SCP-682 VS Kamijou Touma

[Zhaoshuais]

Battlefield:no escape,no fly. We don't fear 682 to absorb IB,as that means 682 lost all other abilities.And IB is the base of rule for universe,so nothing can immune it.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

So wait, if im reading this correctly, 682 is not allowed to run away and not allowed to fly, is not allowed to absorb Imagine Breaker, and this is the 5-B (Non-out;ier) version of Imagine Breaker?

 

[GreatestSin]

if scps body can be negated than this ends in toumas win,

if his body cant be negated than this ends with spcs win,

PS: what is the reason for nerfing a character so much in order to give another char a chance? why not directly using a char that could become a worthy enemy?

 

[Zhaoshuais]

IB can negate magical creatures,break them into pieces without any magical power.But if human with supernatural power is touched by IB,it doesn't kill human. But considering 682's body condition,it has to be a supernatural creature,that means IB can kill it easily.

 

[Zhaoshuais]

So wait, if im reading this correctly, 682 is not allowed to run away and not allowed to fly, is not allowed to absorb Imagine Breaker, and this is the 5-B (Non-out;ier) version of Imagine Breaker?

If 682 absorb IB,it lost all other abilities,then everyone know how to kill it.And IB only belongs to Touma,unique,so cannot be absorbed. The battlefield is a small room,so fly is impossible.For a battle,we can see escape as lost. IB doesn't have version,in fact,I believe it should be higher than magic gods,that means at least 2C.

 

[GreatestSin]

IB can negate magical creatures,break them into pieces without any magical power.But if human with supernatural power is touched by IB,it doesn't kill human.
But considering 682's body condition,it has to be a supernatural creature,that means IB can kill it easily.

yeah, than touma wins because spc doesnt run/dodge forever

 

[WeeklyBattles]

IB can negate magical creatures,break them into pieces without any magical power.But if human with supernatural power is touched by IB,it doesn't kill human.
But considering 682's body condition,it has to be a supernatural creature,that means IB can kill it easily.

yeah, than touma wins because spc doesnt run/dodge forever

Can Imagine Breaker destroy 682's conciousness? Or just its body?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

So wait, if im reading this correctly, 682 is not allowed to run away and not allowed to fly, is not allowed to absorb Imagine Breaker, and this is the 5-B (Non-out;ier) version of Imagine Breaker?

If 682 absorb IB,it lost all other abilities,then everyone know how to kill it.And IB only belongs to Touma,unique,so cannot be absorbed.
The battlefield is a small room,so fly is impossible.For a battle,we can see escape as lost. IB doesn't have version,in fact,I believe it should be higher than magic gods,that means at least 2C.

If 682 absorbs Imagine Breaker you'd be giving a genius the ability to negate anything LITERALLY ANYTHING the Foundation has at its disposal...and you cant really base the battle on what YOU think the stats are, just saying.

 

[GreatestSin]

Can Imagine Breaker destroy 682's conciousness? Or just its body?

the only example we have about destroying beings that dont belong into the real world is with a archangel, and there it was said that the body who was bound to the earthw as destroyed so that it could go back to its correct place,

i guess he only destroys the body, SPC doesnt have any of its powers so revivel is also taken away :/

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Imagine Breaker can stop things from regenerating?

 

[Zhaoshuais]

Imagine Breaker can stop things from regenerating?

if touch the core,IB can stop regenerate,and destroy opponent item at once.

 

[Zhaoshuais]

So wait, if im reading this correctly, 682 is not allowed to run away and not allowed to fly, is not allowed to absorb Imagine Breaker, and this is the 5-B (Non-out;ier) version of Imagine Breaker?

If 682 absorb IB,it lost all other abilities,then everyone know how to kill it.And IB only belongs to Touma,unique,so cannot be absorbed.
The battlefield is a small room,so fly is impossible.For a battle,we can see escape as lost. IB doesn't have version,in fact,I believe it should be higher than magic gods,that means at least 2C.

If 682 absorbs Imagine Breaker you'd be giving a genius the ability to negate anything LITERALLY ANYTHING the Foundation has at its disposal...and you cant really base the battle on what YOU think the stats are, just saying.

But IB's holder lost all other supernatural abilities as they are all IBed.That's why Touma is lv0.

And if 682 lost all other abilities,with only IB,you know,the Keter would be changed into Euclid,and can be killed,or at least controled easily.

What's more,IB is unique and only belong to Touma,that means,absorb or copy IB is impossible.

 

[Zhaoshuais]

IB can negate magical creatures,break them into pieces without any magical power.But if human with supernatural power is touched by IB,it doesn't kill human.
But considering 682's body condition,it has to be a supernatural creature,that means IB can kill it easily.

yeah, than touma wins because spc doesnt run/dodge forever

Can Imagine Breaker destroy 682's conciousness? Or just its body?

Considering 682's body has so many supernatural abilities,it has to be considered as supernatural creature,then IB means kill at once,or at least exile from the universe.

 

[Zhaoshuais]

IB can negate magical creatures,break them into pieces without any magical power.But if human with supernatural power is touched by IB,it doesn't kill human.
But considering 682's body condition,it has to be a supernatural creature,that means IB can kill it easily.

yeah, than touma wins because spc doesnt run/dodge forever

Run is considered as defeat here,and 682's speed is not a problem for Touma at all.

 

[Zhaoshuais]

Can Imagine Breaker destroy 682's conciousness? Or just its body?

the only example we have about destroying beings that dont belong into the real world is with a archangel, and there it was said that the body who was bound to the earthw as destroyed so that it could go back to its correct place,
i guess he only destroys the body, SPC doesnt have any of its powers so revivel is also taken away :/

That's enough,as 682 should also be archangel's level at most.As there is an opinion says that Clef is Satan of that universe,and it seems 682 is at the same level,according to their meet.Then a superpower which can destroy an archangel would certainly work.

 

[GreatestSin]

Run is considered as defeat here,and 682's speed is not a problem for Touma at all.

touma is only peak human in movement with MHS+ reaction speed, SPC is superhuman in movement, i dont see how he could catch SPC if it tried to run away but since you took away this too it will inevitably end in toumas win...

 

[LazyHunter]

Touma vs super crocodile of doom? Someone has clearly not read NT16.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Imagine Breaker can stop things from regenerating?

if touch the core,IB can stop regenerate,and destroy opponent item at once.

682 doesnt have a core, it just regenerates, and can regenerate from nothing but a disembodied conciousness.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

IB can negate magical creatures,break them into pieces without any magical power.But if human with supernatural power is touched by IB,it doesn't kill human.
But considering 682's body condition,it has to be a supernatural creature,that means IB can kill it easily.

yeah, than touma wins because spc doesnt run/dodge forever

Can Imagine Breaker destroy 682's conciousness? Or just its body?

Considering 682's body has so many supernatural abilities,it has to be considered as supernatural creature,then IB means kill at once,or at least exile from the universe.

Exile from the universe wouldnt work, 682 is immune to being BFRed out of the universe...

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Well to be fair, he's not immune, it's just a futile effort because he always comes back. If you pull a Pre-Supes and seal that universe off from the rest of the multiverse, then that's something to think about...

 

[GreatestSin]

682 doesnt have a core, it just regenerates, and can regenerate from nothing but a disembodied conciousness.

he cant regenerate because OP made a rule: as that means 682 lost all other abilities

 

[WeeklyBattles]

? No the OP said that if 682 absorbs Imagine Breaker he would lose all of his abilities. If ALL of 682's abilities are restricted at the beginning of the fight then this is a massively one-sided stomp

 

[Andykhang]

Well, in theory, 682 would have demolish him, just by dodging away faster than him and pounding far-range attack. With Touma luck though, he would survive, though he would then be incapacitated.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Well, in theory, 682 would have demolish him, just by dodging away faster than him and pounding far-range attack. With Touma luck though, he would survive, though he would then be incapacitated.

I thought Touma had bad luck? Like...REALLY bad luck, bad enough for it to be considered a weakness...

 

[Andykhang]

^No, he have NO luck, either good or bad, since luck is supernatural. That's why he's always survive even the most ridiculous odd, because no odd's applied to him as all (and if you count luck as a gift of god, he's basically immune to reaper)

 

[LazyHunter]

He has bad luck, that's canon and one of the reasons he is a poor matchup with 50/50 Othinus, but because of a offhand comment by Othinus later while she was torturing that was meant to mock him, some people try to claim it's a form of canon plot armor.

 

[Andykhang]

^Bad luck is still considered luck though, and luck is supernatural. Hence, his IB negated it. It's a point explored many times in canon, and even he recognize it in his Othinus battle.

 

[LazyHunter]

No, I think it's simply a difference from the concepts of luck between the West and East, it sometimes shows up in anime. Japanese believe that you require a minimum amount of luck to be protected from everyday's misfortune (this luck usually comes from gods/blessings/etc). Thus, to have no luck is to lack protection against misfortune. IB nullifies any luck Touma would receive, leaving him with none and exposed to misfortune.

 

[Andykhang]

^His hand dispel any supernatural force though, East and West and any form of religion alike. There're even magic curse in canon too, and he destroy them with ease.

And if you're counting East only, then there's the concept of Heaven and Hell, the candle of life and Yama. He's sooo not getting any of these right now.

 

[LazyHunter]

Not what I meant. I mean that since this is a japanese LN and the author is japanese, that's likely the definition and concept of luck Kamachi is using.

 

[Andykhang]

^Kamachi's also studied and used western religion concept though, so the definition and concept of luck that he used might be a mish-mash.

Also, with all of that misfortune, he should have die by now. But the concept of misfortune is entirely supernatural, sooo....

And anyway, this is getting off-topic.

 

[Zhaoshuais]

'Tsuchimikado Motoharu described Touma's luck as Hard Luck,that is,he may suffer a lot of misfortune,but nothing can really knock him down,and he would always come back with victory.That means,he may suffer a lot in process,but always win at last,that's Touma's luck,so in 'Tsuchimikado Motoharu's opinion,Touma is very lucky,although he has to suffer a lot of pain.

And another side of Touma's luck is his absurd harem.

 

[Andykhang]

^He would be too dense or too considerate though, so his harem's already paved the path to Misfortune. Starting with a bloodbath.

Off topic again.

 

[Zhaoshuais]

I guessed that Touma's misfortunes are from others,as he absorb misfortune from others,and avoid their misfortune.

For Index,he absorbed memory loss;for Misaka,he absorbed being injured by Accelerator;and the most exciting part is,he absorbed the misifotune of the world,that is,to be played as a toy and destroyed many many times by Othinus,then when Othinus became the enemy for all the world,he also absorb it from her,suffered the hostile from the whole world.

And the result is that he always become the savior.

In fact,I even guessed the IB holder before Touma should be Jesus Christ.

 

[Andykhang]

...Well, Jesus technically doesn't die, i guess? I don't think it absord Misfortune either, but rather that the world's luck sort of paved his way (meaning his action is decided by others), as I think.

Off-topic

 

[GreatestSin]

? No the OP said that if 682 absorbs Imagine Breaker he would lose all of his abilities. If ALL of 682's abilities are restricted at the beginning of the fight then this is a massively one-sided stomp

if that is the case SPC wins easily, at most i can see a inconclusive but touma doesnt have the abilitys to put him down for good and even if he does, the whole universe gets destroyed due to SPC being a universal constant or something like that :/

 

[Andykhang]

^It lose his ability when in touch though, meaning it probably won't destroy the universe...probably

 

[GreatestSin]

^if he manages to touch him and his IB is a one-touch-kill, than i dont think that his ability suddenly vanishes forever, he dies if he is touched, and than he is gone which results in the universe getting destroyed alongside with everything inside it making it a inconclusive,

but SCP is faster than touma so he can dodge any attempt to get touched...

 

[Zhaoshuais]

Touma's IB is the base of all the rule of universe,so it won't destroy universe,only change it to meet the rule in his hand.

 

[GreatestSin]

^? SCP is a universal constant (more or less like toaru-gabriel), at most IB could do was to remove him but SCP can revive himself at will, which is still not certain due to SCPs superior speed that could result in him dodging forever due to limitless stamina...