Her purpose was to ended Wanda, not the entire cosmos ,and Wanda is not that huge.Quicksilver can damage the Griever because Scarlet Witch casts her hex to make the impossible possible. And Polaris can slow her down because The Griever haven't use her full potential yet, not until the Scarlet witch join the battle.
•But she has confirmed many times in Scarlet witch series, that this is The Griever, who will end everything, every universes. She is The Griever that existed along with the Never Queen, exists beyond space-time. The Scarlet witch has changed the set path of the end of everything that's why she came to her. How is this her Universal-state?
Yes, I did-- and I have a suspicion about the Griever's profile.
Checking on Never Queen profile, she had two key at one point. Am sure Ultima forgot about her.
Thank you for the information
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I think that it seems more likely to have been the universal Griever in that case, but do not know if the writer cared about inconsistencies such as that Quicksilver was beating up an entity that is supposedly stronger than multiversal Eternity.
Well, I am uncertain in that case. It may just have been standard Marvel Comics writer extremely inconsistent powerscaling.
Scarlet witch just amped Quicksilver with her hex, she makes all the impossible possible.She is Ultimate Nexus, a being that can defy the Griever.
Again, it's not uncommon for Universal Abstracts to describe their nature in the context of their true states and Omniversal function. For example:
•I understand, but what I was talking about was-- in the Scarlet witch comic series the Griever in this series exists at the void and she destroyed the Edge of reality. So should this scale her to H1-A?
Why didn't I think of that? Never queen, she has never appeared in a shapeshifter. She has existed in Land couldn't be shouldn't be since the Silver Surfer book. Of course in the final book she was destroyed by beyonder. The effects of Eternity cause all of existence to collapse. It's pretty obvious that she lost to Destruction, and Never Queen is superior to The beyond. Another thing is the Ultimate group. Ultimate, I haven't seen any manifestations of either the Fifth Cosmos or the Sixth Cosmos. The only Eternity and Infinity that exists, the Never queen is the Fourth Cosmos (Pilgrim), shouldn't her have a manifestation? or you will add Manifestations to the entire Cosmos? My personal opinion I may have missed something, please point it out.
She explicitly wasn't trying to destroy everything iirc, just Wanda, which was why she needed those machines to focus her destructiveness in the first place
This is another of her specific weaknesses which was revealed in her first appearance, she has a hard time fighting lower dimensional creatures, Reed Richards compared it to a human trying to hold a bacteria in their hand, basically, people like QS and Polaris will actually last longer than an abstract against her
All in all, is there any progress on this CRT? I haven't seen any other staff here yetOkay. Noted.
Sadly. But right now I need your vote
Okay I'll waitI am not very good at high tier CRT evaluations, so I prefer to get some staff input first.
•I'm really curious about why should the Griever in this current run should be her Universal-state? I really understand about the contexts that Universal-form can refer to their Omniversal form-- but in this series it's not just her that mentioned about herself, everyone does mentioned that she will end everything, every realm, including the dead realm. Even an abstract entity like the Never Queen also mentioned her to be the end of all things, and exists along with her outside of creation.So if you have any panels about other characters that refer to an abstract entities Omniversal-state, even if they were an Universal-state, please provide the information. Thank you.
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Doesn't she have a universal m-body like other abstracts?
Well, Yoko disagrees, and some of the proofs provided are hinting at higher Griever even if we’re being sceptical. Yet she still has anti-feats like being unable to traverse the realms and such.
This particular argument for Griever being in her Omniversal state bewilders me, no offense. Her name is literally “Griever at the ends of all things,” how in the world do you describe her Universal State if not as the “end of all things?”
My point is that the author is portraying the Scarlet Witch as grappling with the end of all things, the end of everything, not the m-body. And why should this be her Universal-state? (Please reply all the questions above if you still disagree.I always respect your opinion.Thank you.)
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She wasn't summoned, she was drawn there, to the end of all things, which is a fancy way of saying - she went there, because she must.
That's also something I think you're misinterpreting. The spirits of mutants were described as "pilgrims to the Edge of the White Hot Room... mutants from the Waiting Room". They travelled to the Edge from the Waiting Room, which doesn't mean much.
I don't think the Edge of Reality has the same durability. Even assuming it does, its High 1-A rating comes from harming Never Queen at the specific moment in which "anything could happen". I'd personally argue that it is an ordinary blade durability-wise, that can negate durability and cut through anything.
Yes, she was drawn there. This proves my point that the Griever in the series is Omniversal-state, as evidenced by her inability to free herself to travel through dimensions. It's not her time to cut across to the Cosmos ,to bring about the end of everything.
The waiting room is a space between life and death, and Phoenix/WHR (Immortal X-Men #18) was described as life and death incarnate. (Defenders Beyond #2) And we also see the golden clouds around the spirits of mutants, isn't this looks similar to the clouds in the Waiting Room? I don't think that those mutants can cross plane of dimensions without the Waiting Room , which is a connection point to WHR. That's why I said that the Waiting Room and the White Hot Room are on the same plane.
I disagree. I have already addressed this since Monday at 14:59.
Huh? She can't free herself at all in the scan you're linking, she is free to travel creation by the grace of her sword. The Edge.
It doesn't ultimately matter. We don't know the nature of the Waiting Room. We can speculate, sure, and a possibly rating might be in order, but not much else. All we know is that those might be connected, but ultimately separate. Furthermore, we don't know how the pilgrims pilgriming from one place to another. In Defenders we learned that it is possible to reach it from the lower realms, and while foggy on the topic in Krakoa era, I recall it trivialized WHR a lot.
You've addressed everything but blade's durability and scans don't delve into the topic much as well.
I never said that she could. My point is that the end of everything hasn't arrived yet. Therefore, she wasn't drawn to the Cosmos in the same way she was when she was in the Overspace. She was unable to free herself , if it isn't the time for the end.
It does matter. We already know the nature of the Waiting Room: it was craved from the seat of magic, a place where magic lives and grows. It exists outside the Cosmos and is the pathway to the White Hot Room. The White Hot Room represents life and death, while the Waiting Room is a space in between. We have seen that the clouds at the edge of the White Hot Room are exactly the same as those in the Waiting Room. In 'Defenders-Beyond,' traveling through planes of dimensions is not easy, the Defenders fought high-beings from the Mystery to transcend to another plane.
How is this not delve into the topic?
The problem is that is your headcanon. The Griever in the Overspace never stated to be unable to travel between realities, and demonstrated the direct opposite.
Existing outside the cosmos does not automatically mean near the White Hot Room. And considering the WHR is also an Afterlife, one can assume the dead can go there on their own.
And this means nothing to its durability. Mysterium was mined in the WHR, but I bet you’d never accept it being High 1-A in durability.
The Omniversal-state was never stated to have the ability to travel dimensions either. Maybe she does, but her nature as the concept of the end of all things has limited her; she was born to serve the end, waiting for the time of the end to drawn her to the cosmos.
That is not the point of what I was trying to convey. ' The White Hot Room represents life and death, while the Waiting Room is a space in between it ' , that's the whole point. And why can't the Waiting Room exist on the same plane as the White Hot Room?
They were created for different purposes. The Edge of Reality was designed to cut through the plane of dimensions and was able to harm the Never Queen with its edge. Its inherent composition allowed it to cut through realities, and even abstract entities could be harmed by it.
Maybe, most likely, she does, as every other Abstract. And again, this statement is more likely to apply to her Universal state, especially considering how he says it, almost describing her past in FF. ("the Griever became an instant favorite")
Yes, and I have failed to see how the Chaos magic isn't limited to the Eternity. It isn't the primordial spark of all creation, only of the universe.
Its inherent composition allows it to cut anything, sure, but it is an ability. We don't know how durable it is. And harming Never Queen is clearly an outlier for the reasons I've already mentioned above.
How?? What about her domain that exists at the void in Scarlet witch series?
Wasn't everything came from the Big Bang?
The ability originated from its inherent composition edge. Why is this considered an outlier? The Edge of Reality first appeared in Silver Surfer v7 (2014). How is it classified as an outlier?
