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Servants MFTL+ Rating
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Even though you were flung to the edge of the galaxy......!
Even if this is a conceptual space, you shouldn't have been able to cross that distance in an instant!
Are you able to fly faster than light?
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Of course, I came flying faster than light!
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Even though you were flung to the edge of the galaxy......!
Even if this is a conceptual space, you shouldn't have been able to cross that distance in an instant!
Are you able to fly faster than light?
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Of course, I came flying faster than light!
At any rate, I won't let my master by seduced by a demon in this critical moment.
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Same gal who said she came flying faster than light.
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Archer: What.
Master is in danger, that is enough for me to go beyond the impossible.
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Archer: In the first place, she is someone I will follow to the end of the universe.
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Archer: Alright----- here's the return ticket, receive it!
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Archer: What.
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Archer: In the first place, she is someone I will follow to the end of the universe.
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Archer: Alright----- here's the return ticket, receive it!
He outright flew to her.
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Nero also went FTL, and Gil used a ship moved by his thoughts which is part of him.
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Flash stepping at FTL to act like your teleportating is a thing
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You didn't debunk Nero at all, and now Gil has showings of FTL speed without ship.
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So:
1) Archer, Nero and Gil all show Massively FTL+ speeds.
2) Caster outright states she can fly at faster than light speeds through magic
3) BB states she is Faster than Light
4) Ishtar, even when heavily weakened as a Servant, has Massively FTL arrows.
1) Archer, Nero and Gil all show Massively FTL+ speeds.
2) Caster outright states she can fly at faster than light speeds through magic
3) BB states she is Faster than Light
4) Ishtar, even when heavily weakened as a Servant, has Massively FTL arrows.
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Yeah, that cutscene has Gilgamesh flying billion times FTL and landing next to Hakuno. Pretty good if you ask me.
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Also in regards to teleportation: There are plenty of verses where teleportation is just moving at faster speeds.
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She also says she moves faster than light explictly after being asked if she moved faster than light. Something's not right.
Regardless Massively FTL+ should stay due to all the other feats.
Regardless Massively FTL+ should stay due to all the other feats.
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You have yet to prove it is travel only. I see no evidence.
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So no one has any proof of MFTL+ combat speed/reactions and are just assuming it just because they can travel that fast, keeping in mind that most of them don't even know how it happened, one outright teleported and one has a spaceship.
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It would be good if someone addressed the cutscene as well, and not just pretended it didn't happen.
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Nobody has any proof of it being Travel Speed only. I only see an extremely outdated assumption that because the feat is travel, it only scales to travel. One may look only at Comicbook, DBS, and many other series to see that's not the case.
They flew that fast. That's what happened. It happens multiple times.
They flew that fast. That's what happened. It happens multiple times.
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Your OP has been debunked throughouly throughout this thread. Can you show evidence that there is a Combat / Travel Speed Divide? No you can't. It scales.
Also statements which are contradicted by feats go right into the trash bin. The author is simply being stupid and not knowing the power of their own characters'.
Also the argument of vagueness is amazing.
Archer, Nero, Caster and Gil all cross Massively FTL+ distances. Archer says he would travel to the end of the universe to fight alongside his Master after crossing light-years. Caster confirms she is faster-than-light. Gil is show moving at Faster-than-Light speeds.
You have literally nothing except a dumb statement that nothing can go FTL, in a series that has numerous FTL feats, so it should be ignored. Characters routinely go FTL, and that's that.
Also statements which are contradicted by feats go right into the trash bin. The author is simply being stupid and not knowing the power of their own characters'.
Also the argument of vagueness is amazing.
Archer, Nero, Caster and Gil all cross Massively FTL+ distances. Archer says he would travel to the end of the universe to fight alongside his Master after crossing light-years. Caster confirms she is faster-than-light. Gil is show moving at Faster-than-Light speeds.
You have literally nothing except a dumb statement that nothing can go FTL, in a series that has numerous FTL feats, so it should be ignored. Characters routinely go FTL, and that's that.
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There's been no such debunking at all. There's no evidence either way, so why say that it scales just because you say so?
So you think you know better than Nasu, the person who oversaw and wrote most of Extra/CCC how his characters work? Great, then you should clearly be able to explain the nature of the power up and how it granted them such capabilites.
So you think you know better than Nasu, the person who oversaw and wrote most of Extra/CCC how his characters work? Great, then you should clearly be able to explain the nature of the power up and how it granted them such capabilites.
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Because we outright assume it does until evidence of the contrary. This is how it works.
And yes, in the case of Fate characters being FTL, I do evidently known more than Nasu, seeing as he is utterly wrong in his statement. Just like I know more about Thor than the writer who said he has Human level speed, just like I know more about Odin than the writer who said he is a Planet-buster at best.
Vs.Debating people routinely show more knowledge of characters than the writers in terms of their capabilities because writers don't care for Vs. Debating.
Also, in regards to Travel / Combat divide:
Do you know why humans don't even pilot any plane above Mach 3? Because it's frankly impossible. It's much harder than to pilot a car at 120 KMH than at 40 KMH, let alone at supersonic speeds. At a certain speed our reactions make it impossible for us to pilot a vehicle, and this is why Plane pilots need such high assistance and their movement to be telegraphed often kilometers ahead.
Also, the speed of reaction and quick movement of a human is superior than travel always. You can legit move your arm faster than Usain Bolt can run, and the speed of the human thought is equally faster.
Travel and Combat Speed divide is frankly illogical on multiple ways, and Short-burst speed is almost unilaterally portrayed as faster than sustained speed in fiction.
See people who can only run at Subsonic speeds but react in Nanoseconds in Warhammer and Star Wars.
And the idea that a person who can move at 1,000,000,000c can't react a 1 trillionth of that speed is absurd. So we automatically scale Travel Speed to Combat UNLESS PROVEN THE CONTRARY.
And yes, in the case of Fate characters being FTL, I do evidently known more than Nasu, seeing as he is utterly wrong in his statement. Just like I know more about Thor than the writer who said he has Human level speed, just like I know more about Odin than the writer who said he is a Planet-buster at best.
Vs.Debating people routinely show more knowledge of characters than the writers in terms of their capabilities because writers don't care for Vs. Debating.
Also, in regards to Travel / Combat divide:
Do you know why humans don't even pilot any plane above Mach 3? Because it's frankly impossible. It's much harder than to pilot a car at 120 KMH than at 40 KMH, let alone at supersonic speeds. At a certain speed our reactions make it impossible for us to pilot a vehicle, and this is why Plane pilots need such high assistance and their movement to be telegraphed often kilometers ahead.
Also, the speed of reaction and quick movement of a human is superior than travel always. You can legit move your arm faster than Usain Bolt can run, and the speed of the human thought is equally faster.
Travel and Combat Speed divide is frankly illogical on multiple ways, and Short-burst speed is almost unilaterally portrayed as faster than sustained speed in fiction.
See people who can only run at Subsonic speeds but react in Nanoseconds in Warhammer and Star Wars.
And the idea that a person who can move at 1,000,000,000c can't react a 1 trillionth of that speed is absurd. So we automatically scale Travel Speed to Combat UNLESS PROVEN THE CONTRARY.
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Without going into too much detail.
The speed SHOULD be changed for the types as they are stated to be the strongest beings in the Nasuverse, so every Angel Notes 4B should be MFTL+
The speed SHOULD be changed for the types as they are stated to be the strongest beings in the Nasuverse, so every Angel Notes 4B should be MFTL+
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I am interested as to when that statement was made.
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^If this is the case, they should scale to MFTL+Reppuzan said:
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Tom Brevoort said that Thor can't punch 100 times in a minute which is something real life humans have done. A Thor writer said that Odin is only a Planet-buster in an interview. Both statements are ignorant rubbish that go into the trash bin.
Alongside the "No Servants can move FTL" statement by Kiara, who is proven wrong in CCC.
Alongside the "No Servants can move FTL" statement by Kiara, who is proven wrong in CCC.
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Agreed.Gargoyle One said:
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No one has ever once said that they can't move FTL at all in this thread, unless you've misread something horribly. The circumstances behind it, with one telportation via warping space and the rest being 'Oh I could just do it so I did it thanks to X' just don't support the Travel = Combat Speed assumption. Considering that this is the only time we see this happen and we don't get any visuals or statements on their fights about how fast they move, I can't see how one can support the above assumption.
Also, I don't see why we need to bring in Marvel authors considering that Extra and CCC were completely written by Nasu himself, who does plan out a lot of his verse mechanics. It's basically a false equivalency.
Also, I don't see why we need to bring in Marvel authors considering that Extra and CCC were completely written by Nasu himself, who does plan out a lot of his verse mechanics. It's basically a false equivalency.
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When are you going to talk about the cutscene where we see everything? Since that's one of your complaints.
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>Moving FTL casually doens't support FTL Combat & Reactions.
I am become keke.
>Don't get any visuals
Ignoring Gil's scene which is on-screen keke.
And it is not a false-equivalency. Writers are often dead wrong
I am become keke.
>Don't get any visuals
Ignoring Gil's scene which is on-screen keke.
And it is not a false-equivalency. Writers are often dead wrong
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It hurts the narrative so...ThisIsMySwagPack said:
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The cutscene doesn't show anything other than what we already know: that they can move across interstellar distances in a short time.
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It shows him landing next to Hakuno...while going billion times FTL, ffs. How did he react to that? How was he able to accomplish that?
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You don't understand, Swag. Clearly he has some super-advanced targeting system that had him aim his entire trajectory and program the moment of slowing before flying. He can't react at such speeds, he had no idea where he was going nor any means of stopping at the right place.
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