SCARLET WITCH AND THE GRIEVER Revisions

[Yokoahh5743]

The Griever (Omniversal Griever) update

The Griever new role in Scarlet Witch current comic.

• The Griever serves the grand design, a set path of the end of all things. This quiet math has been, written and planned, it supports creation.

•She exist at the void Scarlet witch and Quicksilver (2024) #4. The Griever stated to be an endless nothingness, perhaps forever end Scarlet witch and Quicksilver #1.

• The Griever became the wielder of The Edge of reality Scarlet witch (2024) #1, a weapon that could harm Queen of Nevers Silver Surfer v7 003 (2014) ,and she managed to destroyed it scarlet witch (2024) #4.

- Stated to be superior to all conceptual entities scarlet witch 2024 #4 ,including Death. Beyond the concepts of the 8th cosmos.

Weakness: Nexus beings can defy some of her designs. True Chaos is the only thing that truly fears her; chaos is freedom and is beyond her control. Scarlet witch (2024) #2

Scarlet witch new key

Key:The Living Darkhold/The Ultimate Nexus


• Varies, up to Low Outerverse level, likey High Outerverse level

Varies, up to Low Outerverse level

• As the living Darkhold, Scarlet witch should be at least Low1-A

•At her weakened state, Scarlet witch was able to free The Avengers from Nightmare's spell Avengers (2024) #9.

•Stated to has enough power to control all reality Trial of magneto issue#1.

•After entering the land of the dead, Wanda fought Lore, the Nexus who is now the ruler of the realm. Lore has the power to set rules in the realm, she used her power to create all the things that Wanda fears most. The Scarlet Witch was able to battle all the demons from her own dread, including Mephisto,weakened-Chthon, and Dark Phoenix Scarlet witch (2024) #3.

Likey High Outerverse level

•As the living darkhold, Scarlet witch was powerful enough to channing Chthon Darkhold Omega #1, who stated to be chaos/deadly freedom that defying the Griever's grand designs , and took his power for herself.Able to controls, infinite possibilities trial of magneto #5.She became the true darkhold ,the unending chaos Scarlet witch and Quicksilver #3. that is opposite of what will be. The True Darkhold holds every life that isn't , wasn't or ever couldn't be. It isn't on the The Griever's set path, the Darkhold is beyond her control. The True Darkhold is said to be a possibility, a space between what is and what will be. It represents the 'what if', all the impossible can becomes possible.It's everything.

• The Waiting Room(Scarlet witch's creation),carved from the seat of magic, stated to be a space where magic grows ,the well beyond the worlds. It's the place where magic lives, where symbols and metaphors are the true reality. The Waiting Room exist at the edge of White Hot Room, Rise of the Powers of X 005 (2024) it's a space between life and death Resurrection of Magneto 001
(2024).

•Scarlet witch is freedom and with possibility as her parton, she became the Ultimate Nexus , a being that can influence or annihilate all possibilities and realities ,this being is unbeholded to the design Scarlet witch and Quicksilver #2.Power without limit, threaten to the set path by existing Scarlet witch and Quicksilver #4 .Was able to handle the Edge of reality. Overpowered the Griever at the end of all things and cast her throughout the myriad of realities.


Speed: Immeasurable (Compare to The Griever)

Durability:High Outerversal level (Took a blasts from The Griever)

Range: High Outerversal level (Able to enter to The Superflow and Overspace. The Last Door able to travel at The Mystery)

Weaknesses: Weakened because she has to constantly contain Chthon and the Darkhold Scarlet witch(2023) annual #1.


Agree: @BunBun @The_2nd_Existential_Seed @Chris_faritsu @HswLOTSS @Yoazkk6188 @FentyBeauty @Eseseso @Excellence616
@VeryGoofyToddler @PrinceofPein

Neutral:

Disagree:

 

[BunBun]

The Griever (Omniversal Griever) update

The Griever new role in Scarlet Witch current comic.

• The Griever serves the grand design, a set path of the end of all things. This quiet math has been, written and planned, it supports creation.

•She exist at the void Scarlet witch and Quicksilver (2024) #4. The Griever stated to be an endless nothingness, perhaps forever end Scarlet witch and Quicksilver #1.

• The Griever became the wielder of The Edge of reality Scarlet witch (2024) #1, a weapon that could harm Queen of Nevers Silver Surfer v7 003 (2014) ,and she managed to destroyed it scarlet witch (2024) #4.

- Stated to be superior to all conceptual entities scarlet witch 2024 #4 ,including Death. Beyond the concepts of the 8th cosmos.

Weakness: Nexus beings can defy some of her designs. True Chaos is the only thing that truly fears her; chaos is freedom and is beyond her control. Scarlet witch (2024) #2

Scarlet witch new key

Key:The Living Darkhold/The Ultimate Nexus


• Varies, up to Low Outerverse level, likey High Outerverse level

• Varies, up to Low Outerverse level

• As the living Darkhold, Scarlet witch should be at least Low1-A

•At her weakened state, Scarlet witch was able to free The Avengers from Nightmare's spell Avengers (2024) #9.

•Stated to has enough power to control all reality Trial of magneto issue#1.

•After entering the land of the dead, Wanda fought Lore, the Nexus who is now the ruler of the realm. Lore has the power to set rules in the realm, she used her power to create all the things that Wanda fears most. The Scarlet Witch was able to battle all the demons from her own dread, including Mephisto,weakened-Chthon, and Dark Phoenix Scarlet witch (2024) #3.

Likey High Outerverse level

•As the living darkhold, Scarlet witch was powerful enough to channing Chthon Darkhold Omega #1, who stated to be chaos/deadly freedom that defying the Griever's grand designs , and took his power for herself.Able to controls, infinite possibilities trial of magneto #5.She became the true darkhold ,the unending chaos Scarlet witch and Quicksilver #3. that is opposite of what will be. The True Darkhold holds every life that isn't , wasn't or ever couldn't be. It isn't on the The Griever's set path, the Darkhold is beyond her control. The True Darkhold is said to be a possibility, a space between what is and what will be. It represents the 'what if', all the impossible can becomes possible.It's everything.

• The Waiting Room(Scarlet witch's creation),carved from the seat of magic, stated to be a space where magic grows ,the well beyond the worlds. It's the place where magic lives, where symbols and metaphors are the true reality. The Waiting Room exist at the edge of White Hot Room, Rise of the Powers of X 005 (2024) it's a space between life and death Resurrection of Magneto 001
(2024).

•Scarlet witch is freedom and with possibility as her parton, she became the Ultimate Nexus , a being that can influence or annihilate all possibilities and realities ,this being is unbeholded to the design Scarlet witch and Quicksilver #2.Power without limit, threaten to the set path by existing Scarlet witch and Quicksilver #4 .Was able to handle the Edge of reality. Overpowered the Griever at the end of all things and cast her throughout the myriad of realities.


Speed: Immeasurable (Compare to The Griever)

Durability:High Outerversal level (Took a blasts from The Griever)

Range: High Outerversal level (Able to enter to The Superflow and Overspace. The Last Door able to travel at The Mystery)

Weaknesses: Weakened because she has to constantly contain Chthon and the Darkhold Scarlet witch(2023) annual #1.

The Scarlet Witch comic runs are among my favorite books this year. I don't see anything that I wouldn't agree with. She's powerful and deserve to be on that level.

 

[Yokoahh5743]

I don't see anything that I wouldn't agree with. She's powerful and deserve to be on that level.

Thanks

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Because it's a new key I would have waited for the current run of Scarlet witch ends but overall I'm fine, not that I'm actually knowledged on tier 1 marvel stuff so...

 

[Yokoahh5743]

Because it's a new key I would have waited for the current run of Scarlet witch ends but overall I'm fine, not that I'm actually knowledged on tier 1 marvel stuff so...

Thanks

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

I don't personally see any issue. If this gets accepted it's more direct proof of my own plans with scaling to The Griever.

 

[Yokoahh5743]

I don't personally see any issue. If this gets accepted it's more direct proof of my own plans with scaling to The Griever.

Thank you

 

[Yokoahh5743]

bump

 

[Chris_faritsu]

agree

 

[HswLOTSS]

Agree mon ami (Cause wanda is my wif)

 

[Yokoahh5743]

agree

Thank you

 

[Yoazkk6188]

The Griever (Omniversal Griever) update

The Griever new role in Scarlet Witch current comic.

• The Griever serves the grand design, a set path of the end of all things. This quiet math has been, written and planned, it supports creation.

•She exist at the void Scarlet witch and Quicksilver (2024) #4. The Griever stated to be an endless nothingness, perhaps forever end Scarlet witch and Quicksilver #1.

• The Griever became the wielder of The Edge of reality Scarlet witch (2024) #1, a weapon that could harm Queen of Nevers Silver Surfer v7 003 (2014) ,and she managed to destroyed it scarlet witch (2024) #4.

- Stated to be superior to all conceptual entities scarlet witch 2024 #4 ,including Death. Beyond the concepts of the 8th cosmos.

Weakness: Nexus beings can defy some of her designs. True Chaos is the only thing that truly fears her; chaos is freedom and is beyond her control. Scarlet witch (2024) #2

Scarlet witch new key

Key:The Living Darkhold/The Ultimate Nexus


• Varies, up to Low Outerverse level, likey High Outerverse level

Varies, up to Low Outerverse level

• As the living Darkhold, Scarlet witch should be at least Low1-A

•At her weakened state, Scarlet witch was able to free The Avengers from Nightmare's spell Avengers (2024) #9.

•Stated to has enough power to control all reality Trial of magneto issue#1.

•After entering the land of the dead, Wanda fought Lore, the Nexus who is now the ruler of the realm. Lore has the power to set rules in the realm, she used her power to create all the things that Wanda fears most. The Scarlet Witch was able to battle all the demons from her own dread, including Mephisto,weakened-Chthon, and Dark Phoenix Scarlet witch (2024) #3.

Likey High Outerverse level

•As the living darkhold, Scarlet witch was powerful enough to channing Chthon Darkhold Omega #1, who stated to be chaos/deadly freedom that defying the Griever's grand designs , and took his power for herself.Able to controls, infinite possibilities trial of magneto #5.She became the true darkhold ,the unending chaos Scarlet witch and Quicksilver #3. that is opposite of what will be. The True Darkhold holds every life that isn't , wasn't or ever couldn't be. It isn't on the The Griever's set path, the Darkhold is beyond her control. The True Darkhold is said to be a possibility, a space between what is and what will be. It represents the 'what if', all the impossible can becomes possible.It's everything.

• The Waiting Room(Scarlet witch's creation),carved from the seat of magic, stated to be a space where magic grows ,the well beyond the worlds. It's the place where magic lives, where symbols and metaphors are the true reality. The Waiting Room exist at the edge of White Hot Room, Rise of the Powers of X 005 (2024) it's a space between life and death Resurrection of Magneto 001
(2024).

•Scarlet witch is freedom and with possibility as her parton, she became the Ultimate Nexus , a being that can influence or annihilate all possibilities and realities ,this being is unbeholded to the design Scarlet witch and Quicksilver #2.Power without limit, threaten to the set path by existing Scarlet witch and Quicksilver #4 .Was able to handle the Edge of reality. Overpowered the Griever at the end of all things and cast her throughout the myriad of realities.


Speed: Immeasurable (Compare to The Griever)

Durability:High Outerversal level (Took a blasts from The Griever)

Range: High Outerversal level (Able to enter to The Superflow and Overspace. The Last Door able to travel at The Mystery)

Weaknesses: Weakened because she has to constantly contain Chthon and the Darkhold Scarlet witch(2023) annual #1.

Agree with this , From all the readings, she deserves an upgrade because everything makes sense

 

[Yokoahh5743]

Agree with this , From all the readings, she deserves an upgrade because everything makes sense

Thank you

 

[FentyBeauty]

a new key for her seems fine

 

[Yokoahh5743]

a new key for her seems fine

Thank you

 

[Eseseso]

A new key seems ok

 

[Yokoahh5743]

A new key seems ok

Thank you

 

[Antvasima]

@Eficiente @Qawsedf234 @SuperAPM @Firestorm808 @EmperorRorepmeThree @Elizio33 @MarvelFanatic119 @Catzlaflame @Lightning_XXI @Deagonx @Eseseso @LuciferX @Excellence616 @ByAsura @Emirp sumitpo @Quantu @IdiosyncraticLawyer @PrinceofPein @LordTracer @ProfectusInfinity @M3X_2.0 @Maverick_Zero_X @Dark-Carioca @ObberGobb @Alonik

What do you think about this?

 

[Excellence616]

Looks fine

 

[Yokoahh5743]

Looks fine

Thank you

 

[Yokoahh5743]

Are the stuff still there?

 

[PrinceofPein]

@Eficiente @Qawsedf234 @SuperAPM @Firestorm808 @EmperorRorepmeThree @Elizio33 @MarvelFanatic119 @Catzlaflame @Lightning_XXI @Deagonx @Eseseso @LuciferX @Excellence616 @ByAsura @Emirp sumitpo @Quantu @IdiosyncraticLawyer @PrinceofPein @LordTracer @ProfectusInfinity @M3X_2.0 @Maverick_Zero_X @Dark-Carioca @ObberGobb @Alonik

What do you think about this?

This should be added to the list of 1-A revisions

 

[Excellence616]

This should be added to the list of 1-A revisions

No, It shouldn't. CRT is based on an already established 1-A

 

[BunBun]

No, It shouldn't. CRT is based on an already established 1-A

After Marvel magic has been explained, could Doctor Strange ascend to Tier 1-A using magic?

 

[Yokoahh5743]

bump

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

•She exist at the void Scarlet witch and Quicksilver (2024) #4

The scan implies her domain is in the Far Shore, I suppose this is a decent justification for High 1-A.

The Griever stated to be an endless nothingness, perhaps forever end Scarlet witch and Quicksilver #1.

What are the additions these scans are supposed to introduce?

• The Griever became the wielder of The Edge of reality Scarlet witch (2024) #1, a weapon that could harm Queen of Nevers Silver Surfer v7 003 (2014) ,and she managed to destroyed it scarlet witch (2024) #4.

Does the durability of the Edge of Reality scale to its Attack Potency? Because otherwise, Griever in [what I assume is] her Universal state scaling a single plane beneath The House of Ideas sounds pretty outliery.

- Stated to be superior to all conceptual entities scarlet witch 2024 #4 ,including Death.

This makes sense as a Low 1-A justification, but you're miswording it a little. It says all Abstracts (Universal specifically, in this scan) are victims of her fated destruction, which is natural as she embodies the eventual end of the 8th cosmos. Not a fan of the wording.

Beyond the concepts of the 8th cosmos.

It doesn't say that, it vaguely says she "exists beyond the bounds of this cosmos." At best I can see a fate manipulation justification here, this scan looks pretty vague overall.

Weakness: Nexus beings can defy some of her designs. True Chaos is the only thing that truly fears her; chaos is freedom and is beyond her control. Scarlet witch (2024) #2

Sure.

• Varies, up to Low Outerverse level, likey High Outerverse level

I don't know... I thought we were holding off on making decisions regarding the Elder Gods of Earth's High Outerverse level ratings until Ultima could address the arguments, specifics, and consistency of them?

 

[Yokoahh5743]

Does the durability of the Edge of Reality scale to its Attack Potency? Because otherwise, Griever in [what I assume is] her Universal state scaling a single plane beneath The House of Ideas sounds pretty outliery.

Yes, it does.The Edge of Reality exists beyond the cosmos, crafted from The Land of shouldn’t be, couldn’t be. Silver Surfer v7 (2014) and how did you know that it was her Universal state? She was confirmed to exist at the void. Also the author of Scarlet witch current comic series, Steve Orlando, stated that this was The Griever at the end of all things, not her Universal state. And how did The House of Ideas have anything to do with this?

It doesn't say that, it vaguely says she "exists beyond the bounds of this cosmos." At best I can see a fate manipulation justification here, this scan looks pretty vague overall.

Why does this look vague?The Griever exists outside the cosmos, she exists at the void, which means that is her Omniversal state ,who waiting for the end of everything. It makes sense for her to be beyond Eternity. Since she is an endless ' nothingness '. She is the end of all concepts of the cosmos. Why shouldn't this make sense to you?

 

[MrKerf]

Also the author of Scarlet witch current comic series, Steve Orlando, stated that this was The Griever at the end of all things, not her Universal state. And how did The House of Ideas have anything to do with this?

Did he really, though? Even the Universal Manifestation of Griever would still be called the Griever, and he doesn't ever talk about said topic, but about Wanda's potential. I, too, had my doubts on why this would be Griever's Omniversal form.

 

[Yokoahh5743]

Did he really, though? Even the Universal Manifestation of Griever would still be called the Griever, and he doesn't ever talk about said topic, but about Wanda's potential. I, too, had my doubts on why this would be Griever's Omniversal form.

•Sorry, that was the wrong tweet link I gave to you. This might be the right one.

•The Griever's profile( Universal state) said that her manifestation is a conceptual being and living embodiment of the universe's destruction.


•The Griever who appeared in Wanda's series, stated to be the end of every universes, the end of all things ', even the concept of Death will meet her end. She's the ' heat death of all creation ', the end of ' everything ' just like her Omniversal-state statement.


• The grand designs she serves is the concept that define every beginning and every end.

• The Never Queen, stated that the Griever that Wanda fought is her sister ,who has existed beyond space-time just like her. The Griever is what will be-- the end. She favors a grand design, favors controlling all ,but The Never Queen is possibility, she belive in chaos.She refuse to control. This should be her Omniversal state due to the fact that this is the Griever that existed along with the Never Queen, she's confirmed to be the end and they serves different concepts.

•The Griever who Wanda fought exists at ' the void '. Which means she is outside of Eternity.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

I’m fine with the “likely High 1-A” shout.

 

[Yokoahh5743]

I’m fine with the “likely High 1-A” shout.

Thank you

 

[MrKerf]

•Sorry, that was the wrong tweet link I gave to you. This might be the right one.

The immediate problem I see is that he says that The Griever can’t cross dimensions, which as I recall, was a specific weakness of only Universal Griever, as it was in FF vs Griever fight, and not something that applies to all her forms.

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

•Sorry, that was the wrong tweet link I gave to you. This might be the right one.

Still don't see how this scan proves it was Omniversal Griever, the version of Griever he's describing (hyperspecific weakness of being unable to cross dimensions without outside help or technology) is literally the Universal Griever from Issue 3 of Fantastic Four (2018).

•The Griever who appeared in Wanda's series, stated to be the end of every universes, the end of all things ', even the concept of Death will meet her end.

The first scan and its statements about 'the end of all space-time' are Griever describing Wanda's power.

The second one doesn't mention a multiversal scale, it says she's the end of "all things" and "everything," both of which apply to her Universal state since... that's her name. As for the mention of death, you know your own scan above specifies "Universal Concepts," right?

Regardless, even if the two scans above did directly say "she's the end of every universe," I should point out that Universal Griever from Fantastic Four 2018 was described as the end of every Universe too.

• The grand designs she serves is the concept that define every beginning and every end.

Once again, even Universal Griever from Fantastic Four (2018) mentions serving a "grand design."

She's the ' heat death of all creation ', the end of ' everything ' just like her Omniversal-state statement.
• The Never Queen, stated that the Griever that Wanda fought is her sister ,who has existed beyond space-time just like her. The Griever is what will be-- the end. She favors a grand design, favors controlling all ,but The Never Queen is possibility, she belive in chaos.She refuse to control. This should be her Omniversal state due to the fact that this is the Griever that existed along with the Never Queen, she's confirmed to be the end and they serves different concepts.
•The Griever who Wanda fought exists at ' the void '. Which means she is outside of Eternity.

First off, the Griever doesn't suddenly stop being Never Queen's sister when she manifests in the Universe.

Secondly, Universal Abstracts are described in the contexts of their true states all the time, e.g. the mere Universal Eternity being called the totality of all living things, and the opposite of the Chaos King and his void.

Thirdly, I gave the volume a quick read myself, and Griever states she couldn't cross dimensions without her sword, which is explicitly a weakness of the Universal Griever only, meaning this is undeniably the Universal Griever.

 

[Yokoahh5743]

The immediate problem I see is that he says that The Griever can’t cross dimensions, which as I recall, was a specific weakness of only Universal Griever, as it was in FF vs Griever fight, and not something that applies to all her forms.

•Power isn't her problem. She's all powerful ,' but not all-knowing' that's what the author said. Omniversal-Griever never said that she could cross dimensions? Do you have any statements that she ever said that she could?


•And please read the rest of the information that I replied,not just one. If you think it's not her Omniversal-form, then argued the rest of the information.


•Why did she stated to be the end of everything,of every universes, when The Universal-form serves the end of the ' universe '?

•Why did she stated to exist beyond space-time like her sister, The Never Queen?

• Why did she serves the grand design,that is the concepts of how all things begins and how all things end?

• Why did she stated to be heat death of all creation? Why did she stated to have the power to end the dead realm from another plane of dimensions, and end the concept of Death??

 

[Yokoahh5743]

Still don't see how this scan proves it was Omniversal Griever, the version of Griever he's describing (hyperspecific weakness of being unable to cross dimensions without outside help or technology) is literally the Universal Griever from Issue 3 of Fantastic Four (2018).

Do you have any proof that Omniversal Griever can cross dimensions? All I see is she needs The Edge of reality to travel dimensions. Because it's not her time to come to the cosmos, so she needed it to free her.

 

[Yokoahh5743]

The first scan and its statements about 'the end of all space-time' are Griever describing Wanda's power.

The second one doesn't mention a multiversal scale, it says she's the end of "all things" and "everything," both of which apply to her Universal state since... that's her name. As for the mention of death, you know your own scan above specifies "Universal Concepts," right?

Regardless, even if the two scans above did directly say "she's the end of every universe," I should point out that Universal Griever from Fantastic Four 2018 was described as the end of every Universe too.

• I'm not talking about that, I was talking about all the ' universes ' that will lead to The Griever's set path.

•How is this apply to her Universal state? Maybe you should re check her Omniversal-form statement in her profile, it stated that she's the concepts of how all things end , this statement is on her H1-A feats too.

 

[Yokoahh5743]

Once again, even Universal Griever from Fantastic Four (2018) mentions serving a "grand design."

•Your text-scan is still on her Omniversal form statements. please check on her profile.

 

[Yokoahh5743]

First off, the Griever doesn't suddenly stop being Never Queen's sister when she manifests in the Universe.

Secondly, Universal Abstracts are described in the contexts of their true states all the time, e.g. the mere Universal Eternity being called the totality of all living things, and the opposite of the Chaos King and his void.

Thirdly, I gave the volume a quick read myself, and Griever states she couldn't cross dimensions without her sword, which is explicitly a weakness of the Universal Griever only, meaning this is undeniably the Universal Griever.

•But The Never Queen is talking about her sister who exists beyond time-space just like her? Exists along with her.

• Are you sure? Then why did Chaos king's profile stated that who you refer to was Omniverse-Eternity ,not Universal Eternity.

• And the Griever on scarlet witch series exists at the void, she even destroyed the Edge of reality. This should make her H1-A.

 

[Antvasima]

This was a strange story though. The Griever only blew up a few city blocks with one of her full force attacks against Wanda and was also hurt by Quicksilver and slowed down by Polaris.

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

How is this apply to her Universal state? Maybe you should re check her Omniversal-form statement in her profile, it stated that she's the concepts of how all things end , this statement is on her H1-A feats too.

Your text-scan is still on her Omniversal form statements. please check on her profile.

I was the one who made her profile in the first place, there was one Universal Griever who appeared intermittently across Fantastic Four (2018), with her having 1-2 Omniversal appearances in Overspace. I simply placed the statements about her embodying heat death in her Omniversal Key to better stress her true function, literally every scan below which is used in her Omniversal Key is a statement made around her Universal Form. Btw, did you read all Griever’s appearances in Fantastic Four (2018)?

being an inalienable aspect of reality who embodies the essence of finality,[5] as well as destruction,[4] entropy and heat death,[2] and the concept of how everything ends,[3] and her role is to witness the end[2] of Eternity as the last being standing in all of existence.[4]

This was a strange story though. The Griever only blew up a few city blocks with one of her full force attacks against Wanda and was also hurt by Quicksilver and slowed down by Polaris.

Hey, do you believe the Griever who appeared in that story, within the normal base Universe, was the Omniversal True Form Griever? One thing I wanted to point out first is that the Griever there seemingly can’t cross dimensions without aid of equipment, which was a weakness of Universal Griever from Fantastic Four (2018).