Seven Deadly Sin Revisions(Speed)

[ByAsura]

Meliodas couldn’t do any damage at all, even alongside King and Ban.

He also had to try his hardest to beat 50% SD alongside Zeldris. And I’d argue he’s stronger there because King and Ban had comparable performance to Demon Mel while fighting DK Zel.

 

[ImposingTiger]

They clash equally and then Meliodas tanks several slashes without any major damage. When he uses Thousand God Cut DK even acknowledges his strength.

And it doesn't matter if Ban and King are helping because they are firing individual attacks.

 

[ByAsura]

He’s obviously not trying very hard, and this whole portion of the fight was probably just to get Meliodas to use his magic.

I’m pretty sure Meliodas was just glanced. The fact that even equal characters inflict much heavier injuries substantiates this point; even CO Galand could carve a little into Escanor’s arm, despite being able to one-shot him if he didn’t run away. Later, Merlin even has to teleport Ban, King and Mel away from a slash.

On this note, Meliodas can’t harm him with Lostvayne, a sacred treasure.

DK complementing his strength is meaningless. It’s basically just him saying that Meliodas is stronger than all the other Demons. Given that he didn’t say this about base Mel, I’d go so far a somewhat to say this is an anti-statement.

Tell me, if you have three guys all fighting you at once and still outclass all of them, does that seem like a very small power gap between you and them?

 

[Majinere566]

I mean Demon Mark Meliodas still blitzs Youth Demon King

 

[ByAsura]

That part is fine. All it does, though, is potentially place him above Mael because that version was inferior to DK Mel, but not significantly.

 

[Majinere566]

Mael did not want to fight the Demon King after his last encounter So any feat on the Demon king places him above Mael

 

[ImposingTiger]

Tell me, if you have three guys all fighting you at once and still outclass all of them, does that seem like a very small power gap between you and them?

It seems like I'm faster.

 

[ByAsura]

In this case, he wasn’t really using that speed. He was attacking and defending.

 

[ImposingTiger]

He’s obviously not trying very hard, and this whole portion of the fight was probably just to get Meliodas to use his magic.

I’m pretty sure Meliodas was just glanced. The fact that even equal characters inflict much heavier injuries substantiates this point; even CO Galand could carve a little into Escanor’s arm, despite being able to one-shot him if he didn’t run away. Later, Merlin even has to teleport Ban, King and Mel away from a slash.

On this note, Meliodas can’t harm him with Lostvayne, a sacred treasure.

DK complementing his strength is meaningless. It’s basically just him saying that Meliodas is stronger than all the other Demons. Given that he didn’t say this about base Mel, I’d go so far a somewhat to say this is an anti-statement.

The point is that DM Meliodas is clearly not much weaker, while AM is a good amount above DM. What was the point of using DM when he can use AM then? It's because he thinks he has a chance and always adapts his strength to his opponent's.

Not to mention that Zeldris said True Magic was stronger than DK. The strongest form of DK Zel had seen was Britannia DK, who could pin and tank attacks from TUO Escanor, who stomped Prime DK Zeldris.

Everything points towards one same direction, and that is TM Meliodas being way stronger than 100% DK, let alone 50%.

 

[ByAsura]

The point is that DM Meliodas is clearly not much weaker, while AM is a good amount above DM.

What you presented was not sufficient proof of that.

What was the point of using DM when he can use AM then? It's because he thinks he has a chance and always adapts his strength to his opponent's.

Why wouldn’t Meliodas just use AM in the first place if it was so much more effective? The emotions weakness doesn’t appear to be present, or very high.

Not to mention that Zeldris said True Magic was stronger than DK. The strongest form of DK Zel had seen was Britannia DK, who could pin and tank attacks from TUO Escanor, who stomped Prime DK Zeldris.

The Sins were virtually out of power before the limit break.

Also, why would Zeldris be referring to Britannia DK, who drew power from the land and life, rather than any other form? The fact that Griamore, who hasn’t experienced this form, made the same statement well before that fight suggests otherwise.

Everything points towards one same direction, and that is TM Meliodas being way stronger than 100% DK, let alone 50%.

No it doesn’t. We have Griamore’s statement, True Magic Mel expending all his power on the Commandments, the 50% SD fight, every one of them getting severely outmatched by DK Zel, Ban getting outmatched by 50% DK, etc.

 

[Zezu1995]

didn't the supreme deity send some SOL attacks on Meliodas and Zeldris?

they dodged straight ones first but since they started bending they wont used them , either way i asked already and iirc it was a rel+ feat

 

[speedster352]

Here is who I think would scale

Meliodas
Zeldris( could get a relativistic rating due to doubling his speed with Ominous Nebula)
Ban
King
Escanor
Maybe Merlin since she was fast enough to fake out the Demon King
Maybe diane but she got an emotional amp due to kings proposal.

And induras and true body ludo

 

[ImposingTiger]

What you presented was not sufficient proof of that.

Why wouldn’t Meliodas just use AM in the first place if it was so much more effective? The emotions weakness doesn’t appear to be present, or very high.

The Sins were virtually out of power before the limit break.

Also, why would Zeldris be referring to Britannia DK, who drew power from the land and life, rather than any other form? The fact that Griamore, who hasn’t experienced this form, made the same statement well before that fight suggests otherwise.

No it doesn’t. We have Griamore’s statement, True Magic Mel expending all his power on the Commandments, the 50% SD fight, every one of them getting severely outmatched by DK Zel, Ban getting outmatched by 50% DK, etc.

So you are suggesting that Ban, King and Escanor (who could damage the Prime DK) are stronger than TM Meliodas? Cool.

 

[Majinere566]

Statement from Zeldris should be more than enough to say True Magic Meliodas would be above the Demon King.

 

[Majinere566]

Here is who I think would scale

Meliodas
Zeldris( could get a relativistic rating due to doubling his speed with Ominous Nebula)
Ban
King
Escanor
Maybe Merlin since she was fast enough to fake out the Demon King
Maybe diane but she got an emotional amp due to kings proposal.

Does everyone agree with this?

 

[speedster352]

Does everyone agree with this?

Yes and true body ludociel and possibly indua deri and mospeet

 

[Majinere566]

Yes and true body ludociel and possibly indua deri and mospeet

Possibly

 

[ByAsura]

So you are suggesting that Ban, King and Escanor (who could damage the Prime DK) are stronger than TM Meliodas? Cool.

No, I'm suggesting they're equal to Demon Mel, who's still below the 50% deities, until the film came out.

 

[Majinere566]

Speedster is suggesting that true body ludociel would scale and possibly both Indira Monspeet and Derrieri. Anyone agree?

 

[ByAsura]

I disagree. Mael stated that Ludoshel was as powerful as him and Ludohsel confirmed he can surpass him while nearing noon, yet near-noon wasn't even remotely close.

 

[Le'garde273]

Idk, true body ludociel is more powerfull than margaret vessel but in term speed both is still equal. And induras still below from base meliodas post purgatory

 

[Zezu1995]

Idk, true body ludociel is more powerfull than margaret vessel but in term speed both is still equal. And induras still below from base meliodas post purgatory

no his speed was reaching his limit. also im telling yall speed get buffed with power... mel blitzed galand after getting a POWER buff

 

[ByAsura]

Mel blitzed Galand after getting his original power restored. It's in no way just a power buff.

 

[Zezu1995]

nanatsu does not have a speed stat its
power
spirit
magic
so either magic or power helps speed imo... even when mel gets to AM he blitzed zeldris and esta when zeldris blitzed his arm off in his unsealed state

 

[ImposingTiger]

No, I'm suggesting they're equal to Demon Mel, who's still below the 50% deities, until the film came out.

How? They can deal damage to Prime DK yet they are below 50%?

 

[ImposingTiger]

power

Well, speed seems to be related to power but it doesn't grow at the same rate. Take Diane and Ban at the BoS for instance.

 

[ByAsura]

How? They can deal damage to Prime DK yet they are below 50%?

They dealt barely any at all without Escanor's strongest forms. So I don't really see the problem here.

Also, I'm sorry, but we literally see Ban fight 50% DK, and he's weaker.

 

[ImposingTiger]

They dealt barely any at all without Escanor's strongest forms. So I don't really see the problem here.

Not true. Ban and King made him bleed and Pre-Noon Escanor made a hole in his body with a finger. They also were trying not to kill him and DK was constantly regenerating and replenishing his energy thanks to the lake.

Also, I'm sorry, but we literally see Ban fight 50% DK, and he's weaker.

Yeah, Ban without Courechouse. He's clearly had an amp after getting it back.

 

[ByAsura]

Not true. Ban and King made him bleed and Pre-Noon Escanor made a hole in his body with a finger. They also were trying not to kill him and DK was constantly regenerating and replenishing his energy thanks to the lake.

Fair point on Escanor. But, if anything, this kind of shows that he's also a glass cannon, which makes their lack of damage that much more egregious.

I don't see anything more than a couple drops of blood from Ban and King, especially in individual barrages.

Trying not to kill him? They could barely even scratch him to begin with.

Yeah, Ban without Courechouse. He's clearly had an amp after getting it back.

You mean Sacred Treasures that don't actually scale to characters normally, and True Magic Meliodas didn't use for his feat? This just proves my point 100% that they don't really scale to them.

Plus, they had them against the other 50% deity.

 

[Zezu1995]

meh personally , i dont count tiny wounds like that.. and i think thats bad for scaling... i feel wounds have to be crazy good or deep or show signs of being tired... like chandler vs dolor/glox.. he killed them but was dmaaged and tired at the end of their fight. thats how u scale, DK took everything and just walked even after the lake was removed he took escanor ONE damage like nothing

 

[Majinere566]

Can we just conclude who scales to the feat?

 

[speedster352]

Can we just conclude who scales to the feat?

The characters you listed was fine altough I thought true body ludo will scale but that's fine

 

[Majinere566]

The characters you listed was fine altough I thought true body ludo will scale but that's fine

I'd like to get SOL Ludociel but the people who disagree hasn't even responded to my rebuttal

 

[ImposingTiger]

But, if anything, this kind of shows that he's also a glass cannon

Why? His sword is comparable to his body.

I don't see anything more than a couple drops of blood from Ban and King, especially in individual barrages.

There's other scenes where King and Ban are damaging him.

You mean Sacred Treasures that don't actually scale to characters normally, and True Magic Meliodas didn't use for his feat? This just proves my point 100% that they don't really scale to them.

?? I didn't understand this point.

 

[ByAsura]

Why? His sword is comparable to his body.

Because Escanor was weaker. Also, logically, swords can cut people apart.

There's other scenes where King and Ban are damaging him.

I can’t really find much more than a few drops. There may be one scene where King is throwing projectiles, but the art makes it kind of confusing.

?? I didn't understand this point.

Your counter is that Ban didn’t have his Sacred Treasure, but Sacred Treasures are more powerful than characters normally. So it doesn’t prove your True Magic case.

 

[GTsek]

I'd like to get SOL Ludociel but the people who disagree hasn't even responded to my rebuttal

Therefir talked about the gotoki and I replied. I've already said everything I have to say and I'm waiting for an answer from him on this, since he is a member of the staff and has knowledge in Japanese, probably his position will be decisive about this.

 

[ImposingTiger]

I can’t really find much more than a few drops. There may be one scene where King is throwing projectiles, but the art makes it kind of confusing.

There is some more. I'm just too lazy to find them.

Your counter is that Ban didn’t have his Sacred Treasure, but Sacred Treasures are more powerful than characters normally. So it doesn’t prove your True Magic case.

So you are arguing that Ban with ST is stronger than True Magic Meliodas. That makes no sense.

DK states Meliodas has a power that surpasses his own.

Zeldris states TM Meliodas is way stronger than DK, and it would make no sense to compare Meliodas to a weaker version of his father.

 

[ByAsura]

Even if they did the damage you claim, that doesn’t mean too much.

Ban in the tournament when he was established to be way weaker than Meliodas (even to the point where he was losing after he stole Meliodas’ power) could still harm him even without extra strength. Gilthunder and Guila can even do it with kicks and elbow jabs, and Ruin did it with punches.

Characters can be harmed to this extent by much weaker characters. DK Zel, as we talked about before, is even proof of that since a version of Escanor that was weaker than him could pierce his chest.

Edit: On second thought, this is kind of inconsistent. Ban was stronger than Galand, but he couldn’t really do any damage.

So you are arguing that Ban with ST is stronger than True Magic Meliodas. That makes no sense.

No, see the other arguments. This is just one of many factors.

DK states Meliodas has a power that surpasses his own.

Wasn’t that his weakened form?

Zeldris states TM Meliodas is way stronger than DK, and it would make no sense to compare Meliodas to a weaker version of his father.

He does not state way stronger. He states he’s as strong, and then corrects his assessment. This suggests it’s a pretty marginal gap.

Like the weakened DK he’s known his entire life?

Griamore says the same thing, and can only be referring to weaker versions of DK.

 

[Majinere566]

Therefir talked about the gotoki and I replied. I've already said everything I have to say and I'm waiting for an answer from him on this, since he is a member of the staff and has knowledge in Japanese, probably his position will be decisive about this.

Gotoki is one thing and since the counter arguments to Ludociel not being SOL is that it's a non literal comparison is rebutted that.

What I'm trying to say is that Therefir only gave his input on one part of the translation, I'll wait for him to give his input on the full translation but for now The presence of the word literally makes the non literal comparison, literal.

 

[Majinere566]

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