Sasuke vs Ley

[Fezzih_007]

They start 30 meters apart
Speed equal
Sasuke is at his Fourth Shinobi War
Ley is his Warlock Key
Ley have previous knowlegement of Sasuke Genjutsu
Sasuke have knowlegement of Ley Authority
Ley likely yang Magic is restricted
They fight on a vulcan that is about to erupt, like this video, which a bunch of towels springled on the ground
Susano'o is restricted for Sasuke


Votes:
Edgy Guy: 7- CurrySenpai, henryzx900ruly, karo_senpaii, Mamaroza, noninho, Arkenis, XSOULOFCINDERX

Homeless kid: 3- TheHeavenlySword, Zabazab, SatellaTheWoE

Both are Rom victims: 1- Fezzih

 

[Fezzih_007]

I should probally used the 8-B version of Ley, and Parte 1 Sasuke.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

I should probally used the 8-B version of Ley, and Parte 1 Sasuke.

You can still change it.

 

[Fezzih_007]

You can still change it.

maybe later.

I want to see how this goes first

 

[Fezzih_007]

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[SatellaTheWoE]

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I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TO SAY ON THÌS MATCHUP
Ley closes his eyes and teleports on Sasuke then dura negs him to death maybe???
If that doesn't work then he might try to get him to say his name but i think Sasuke might actually figure this out

 

[Robo432343]

ley fra

 

[Fezzih_007]

I really don't know what value Sasuke scale to, i gonna have to search.

Ley closes his eyes and teleports on Sasuke then dura negs him to death maybe???

Sasuke gonna use his Sharingan to see the attack, so Ley gonna have to try something else.

ley fra

Yeah no.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

I really don't know what value Sasuke scale to, i gonna have to search.


Sasuke gonna use his Sharingan to see the attack, so Ley gonna have to try something else.

Has the sharingan ever predicted someone teleporting on him? And somebody as skilled as Ley? Didnt think so
He is getting atleast one or 2 dura negating hits in

 

[Fezzih_007]

Has the sharingan ever predicted someone teleporting on him?

That don't really matter, since Sasuke have higher reaction speed, so he would able to react and defend himself from a attack from Ley.

And somebody as skilled as Ley?

That also don't really matter, since Sasuke Sharingan don't have any weakness about not being able to predict people who are more skilled than him.

And like, Ley would need to complety ovewhelm Sasuke in combat skill to make a difference, but Sasuke is also a very skilled combatent, that Ley complety ovewhelming him in CQC is not gonna happen, especially If we consider all Sasuke others powers, like Amaterasu.

Didnt think so

Wow, acting really smug, aren't we? Okay

He is getting atleast one or 2 dura negating hits in

Sasuke can survive that type of demage, that not really gonna be the end for him.

One of the advantage for Ley, is since he can telerport, he could get away from the erupting vulcan better than Sasuke.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

That don't really matter, since Sasuke have higher reaction speed, so he would able to react and defend himself from a attack from Ley.

That also don't really matter, since Sasuke Sharingan don't have any weakness about not being able to predict people who are more skilled than him.

The difference is that Ley would also be able to administer counters along with the fact that Sasuke woukd have no way to counter his random teleportation bs. It cannot be tracked via normal sharingan predictions afterall

Oh and also the fact that fights on Ley's level do have counters to AP such as what Ram was initially doing which he resisted till she pulled the wind manipulation buffs to her combat skill

In a sense this is Ram vs Ley all over again except Sasuke isn't buffing herself to blitzstomp
Also i hope you have restricted Susanoo because that is tier 6B

And like, Ley would need to complety ovewhelm Sasuke in combat skill to make a difference, but Sasuke is also a very skilled combatent, that Ley complety ovewhelming him in CQC is not gonna happen, especially If we consider all Sasuke others powers, like Amaterasu.

Didn't say ley wiuld overwhelm him but He does have an initial skill advantage that would make things harder for Sasuke to manage

Wow, acting really smug, aren't we? Okay

I just got a pp compliment, so yes i am feeling cheeky today

Sasuke can survive that type of demage, that not really gonna be the end for him.

I checked and this doesn't seem to be one of the higher values used for Sasuke which means he is actually relative to ley and he doesn't have an effective counter hax to dùra neg so pretty sure Ley unironically only needs to one or 2 shot him here

One of the advantage for Ley, is since he can telerport, he could get away from the erupting vulcan better than Sasuke.

Didnt even notice that, but Ley probabky resists that level of heat (downscales to cecilus who can survive complete vaporization of cement and metals level of heat)

 

[TauanVictor]

Nothing prevents Sasuke from applying a genjutsu.

 

[Fezzih_007]

along with the fact that Sasuke woukd have no way to counter his random teleportation bs.

He can, he have higher reaction speed so he could react faster to the telerportation happening.
And yes he does, he can use Chidori Nagashi to catch him offguard, if he keep trying to telerport. Ley can use magic to counter if he is off range, but in close range he getting destroy due to lacking Resistance to electricity.

It cannot be tracked via normal sharingan predictions afterall

Why? Sasuke could still predict where he gonna telerport next using his Sharigan.

Oh and also the fact that fights on Ley's level do have counters to AP such as what Ram was initially doing which he resisted till she pulled the wind manipulation buffs to her combat skill

That don't mean much, since both Ram and Sasuke have different ways to AP, which Ley might be finding hard to overcome.
How Sasuke does.

In a sense this is Ram vs Ley all over again except Sasuke isn't buffing herself to blitzstomp

He can trought, when he uses Chidori he speed amps.
And also not really, since Sasuke have atleast way tons of abilities and options to attacks that he can perform than Ram.

Also i hope you have restricted Susanoo because that is tier 6B

I did.

Didn't say ley wiuld overwhelm him but He does have an initial skill advantage that would make things harder for Sasuke to manage

True.

I checked and this doesn't seem to be one of the higher values used for Sasuke which means he is actually relative to ley and he doesn't have an effective counter hax to dùra neg so pretty sure Ley unironically only needs to one or 2 shot him here

What?
I saying that Sasuke here can pretty much deal with piercing demage and attacks at his organs, he have enough stamina to deal with way more than two hits lol.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Nothing prevents Sasuke from applying a genjutsu.

Ley can fight just as well with his eyes closed and he has prior knolwedge so he will be doing that

He can, he have higher reaction speed so he could react faster to the telerportation happening.
And yes he does, he can use Chidori Nagashi to catch him offguard, if he keep trying to telerport. Ley can use magic to counter if he is off range, but in close range he getting destroy due to lacking Resistance to electricity.

Pretty sure there should be atleast some resistance to magic on Ley's profile tf, well i guess its a valid wincon if Ley isnt fast enough to spam, dodge or parry the hits

Why? Sasuke could still predict where he gonna telerport next using his Sharigan.

No he cant, you would need feats for rhat

That don't mean much, since both Ram and Sasuke have different ways to AP, which Ley might be finding hard to overcome.
How Sasuke does.

He can trought, when he uses Chidori he speed amps.

Ley scales massively above Ex 4 Julius who could deal with perception blitzing attacks via yang magic boost and instinctive reaction.

And also not really, since Sasuke have atleast way tons of abilities and options to attacks that he can perform than Ram.

I mean does he? I would say a quintillionx stat amp is probably better

What?
I saying that Sasuke here can pretty much deal with piercing demage and attacks at his organs, he have enough stamina to deal with way more than two hits lollol

he was about to die from blood due to loss of an arm. I cannot even imagine what organ failure would do to that mf
Eithrr way, a couple of well placed hits are gonna weaken him massively if not outright defeat him right then and there

 

[TauanVictor]

Ley can fight just as well with his eyes closed and he has prior knolwedge so he will be doing that

Then Sasuke forces him to open his eyes and GG.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Then Sasuke forces him to open his eyes and GG.

What are you trying to say?
How will he do that?

 

[Zabazab]

Complimentary Ley Quotes:

The Warlock possessed arms which destroyed all, possessed a flesh body which did not take damage from any type of attacks, possessed magical arts which rejected and countered any possible technique, and was endowed with even the wisdom, genius and intellect to grasp everything that existed.

No matter how extensive a survey should be taken of history, never had there been a being who excelled in every single kind of ability to this extent, and neither would any other take birth hereafter, for thousands of years to come.

This, was a selection of the world’s possibilities, brought forth by the abominable calamity referred to as a Witch Factor.

Born from the grand hotpot which condensed solely excelling articles, the supreme “Gourmet Delicacy” itself――

The monster given rise to by Ram, in the final stage―― his ability and strength, was immense and overwhelming.

He possessed no hesitancy. He possessed no restraints in what he hauled out. He possessed no awareness that he was losing himself. Yet, never did he sunder his form, from that of Ram’s precious other half.

Heedless of the moon and the sun being obscured, darkness had painted Gluttony with flawless perfection.

Of course, Ram did not get complacent either. She made efforts to counterstrike.

Unfastening her shackles until the limit of what Subaru could shoulder, leaping over the limitation she had levied on herself that she would not use her strength greater than for a few tens of seconds, devoting strength capable of ending life with certainty this time.

It stood no chance. Seemingly, none of it could contend against him.

Whilst shedding immense blood, Batenkaitos artlessly swooped down upon her.

In greater precision, he was surely making free use of miraculous superhuman techniques. Coalescing the might of multifarious transcendental beings, from the outset, he was certainly formulating techniques impossible of being reconstructed by anyone.

That excelling blitz, specializing in all possible orientations, was shut down by Ram through outstripping violence.

She guillotined those monumental techniques of hundreds, of thousands, using might worth millions. This was what the battle had now come to be.

 

[Fezzih_007]

No he cant, you would need feats for rhat

Not really, no. Sasuke can just guess where Ley gonna appear next by reading his expression and seeing his movement, and deal with him like that.

Ley scales massively above Ex 4 Julius who could deal with perception blitzing attacks via yang magic boost and instinctive reaction.

So?

he was about to die from blood due to loss of an arm. I cannot even imagine what organ failure would do to that mf

Wow.

Eithrr way, a couple of well placed hits are gonna weaken him massively if not outright defeat him right then and there

If he hits them, maybe. Sasuke still can deal with a lot of demage to his organs. Like, at the Killer Bee fight, where he get stabbed multiple times

We kinda need to discuss how likely is from him suceding against Sasuke arsenal of techiques and abilities; Like, amaterasu or any of his electricity based powers.

 

[CurrySenpai]

Genjutsu GGs voting Sasuke

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Not really, no. Sasuke can just guess where Ley gonna appear next by reading his expression and seeing his movement, and deal with him like that.

No? Fezzih, stop wanking...
He doesn't have any feats of predicting someone teleporting behind his back. Thus he cannot. We follow the same standard for everybody.
Follow the wiki as they say🗣

If he hits them, yeah.

We kinda need to discuss how likely is from him suceding against Sasuke arsenal of techiques and abilities; Like, amaterasu or any of his electricity based powers.

Power Nullification (He can nullify powerful attacks with minimal strength with the Palm of the Fist King technique, he possesses magical arts which reject and counter any techniques)

Btw what is Sasugay's answer to guns

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Genjutsu GGs voting Sasuke

?
Sasuke can't use genjutsu on Ley

 

[CurrySenpai]

?
Sasuke can't use genjutsu on Ley

Tauan already disputed that, genjutsu ggs, counts my vote, shake my hand :3

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Tauan already disputed that, genjutsu ggs, counts my vote, shake my hand :3

He didnt answer me when i asked him how, there is literally nothing in this scan below that tells me anything.
Your vote cannot be counted

 

[CurrySenpai]

I think it's pretty evident. Guy with eyes closed still gets affected by the genjutsu.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

I think it's pretty evident. Guy with eyes closed still gets affected by the genjutsu.

He has asian eyes, not closed ones

 

[CurrySenpai]

He has asian eyes, not closed ones

No his eyes are just actually straight up closed

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

No his eyes are just actually straight up closed

Whatever, either way

Sharingan Genjutsu requires eye contact, so if the opponent is able to avoid eye contact or is blind, they will be able to avoid Sharingan Genjutsu entirely.

Also @Fezzih_007

Finally, the Sharingan's predictive capabilities can be somewhat circumvented by attacks that have little to no pattern, such as Naruto's chakra arms[161] that emerge from any part of his body and attack instinctively.

Ley fights on instinct so its actually very likely that the sharingan may not be able to predict him very precisely

 

[Fezzih_007]

He doesn't have any feats of predicting someone teleporting behind his back. Thus he cannot.

Not really, his Analytical prediction only need some other feats of prediction, to say he could eventually start predicting where Ley gonna be telerporting. They gonna be fighting for awhile, so he should start getting after some eschanges. Still, he would start losing.

Power Nullification (He can nullify powerful attacks with minimal strength with the Palm of the Fist King technique, he possesses magical arts which reject and counter any techniques)

That don't really mean much, since when Sasuke uses Amaterasu, he not gonna be able to use that.

Ley fights on instinct so its actually very likely that the sharingan may not be able to predict him very precisely

This two are really not the same thing, Naruto chakra arma IA are different for Ley. .

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Not really, his Analytical prediction only need some other feats of prediction, to say he could eventually start predicting where Ley gonna be telerporting. They gonna be fighting for awhile, so he should start getting after some eschanges. Still, he would start losing.

Yeah i mean dura neg + teleportation already gurantees one or 2 hits atleast. I am not saying that Sasuke won't be able to eventually be able to deal with it (he probably would figure out a way) but the initial massive damage dealt gives a major advantage to Ley

That don't really mean much, since when Sasuke uses Amaterasu, he not gonna be able to use that.

That scan makes me wonder who it was with comparable talent to Ley who was born a few thousand years later
Why would Ley not be able to negate amaterasu? Does it have some form of Power Nullification resistance?

This two are really not the same thing, Naruto chakra arma IA are different for Ley. .

Sharingan has a weakness to non thought based attacks as he can't read them. Thats a weakness to IA in general and Ley absolutely would come under that

 

[Fezzih_007]

Why would Ley not be able to negate amaterasu? Does it have some form of Power Nullification resistance?

Well, he will be on fire, so he won't be able to use the Palm of the king to negate the flames. Unless he strikes himself.

Sharingan has a weakness to non thought based attacks as he can't read them.

He don't, is just in that fight, besides having to defend himself against Naruto attacks, the chakra arms come out nowhere out of Naruto body, have no patern of attack, and attack on instict.

Is bassicaly Naruto growing a third arm of his body to attack from nowhere, Sasuke obsviouly would't see that coming. Ley don't have the same benefits.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Well, he will be on fire, so he won't be able to use the Palm of the king to negate the flames. Unless he strikes himself.

which he can, his regen is good enough to heal from that easily
actually he should scale to Garf's healing right?
obviously not as potent but he still should be downscaling to that as he probably has eaten a lot of healers in his life

He don't, is just in that fight, besides having to defend himself against Naruto attacks, the chakra arms come out nowhere out of Naruto body, have no patern of attack, and attack on instict.

Is bassicaly Naruto growing a third arm of his body to attack from nowhere, Sasuke obsviouly would't see that coming. Ley don't have the same benefits.

What you are implying is that Naruto used those arms as a surprise attack when in actuality they were consistently unreadable for him due to being completely on instinct. Ley's fighting style is almost 100% on instinct so he would be much much harder for him to read as well

 

[TheHeavenlySword]

Well, he will be on fire, so he won't be able to use the Palm of the king to negate the flames. Unless he strikes himself.

Amaterasu does not just spawn on you, it has a traveling speed, we saw multiple characters actually dodging it.

Ley can just Power Null it when it reach him like he did to Ram's invisible blade, or he can just dodge it, teleport away from it, block it with ice magic, heck he can probably just take it and treat it as a minor inconvenience with he's resistance to extreme heat.


characters like Julius can fight against multiple Danmaku hands Homing on him while being in third person, Ley should easily be able to fight Sasuke without making any eye contact with him.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

characters like Julius can fight against multiple Danmaku hands Homing on him while being in third person, Ley should easily be able to fight Sasuke without making any eye contact with him.

a better arguement is Elsa being able to hit her opponents vitals with all of her senses cut off but yeah that too

 

[Fezzih_007]

Amaterasu does not just spawn on you, it has a traveling speed, we saw multiple characters actually dodging it.

I never said that It spawn on you, but in close range, It pretty much almost does trought.

If the opponent is in the line of sight, the Amaterasu is pretty much on you due to How fast It is, so to block It, you would need something else on the line of sight, like Gaara who can block It his overpowerd sand. He also have previous knowlegement of Amaterasu
Since Ley don't have anything like Gaara sand, he can't block Sasuke dark flames. So what else he can do against Amaterasu?
We gonna assume they fighting in Far range, because Ley not gonna be able to do anything in close range against that.

Ley can just Power Null it when it reach him like he did to Ram's invisible blade

Sasuke Amaterasu is way faster than Ram Wind blade, so that comparisson don't really work.
Now, for Ley to block with Palm of the king, he would need to sucefully hit where the flame is heading, assuming that shít don't burn his arm, so he can block. Could he do It?

Well, when Sasuke or Itachi activates Amaterasu, the characters can usually tell when he about to cast, since they sense the energy building up of they eyes, so they antecipate to block or move out the way. So Ley can do It too?

Well, he potentialy could sense, but since he don't know what the Amaterasu is or can do, or that Sasuke gonna do It right now, he most probabally not gonna be able to react in time to use the Palm of the king before being set aflames.

And since he have his eyes closed, he can't exactly see where Sasuke would be staring at to block the attack.

So is very unlike to work.

or he can just dodge it

That pretty much Impossible without Ley having any speed increasing abilities, like the Raikage.

teleport away from it,

That could work, since is faster than his movement speed. But he would need to do before Sasuke even uses Amaterasu, he would need to be out of his line of sight. So he pretty much need to know the Amaterasu is coming without previous knowlegement and guess work. Is the best option so far, and he have chances of doing It.

block it with ice magic

That thing just gonna melt pretty much in instant, and not gonna stop Amaterasu for reaching him at all.

heck he can probably just take it and treat it as a minor inconvenience with he's resistance to extreme heat.

I just gonna copy paste the page for the sharigan, and say hell no.

characters like Julius can fight against multiple Danmaku hands Homing on him while being in third person, Ley should easily be able to fight Sasuke without making any eye contact with him.

This two are really not compatible.
Julius could still see using Subaru vision while fighting.
Here, Ley would pretty much need to be either with his eyes closed during the entire fight so he won't be cast in a Genjutsu, or cover his eyes with something, that Sasuke can probally remove. If he tries to fight with his eyes open, but trying to not look at Sasuke eyes, he gonna get in a Genjutsu.

a better arguement is Elsa being able to hit her opponents vitals with all of her senses cut off but yeah that too

Indeed, this is a way better argument.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Amaterasu does not just spawn on you, it has a traveling speed, we saw multiple characters actually dodging it.

Ley can just Power Null it when it reach him like he did to Ram's invisible blade, or he can just dodge it, teleport away from it, block it with ice magic, heck he can probably just take it and treat it as a minor inconvenience with he's resistance to extreme heat.


characters like Julius can fight against multiple Danmaku hands Homing on him while being in third person, Ley should easily be able to fight Sasuke without making any eye contact with him.

Amaterasu does in fact spawn and does not travel..it spawns wherever his line of sight is. Yes they dodged it by being faster than his perception. To dodge amaterasu you have to be faster than the users perception. And it this case he isn't

 

[karo_senpaii]

Whatever, either way


Also @Fezzih_007


Ley fights on instinct so its actually very likely that the sharingan may not be able to predict him very precisely

This is actually very wrong.
1. You're using example of a sharingan that is not even fully matured to limit an eternal mangyeko sharingan?
2. that's not what happened. Sasuke didn't have problems with predicting the chakra cloak, neither does it have anything to do with instincts.
He had problems because naruto was going one way and the chakra cloak the other. If he focused on naruto and read his movements it left him susceptible to attacks from the chakra cloak. For example if naruto is punching right and sasuke predicts this and goes left the chakra cloak itself is attacking in another direction making it almost impossible for sasuke to dodge both. And this is not an issue for a fully matured sharingan.

I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TO SAY ON THÌS MATCHUP
Ley closes his eyes and teleports on Sasuke then dura negs him to death maybe???
If that doesn't work then he might try to get him to say his name but i think Sasuke might actually figure this out

Sasuke has much more superior reaction speed with the sharingan and actually has a speed amp with shunshin and a higher one with chidori. He already has the speed advantage I see no way he is getting hit.

Sasuke Can finish this with either genjustu or amaterasu.
And before you say he can cut the part it hit yeah that doesn't work for small bodies. The flames are huge enough to cover his entire body, only massive bodies like the 10 tails 8 tails ever split themselves up.

 

[CurrySenpai]

Sasuke FRA again

 

[henryzx900ruly]

sasuke negs this fodder i have nothing else to say

 

[Fezzih_007]

He already has the speed advantage I see no way he is getting hit.

Well, Ley have this funny thing of putting Wind Blade on the air, that are invisible, so he could possibly use that to get a hit in.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Well, Ley have this funny thing of putting Wind Blade on the air, that are invisible, so he could possibly use that to get a hit in.

And why wouldn't the sharingan just see it?