SCP-682 vs The Avatar of Calamity

[Kaltias]

@Homu

I guess? Cal said that it was alright if it's a constant power growth thing, which it is, or at least it's implied to be.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

@Gar Just want to confirm since two same answer is more convincing that one in this kind of thing. No offense to you of course

@Kal Thanks....*Leaves with a chaotic plans that is ready to be deployed*

 

[Kepekley23]

The Brothers Death banned SCP-682's 3-D form from dying, so i don't know how AoC can bypass his adaptation at all.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Rez from them is usually restricted. Same rule applies to 1440.

 

[SchroKatze]

Higher-Dimensional immortality is restricted by default

 

[DMUA]

Vs Thread Rule 19

SCP 628's type 8 gets restricted since the avatar has no way to bypass it.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Okay wow, this thread blew up. It seems extremely unfair to alloow a character to become tier 2 in a fight with a non tier 2 character, unfair to the point that it should be restricted by default. And how exactly does AoC BFR?

 

[Kaltias]

It dumps people into a nonexistent timeline outside the multiverse from which "at least 2-A" characters who naturally exists outside of space-time cannot escape.

Also the tier 2 thing was more of a "if literally everything else fails" scenario. It would be a consequence of absorbing 682 anyway, so it only actually protects against the timeline bust caused by 682 itself

 

[Kaltias]

Actually, if "drained" count as "dead" for universe bust purposes, the AoC doesn't need to be tier 2 to survive as it can simply go to the nonexistent timeline and be safe.

 

[Schnee_One]

Okay wow, this thread blew up. It seems extremely unfair to alloow a character to become tier 2 in a fight with a non tier 2 character, unfair to the point that it should be restricted by default. And how exactly does AoC BFR?

Errr They're both 4A....How is it going to be tier 2?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Gargoyle There was talk of the AoC continually draining 682 until it became tier 2, but as Kal explained that would only be a failsafe

 

[SomebodyData]

@Gar AoC grows to 2-A over a relatively small time frame.

@Everyone What would happen if AoC got SCP's abilities via duplication?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Kal 682 would most likely take it over

 

[Kaltias]

The AoC is pretty resistant to being possessed tho. Even then, 682 takes over its body, AoC simply posses a Wraith using it as a replacement.

 

[Kaltias]

Basically the AoC can do this:

A) BFR to the nonexistent timeline

B) If it doesn't work, drain 682.

Now if this count as "dead", self-BFR to nonexistence, became tier 2 as a failsafe (which arguably happens automatically if it drains a universal constant like 682).

If it doesn't count it can either try again the BFR which is more likely to work given that 682 was just drained down to its concepts and all so its pretty weakened, or just leave it here as it should be more than enough to incap.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Would 682 get the AoC's powers if it (682) takes over its (The AoC) body?

 

[Kaltias]

Unlikely. Not only the AoC would most likely drain them back, but 682 would have to take over a few thousands of replacement bodies beforehand because it can keep body hopping between them (that's not counting that it keeps making more, as well). The thing that gives the AoC its powers isn't the body (that's quite literally only a corrupted Wraith) but the fact that it carries UKG's curses

 

[SomebodyData]

Again, what's stopping AoC from duplicating the SCP and gaining all of its powers but on a superior variation.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Again, what's stopping AoC from duplicating the SCP and gaining all of its powers but on a superior variation.

Nothing, I'm afraid.

 

[Dat_Dot]

AoC for reason above.

AoC vs BB when?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@SD What would that even do? All that would do is make 682 stronger by adapting if the clone doesnt outright join 682.

 

[Peter1129]

The AoC spam needs to stop. It has already defeated Gilgamesh and Altair. Now it's winning against Yhwach, Hunter, SCP-682, Reinhard and possibly Rimuru.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Kal Okay, gimme a quick summary of what the AoC can do to win this

 

[Schnee_One]

The AoC spam needs to stop. It has already defeated Gilgamesh and Altair. Now it's winning against Yhwach, Hunter, SCP-682, Reinhard and possibly Rimuru.

It still loses to Emperor and Hades. So it ain't THAT OP XD

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

@WB Duplicates that superior than the original (each of them can use the abilities of the victim they copied as well as AoC own abilites), Drains/absorbtion that works on 2-A (something that beyond 3-D incarnation 682 paygrade), BFR to nonexistence timeline (something that not even an omnipresent being stronger than Ultimate Madoka can escape nor that she can enter it).

@Gar Nicol Bolas could possibly beat AoC too.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Homu That would just give 682 an opportunity to adapt to become stronger, unless it works on 1-Bs that drain isnt going to phase 682, and do i need to bring up the list of BFRs 682 has resisted?

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

When did the lizard adept something from 1-B? Also, it took him years to get out from BFR, AoC only needs to BFR him for a week.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Homu What exactly does the AoC drain? 682's essence is 1-B. And no, it took him years to escape being BFRed to a realm that was for all intents and purposes 500% impossible for him to escape from due to the nature of the realm and the fact that not only was it a 1-B realm, but 682 is barred from utilizing the only means of escaping, and it took extensive prep time and an extremely powerful ritual to send 682 there. 682 has escaped all other forms of BFR in a few hours in all other instances, except the experiment with 2521 where 2521 couldnt BFR 682 at all.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

What? This is 4-A version we used, not the 1-B version. And AoC drains life, soul, and emotion of the victim instantly. It also works on 2-A non-corporal, omnipresent, abstract, conceptual entity with Mid-godly regen who also doesn't have a soul. His adaptation best feats is 4-A, his low 2-C feats is via dying. It doesn't makes sense if his 3-D incarnation which his highest key is Low 2-C via dying would survived a 2-A hax just because it has "potentially higher" listed in its profile. His adaptation full potential is unknown and it potentially can reached to 1-B level just like you said, but it has never been confirmed and you can just say that he will adept to something infinitely stronger than anything he ever faced before.

Also, how would he gonna escape BFR after he gets drained?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Oh im aware. 4-A 682 still has a 1-B essence. 682 doesnt have a soul, isnt technically "alive", and emotion drain wont really...do much...? Im not saying 682 would adapt to that level, im saying that if the best its worked on is a 2-A, then it shouldnt do anything to 682's 1-B essence in the first place.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Madoka also doesn't have a soul with mid-godly, and she still get drains just fine. And if its 1-B esssence, how is its dying state only low 2-C?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Because 682 is a 3-D shell for the essence of a Leviathan. The Low 2-C is due to the shell dying.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

I see. But I don't see him getting out alive against an army of 682 who also have an adaptation ability better than him. This also could be used to buy some time until AoC reached its maximum potential and bust the Multiverse along with 682. I don't see him survived Multiversal destruction.

Edit: Actually, being 2-C is enough so 682 low 2-C dying wouldn't affect AoC.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Homu The thing is, even 682 cant kill 682. Theyve had two 682s fight and it was a stalemate until they decided to join forces, and 682 cant even commit suicide despite being exposed to SCPs that made him actively attempt to do so. Like i said, making an army of 682s is just going to lead to an adpatationfest if the 682 clones dont end up joining the original 682 in the first place. Hell, making stronger versions of 682 might be a worse idea seeing as 682 adapts proportional to the power of the thing he's fighting, and seeing as he literally adapted to a 4-A opponent to the point where he could very literally shrug off its attacks like it threw a ball of paper at him, making more is just gonna make the original 682 stronger while the clones dont adapt as fast or as much. And according to Kal, the multiverse bust is only a failsafe.

Im not saying 682 can kill the AoC though.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

The duplicates are actually superior to the original. This is the proof of it. Also yeah, the second point still stands. AoC has the intelligence of Homura Akemi, it will prepares to use the last resort if needed. Don't see how 682 will kill AoC on time.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Im aware of that but the point is the entire point of 682's adaptation is it adapts based on what its fighting, so creating several stronger clones of 682 would simultaneously be an advantage to the original while also being a hindrance to the clones. 682's adaptation would kick into overdrive due to fighting multiple opponents stronger than itself while their adaptation would slow to a crawl due to fighting a single, weaker opponent.

A 2-A multiverse bust seems kinda unfair TBH, it shold be restricted like 682's universe bust is whenever he fights someone who cant tank it.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

How is it unfair? It's probably the only way now for AoC to take down 682. If we restrict that, then this match would be all but pointless since pretty sure the lizard won't go down by everything that had been mentioned. It's not like AoC can do it immediately.

 

[SomebodyData]

AoC would also gain SCP's knowledge and abilities via the duplications, and spread them amoung all of the corrupted wraiths / falslings (Using this as a nickname for the duplicates).

Well it would could just simply arrive to a point where it one shots (but not stompy)

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Actually curious to know if 682 can counter absorb being absorbed.

And if that results in the falsling in turn adapting to counter being absorbed themselves.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Exactly, 682 can pretty much take down AoC via numerous ways, but to do that, he must have through the army of hia duplicates first. His Low 2-C death isn't even restricted anyway.

Also SD, are you voting?