest tier maximum power is 5B.

Kaguya's ETSO

vsbattles.fandom.com

Need I say more?

 

[Trihexa102]

And none of this proves he’s 4D. Like you can word vomit the Boruto wiki for Shibai, but please explain why he’s 4D, please address the counters I provided against Lex and Ghost. I can grant you each and every thing you said and it still wouldn’t make Shibai 4D. All I hear is “Shibai big strong”

It wouldn't because you don't wanna believe it or even give it a remote possibility. Why would HD transcendence be mentioned and only allude to him being 3D, your counter are it's spiritual which i already showed you is not true. Pure otsutsuki souls are instantly extinguished, there is no spiritual realm for them. A scientist like Amado alludes to it and Momoshiki a current spirit who should know of whatever spiritual realm you believe he went doesn't allude to that either. Like others have said here Kou-jigen- meaning high dimension, i doubt ikemoto would use that word without knowing the context and meaning he intended. Shibai even before ascension possesed abilities that could program all of reality(universe, see all futures) which could be used as evidence, but like i originally said it's not clearly defined which is why i said a possibly is still ok.

 

[Samlex1234]

It wouldn't because you don't wanna believe it or even give it a remote possibility. Why would HD transcendence be mentioned and only allude to him being 3D, your counter are it's spiritual which i already showed you is not true. Pure otsutsuki souls are instantly extinguished, there is no spiritual realm for them. A scientist like Amado alludes to it and Momoshiki a current spirit who should know of whatever spiritual realm you believe he went doesn't allude to that either. Like others have said here Kou-jigen- meaning high dimension, i doubt ikemoto would use that word without knowing the context and meaning he intended. Shibai even before ascension possesed abilities that could program all of reality(universe, see all futures) which could be used as evidence, but like i originally said it's not clearly defined which is why i said a possibly is still ok.

To add to this, this is the first time this word has ever been mentioned in the entirety of Naruto. It has never been used before to describe any of the spiritual planes or dimensions that already exist within the Naruto universe.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

It wouldn't because you don't wanna believe it or even give it a remote possibility. Why would HD transcendence be mentioned and only allude to him being 3D, your counter are it's spiritual which i already showed you is not true. Pure otsutsuki souls are instantly extinguished, there is no spiritual realm for them. A scientist like Amado alludes to it and Momoshiki a current spirit who should know of whatever spiritual realm you believe he went doesn't allude to that either. Like others have said here Kou-jigen- meaning high dimension, i doubt ikemoto would use that word without knowing the context and meaning he intended. Shibai even before ascension possesed abilities that could program all of reality(universe, see all futures) which could be used as evidence, but like i originally said it's not clearly defined which is why i said a possibly is still ok.

Clearly you haven’t read my posts because I’ve explicitly stated several times to Lex that I’m not making any claim on the nature of the realm. I’ve explicitly stated whether the realm is spiritual or not doesn’t matter to my argument. In blatant terms that means I’m NOT claiming it’s spiritual. You talk like “higher dimension” always or almost always means a higher mathematical dimension when it just doesn’t. Also, you’re not Ikemoto so why are you assuming your interpretation is the intent of the author? Ikemoto clearly knows what he meant by it, what we’re debating is what he meant by it. And since he hasn’t come out and explicitly said so, your implication that his intent aligns with yours is unfounded. It’s circular reasoning at its finest, you’re proceeding assuming you’re self evidently correct and thus not substantiating your points.

To add to this, this is the first time this word has ever been mentioned in the entirety of Naruto. It has never been used before to describe any of the spiritual planes or dimensions that already exist within the Naruto universe.

doesn’t mean anything for Shibai being 4D. Obviously this dimension is superior to the other Naruto dimensions, that’s all it inherently means, none of that makes it a higher mathematical dimension.

 

[Deceived3596]

Literally no one of importance in passing this thread is going to be convinced that Shibai should have Higher-Dimensional Existence because of these arguments. It's a waste of effort and time in all honesty. If y'all genuinely wish to convince others, write down an expansive and well evidenced post that addresses everything from substantiating the claims made by yourself, and responding to the opponent's counter propositions. Continuing this back and forth only hinders this effort, I believe.

 

[Nierre]

I'd remove the Infinite stamina bit for now until we get more information on Shibai/Transcendence.

Also, I’m ngl, the justification for the ETSO upscale and Uzuhiko upscale are the exact same. I see no reason why one would be “At least” and the other “possibly”. I’m more in favor of Test’s suggestion of at least “ETSO per second value”, possibly “ETSO”. Or just flat out ETSO level.

Also I agree with this as well. I'm in favor of Shibai scaling fully to the ETSO.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Using this to argue Shibai can create a universe is a nominal fallacy. Are all fireball jutsu users the same strength? Are all their fireball jutsu the same power level? No, having a name doesn’t grant you equivocal scaling to everyone who has that name. Different people can wield techniques at different levels.

I disagree with this and i don't think the comparism is fair. It's not the fact that since he's a god then he should scale to another god. Lore wise we are told that a requirement to completely wield omnipotence to its max a peerless being like an otsusuki God is required. If creating a universe is something omnipotence has in fact done in the past, then someone who has the power to wield omnipotence to its max should be able to replicate such coz you know max means to the highest point the power could be weld. This should warrant at least a likely or possibly rating

 

[karo_senpaii]

Okay about omnipotence these are my thoughts. If what is contested is if omnipotence was used to create the naruto verse then i would understand but that's not the case. I think there was an added scan in a particular volume explaining how it was used to create the universe, someone correct me if I'm wrong.
If the issue here is if shibai scales, then this is what I think.

So eida uses omnipotence and momo makes it clear she isn't able to wield it properly, he says there is a specific criterion required to wield its full power and that's being an otsusuki God
Lore wise it was explained that an otsusuki God used it to create the universe in the past
If the lore said an otsusuki God created the universe in the past and made no mention of omnipotence, then I'd understand the whole he can't scale just coz he's a god. But it was made clear it was through omnipotence
This means "creating a universe" falls under one of the things omnipotence can do, well at least the max capability shown so far
Shibai is an otsusuki god (the only requirement needed to use omnipotence full power). This would mean that any feat performed by an omnipotence wielder would automatically be something he can at least likely or possibly do since he is able to wield omnipotence full power.

This is why I believe his ascension key should get a likely or possibly low 2c or 3A rating and range