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Crap, I forgot about that ancient Babylonia tech. They were pretty advanced.
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Servants MFTL+ Rating
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I mean Gil does have SNI and a spaceship which he later uses in his ending, so that's a fine assumption to make, but when Nero and Archer can't say more than 'Oh we just could' while Tamamo warped space and BB did BB shenanigans, I don't see how that's indicative of their reactions being FTL.
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You're both wrong
It's because Gil
Is
The Rules.
It's because Gil
Is
The Rules.
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>You have literally nothing except a dumb statement that nothing can go FTL, in a series that has numerous FTL feats, so it should be ignored. Characters routinely go FTL, and that's that.
Why are you even bringing the Kiara statement in FGO into here now when we are discussing if this is Travel only?
>Archer, Nero, Caster and Gil all cross Massively FTL+ distances. Archer says he would travel to the end of the universe to fight alongside his Master after crossing light-years. Caster confirms she is faster-than-light. Gil is shown moving at Faster-than-Light speeds.
Yeah because they confronted BB, get BFR and then cross said distance again, so they know were they where going.
Why are you even bringing the Kiara statement in FGO into here now when we are discussing if this is Travel only?
>Archer, Nero, Caster and Gil all cross Massively FTL+ distances. Archer says he would travel to the end of the universe to fight alongside his Master after crossing light-years. Caster confirms she is faster-than-light. Gil is shown moving at Faster-than-Light speeds.
Yeah because they confronted BB, get BFR and then cross said distance again, so they know were they where going.
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One more thing. The feat in the cutscene is replicated by every playable Servant. Just so there is no confusion.
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Knowing where you're going and reacting are two different things.
I know where a bullet is going but I obviously can't react to it.
I know where a bullet is going but I obviously can't react to it.
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That's a ridiculous false-equivalency. That'd be more like if you were the bullet.
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> I know where a bullet is going but I obviously can't react to it.
Depends on the distance.
Depends on the distance.
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Yeah no
I can't react to a bullet.
I can't react to a bullet.
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You could from like 500 meters away.
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>Ignoring Gil's scene which is on-screen keke.
Ignoring the fact that we only see him crossing moments before *sudden white screen* keke.
Which goes for other servants too.
Them stating being "Faster than light!" doesn't even mean they can fight at such speed, only that they can cross it (as shown pretty much)
Ignoring the fact that we only see him crossing moments before *sudden white screen* keke.
Which goes for other servants too.
Them stating being "Faster than light!" doesn't even mean they can fight at such speed, only that they can cross it (as shown pretty much)
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Uh, ALRF. Do you know what Stellar Parallax even means? The only way for the stars to be moving like that in Gil's scene is via him moving at Massively FTL+ speeds. We've done calcs like that for Sonic and Lavos.
They crossed interstellar distances in seconds.
They saying they can move faster than light means they are faster than light. It's so simple, you're honestly grasping at straws now.
They crossed interstellar distances in seconds.
They saying they can move faster than light means they are faster than light. It's so simple, you're honestly grasping at straws now.
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And I frankly don't even see why, I have already answered your point that the feats are travel by explaining why they'd scale, to which you say 'Yeah but they're travel".
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In which your points don't even cover anything up. Your only point is that they crossed said distances which is MFTL+ without giving me something to show that it is in combat/reaction. And when we get statements like Nero or Archer (guy literally says that "Heros are always in the nick of time or smth like that" and doesn't go "I went FTL!", it really doesn't help)
- Archer,Nero and Gil definitely crosses MFTL+ distance but that's it. Nothing to say it's combat when literally some of them don't even act or don't know what happened or is just vague as hell.
- BB is quite useless, her feat is mostly done through hax with only a single statement of her saying she went LP without any further proof that it somehow also translates to Combat/React.
- Them saying they went FTL doesn't even prove to me anything. And heck it even is contradictory as some like Caster bluntly states she reduced distance to go there.
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"In which your points don't even cover anything up. Your only point is that they crossed said distances which is MFTL+ without giving me something to show that it is in combat/reaction."
Yes I gave. You just fail to address it. Want me to post it again?
"And when we get statements like Nero or Archer (guy literally says that "Heros are always in the nick of time or smth like that" and doesn't go "I went FTL!", it really doesn't help)"
Why is the core of your argument centered around one-liners?
"Archer,Nero and Gil definitely crosses MFTL+ distance but that's it. Nothing to say it's combat when literally some of them don't even act or don't know what happened or is just vague as hell."
They cross distance at MFTL+ speed, thus they are MFTL+. How is this an impossible concept for you to understand? They knew where to stop, where they were going, and have not shown anything that contradicts it. You have once again failed to understand the standards of how this works here in the wiki. You need to show that it doesn't scale.
BB said she moved at lightspeed, and the Moon Cell is what amped the Servants to Massively FTL+ level in the first place.
"Them saying they went FTL doesn't even prove to me anything. And heck it even is contradictory as some like Caster bluntly states she reduced distance to go there."
They saying they are FTL makes them FTL. Again, this is basic.
Yes I gave. You just fail to address it. Want me to post it again?
"And when we get statements like Nero or Archer (guy literally says that "Heros are always in the nick of time or smth like that" and doesn't go "I went FTL!", it really doesn't help)"
Why is the core of your argument centered around one-liners?
"Archer,Nero and Gil definitely crosses MFTL+ distance but that's it. Nothing to say it's combat when literally some of them don't even act or don't know what happened or is just vague as hell."
They cross distance at MFTL+ speed, thus they are MFTL+. How is this an impossible concept for you to understand? They knew where to stop, where they were going, and have not shown anything that contradicts it. You have once again failed to understand the standards of how this works here in the wiki. You need to show that it doesn't scale.
BB said she moved at lightspeed, and the Moon Cell is what amped the Servants to Massively FTL+ level in the first place.
"Them saying they went FTL doesn't even prove to me anything. And heck it even is contradictory as some like Caster bluntly states she reduced distance to go there."
They saying they are FTL makes them FTL. Again, this is basic.
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In regards to Travel / Combat divide:
Do you know why humans don't even pilot any plane above Mach 3? Because it's frankly impossible. It's much harder than to pilot a car at 120 KMH than at 40 KMH, let alone at supersonic speeds. At a certain speed our reactions make it impossible for us to pilot a vehicle, and this is why Plane pilots need such high assistance and their movement to be telegraphed often kilometers ahead.
Also, the speed of reaction and quick movement of a human is superior than travel always. You can legit move your arm faster than Usain Bolt can run, and the speed of the human thought is equally faster.
Travel and Combat Speed divide is frankly illogical on multiple ways, and Short-burst speed is almost unilaterally portrayed as faster than sustained speed in fiction.
See people who can only run at Subsonic speeds but react in Nanoseconds in Warhammer and Star Wars.
And the idea that a person who can move at 1,000,000,000c can't react a 1 trillionth of that speed is absurd. So we automatically scale Travel Speed to Combat UNLESS PROVEN THE CONTRARY.
Posting this again.
Do you know why humans don't even pilot any plane above Mach 3? Because it's frankly impossible. It's much harder than to pilot a car at 120 KMH than at 40 KMH, let alone at supersonic speeds. At a certain speed our reactions make it impossible for us to pilot a vehicle, and this is why Plane pilots need such high assistance and their movement to be telegraphed often kilometers ahead.
Also, the speed of reaction and quick movement of a human is superior than travel always. You can legit move your arm faster than Usain Bolt can run, and the speed of the human thought is equally faster.
Travel and Combat Speed divide is frankly illogical on multiple ways, and Short-burst speed is almost unilaterally portrayed as faster than sustained speed in fiction.
See people who can only run at Subsonic speeds but react in Nanoseconds in Warhammer and Star Wars.
And the idea that a person who can move at 1,000,000,000c can't react a 1 trillionth of that speed is absurd. So we automatically scale Travel Speed to Combat UNLESS PROVEN THE CONTRARY.
Posting this again.
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They flew through their own speed. There was not pre-set coordenate or hyperspace involved.PaChi2 said:
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>They cross distance at MFTL+ speed, thus they are MFTL+. How is this an impossible concept for you to understand? They knew where to stop, where they were going, and have not shown anything that contradicts it.
Dude i know they are MFTL+ just that they aren't in Combat/Reaction.
>where they were going
Duh, because they were once there but got BFR'd by BB
>They knew where to stop
And that's the problem. The feat of them "stopping" is vague as hell. Who could say that they stopped waaay before they got back? It doesn't help that visuals only give us a white screen.
>Why is the core of your argument centered around one-liners?
Why you think they are one-liners? Especially when it is clear and cut.
Dude i know they are MFTL+ just that they aren't in Combat/Reaction.
>where they were going
Duh, because they were once there but got BFR'd by BB
>They knew where to stop
And that's the problem. The feat of them "stopping" is vague as hell. Who could say that they stopped waaay before they got back? It doesn't help that visuals only give us a white screen.
>Why is the core of your argument centered around one-liners?
Why you think they are one-liners? Especially when it is clear and cut.
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"Dude i know they are MFTL+ just that they aren't in Combat/Reaction."
You have yet to prove that. c:
"Duh, because they were once there but got BFR'd by BB"
Unless they have perceptions with light-years range they wouldn't know where to go.
"And that's the problem. The feat of them "stopping" is vague as hell. Who could say that they stopped waaay before they got back? It doesn't help that visuals only give us a white screen."
They are not shown spending hours slowing down. In fact the feats happen in seconds. They stopped virtually instantly.
"Why you think they are one-liners? Especially when it is clear and cut."
Because "Heroes always arrive in time!" is a one-liner, not an indicator that it doesn't scale to speed. You are stretching things considerably.
You have yet to prove that. c:
"Duh, because they were once there but got BFR'd by BB"
Unless they have perceptions with light-years range they wouldn't know where to go.
"And that's the problem. The feat of them "stopping" is vague as hell. Who could say that they stopped waaay before they got back? It doesn't help that visuals only give us a white screen."
They are not shown spending hours slowing down. In fact the feats happen in seconds. They stopped virtually instantly.
"Why you think they are one-liners? Especially when it is clear and cut."
Because "Heroes always arrive in time!" is a one-liner, not an indicator that it doesn't scale to speed. You are stretching things considerably.
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You are totally ignoring Nero who didn't know what happened the moment she crossed the Nebula. If she truly had the reaction, she would know perfectly know what happened. Except that she didn't. Others just goes around normally.
And her other feat (really others) against BB didn't involve her own speed as she clearly states "That she was cheating after gaining their own Formal Wear which works somehow like her Imperial Privilege"
Then i guess Tamamo teleporting was just a guess? When she should logically know were they are as they got BFR'd by BB.
>They are not shown spending hours slowing down. In fact the feats happen in seconds. They stopped virtually instantly.
Dunno really. the way i seee it is :
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And her other feat (really others) against BB didn't involve her own speed as she clearly states "That she was cheating after gaining their own Formal Wear which works somehow like her Imperial Privilege"
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Then i guess Tamamo teleporting was just a guess? When she should logically know were they are as they got BFR'd by BB.
>They are not shown spending hours slowing down. In fact the feats happen in seconds. They stopped virtually instantly.
Dunno really. the way i seee it is :
- Travels
- Sudden White screen
- Now lands
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"You are totally ignoring Nero who didn't know what happened the moment she crossed the Nebula. If she truly had the reaction, she would know perfectly know what happened."
That is more like Nero's personality, than a clear indication. Everyone else knew exactly what they were doing.
BB also states she is Lightspeed, so...
The white screen is a transition shot. It was virtually instant. The master didn't stay isolated from their Servant for hours.
That is more like Nero's personality, than a clear indication. Everyone else knew exactly what they were doing.
BB also states she is Lightspeed, so...
The white screen is a transition shot. It was virtually instant. The master didn't stay isolated from their Servant for hours.
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This thread is a giant full circle between me and ALRF o3o
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Indeed, and it's beautiful
At the moment Reinhard and Khorne are drinking together watching this.
At the moment Reinhard and Khorne are drinking together watching this.
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I don't doubt you can't, I'm talking about athletic human-level guys lolGargoyle One said:
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Should I even bother giving my 2 cents here? I'll just say I disagree due to Matt's reasons
