Shadow Plague vs. SCP-008

[Jinsye]

Zombies vs. Vampires.

Stealing from CV vs. Neurax Worm.

Both diseases start at opposite ends of America. Shadow Plague starts unevolved but can evolve. Whoever completely eradicate the opposing disease wins.

Who wins?

Shadow Plague: 0

SCP-008: 0

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

For one, Shadow Plague needs to evolve first before it gains its more potent abilities, and while 008 isn't that powerful on paper, 100% Lethality and Transmission even though a vector like salavia is something that it just can't compete with. 008 is also a prion, which are considerably harder to deal with than regular bactieria and even certain viruses, while there is entirely the chance that SP just gets cured.

SP Advantages:

> Multiple Vectors of Transmission

> Gains more versatility over time, and Plague Inc Vampires >>>> 008 Zombies.

> 008 has a really crappy transmission vector, namely saliva, as opposed to air/water/animals.

008 Advantages:

> 100% Lethality and Transmission from the getgo

> There probably doesn't exist any proper cure for it, or, at least, a cure would require years of study.

> SP can be treated and cured relatively easily in the beggining.

Close call, but voting for 008.

 

[Jinsye]

Bump

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Let's be honest, zombies kinda sucks at ending the world. Especially ones that only transmit via saliva as opposed to blood. Any decent government could shoot up the few zombies before it spreads too much. And transmission over other continents is extremely unlikely to happen, unless some BS zombie-movie scenario like a zombie hiding in a plane or boat happens.

But even then, a Vampire alone would likely solo the zombie plague, assuming that no humans interfere. Shadow Plague is also much smarter than 008, especially for the vampires. I'd say SP would take it.

 

[ProfessorLord]

008 FRA

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I'm pretty sure the vampire alone would be able to deal with whatever 008 can throw at it

 

[Yobo_Blue]

SP FRA. It's strategic intelligence is far above 008's

 

[Keeweed]

Wait are we using the viruses themselves or the host they infect?

 

[ProfessorLord]

Yeah but this isn't vampire vs zombies, it's whatever disease can eradicate the other.

I believe 008 will have an easier time transmitting at the start, and such will get an early numbers advantage. It cannot easily be cured or prevented against, unlike SP. It will stick around long after even an extinction event.

With human interference, the priority will definitely be SP. It can actually be cured and prevented against, and it is the much more dangerous threat. The focus will be killing all of them, though vampires will be the priority because of their intelligence. Because of 008's nature, they are forced to contain it and cannot really cure it.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Generally, Zombies are considered more of a threat due to infectivity, and other countries have prior knowledge of 008, something that cannot be said for SP

 

[ProfessorLord]

Yeah but whenever humans think "yeah we've eradicatted 008!" it will turn back up sometime later, maybe even a few centuries later. Prions last for a fuckton of a time and retain infectivity in their environment. Not to mention with the early numbers advantage 008 will have, there will be a lot of areas where the prions can remain dormant.

Ultimately SP will die out, even if it takes an extinction event to warrant it. 008 will still remain.

I got this from this site , I think it summarizes how hard it is to get rid of 008:

You Can't Kill What Isn't Alive
Prions cannot be destroyed by boiling, alcohol, acid, standard autoclaving methods, or radiation. In fact, infected brains that have been sitting in formaldehyde for decades can still transmit spongiform disease. Cooking your burger 'til it's well done won't destroy the prions!

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Considering that post-SP humanity basically becomes a civilization in its own right, pretty sure they'd be able to contain 008 until it dies out.

Also, the Shadow Plague has defeated human interference many times in the past, even without a literal zombie plague around. Not exactly something that would manage to destroy it in this situation.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Huh, I remember playing plague inc and didn't expect it to end up here. Totally making 30 second life profiles.

 

[ProfessorLord]

As of now, we've yet to fully contain diseases made of prions such as Mad Cow Disease. Only a certain strain of it is really harmful to humans, but even then the most we've done is manage to seperate it from our food supply to eliminate risk. There is still cases of cattle being infected with it, and it still remains within our enviornment.

The victory conditions as stated is to fully eradicate the opposing disease. Humanity as we know it is able to wipe out a fictional disease like SP if they catch it early on, however even in the near future we are still unable to wipe out prion diseases. With this knowledge, humans would probably make a contigency plan focused on wiping SP out completely while also containing 008 to the best of their ability. This would be considered a win for 008.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

008 FRA

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

008 - 3 (Apies, Professor, Dargoo)

Shadow Plague - 3 (Saikou, Yobobojojo, Weekly)

As Professor said, 008 wins namely on how it begins with a much better set of abilities, where the SP can be snuffed out in the beginning. Prions, especially one even the foundation couldn't cure, are insanely hard to properly treat.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

If you want to be technical, the magic pills they use do work

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

500 is not of Foundation make though,so no, the Foundation has made no cure of 008.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

The duplicates they make with the tree and the locket technically are, but that's here nor there

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Calling 008 incurable would be NLF btw, it can likely be cured through intense analysis of the molecular structure and time like any other disease. That said, it isn't going to get cured nearly as fast as the Shadow Plague.

 

[ProfessorLord]

It's not incurable, it's incurable with the current technology and understanding we have now. Because of it's very nature, there is nothing we can do about it with modern technology. There is something we can do to cure SP, however, and that's why SP would likely be cured and taken out first by humanity, resulting in a win for 008.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Bump.

 

[ProfessorLord]

Calling 008 incurable would be NLF btw, it can likely be cured through intense analysis of the molecular structure and time like any other disease. That said, it isn't going to get cured nearly as fast as the Shadow Plague.

This is wrong. It is okay to call 008 incurable because that's what it is, incurable. No prion disease has ever been cured. As of now and the near future, it's impossible.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

I was mostly reffering to being able to cure it at all, not being able to cure it with our current technology.

 

[The_Smashor]

Could 006 infect somebody who has the shadow plague already and vice versa?

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

008 to shadow slaves, yes. IDK about the vampires as I doubt they'd qualify as human.

They can infect humans as they turn into 008, although after death, probably not.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

I'll say SP.

Worst comes to worst, it retreats to greenland until the prions die out on their own.

Also, don't we assume the SP is at its strongest, wich is at an already evolved stage?

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

@Ricsi Yeah, SBA assumes the strongest version of the character unless otherwise stated. Also, gonna switch to SP FRA.

008 - 2 (Apies, Professor)

Shadow Plague - 5 (Saikou, Yobobojojo, Weekly, Ricsi, Dargoo)

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Then yeah, its already evolved plenty

 

[The_Smashor]

Shadow Plague FRA

 

[ProfessorLord]

I'll say SP.
Worst comes to worst, it retreats to greenland until the prions die out on their own.

Also, don't we assume the SP is at its strongest, wich is at an already evolved stage?

Prions will NEVER die out in their enviornment. They cannot even be incinerated.

 

[The_Smashor]

Wouldn't they die without anything to infect like most viruses?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

The vampire could just make a cure. The verse it is from has always been capable of that afterall, and it has superriour INT to them.

 

[The_Smashor]

The foundation can't cure 008.

 

[ProfessorLord]

They are not alive. Prions are not living. For something to die they need to be alive in the first place. They are just proteins.

 

[The_Smashor]

You know what I mean.

 

[ProfessorLord]

The foundation can't cure 008, and humans in the real world cannot cure any prion disease. By their nature it makes it very ******* difficult.

You can't just say the vampires will cure them, that would require knowledge beyond even what the foundation has.

 

[ProfessorLord]

I don't know what you mean, because you're asking if something that is not alive will die out.

 

[The_Smashor]

What I mean is if the vampires flee to greenland and slowly feed on the population, the virus couldn't reach there. Wouldn't the virus stop being able to infect things if it runs out of things to infect?

 

[ProfessorLord]

That's not exactly winning though. Such prion diseases can remain in the enviornment indefinitely. If one animal picks it up and begins spreading it through the foodchain, the vampires are ******.

Not having anything to infect doesn't mean it is incapacitated or anything, it just means it's sitting there.