Jasdevi vs Rai

[Arkenis]

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The twins know about Rai's Authority so they won't say their name.
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[Trxyway]

Massively Hypersonic vs Relativistic. You sure you don't want to equalize speed? Eitherway, i don't think Rai has an answer to Trick glasses, it's what happens after that, that i'm unsure of

 

[Arkenis]

Massively Hypersonic vs Relativistic. You sure you don't want to equalize speed? Eitherway, i don't think Rai has an answer to Trick glasses, it's what happens after that, that i'm unsure of

Start fighting off pure IA I guess. Other stuff probably makes that harder though. Are you leaning anywhere or think its a stomp?

 

[Arkenis]

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[VortechsTG]

Rai's instincts are probably way too good for Trick Glasses to do much but their limited durability negation that can spawn a large object inside an opponent looks very potent. If they use it quickly it should win them the battle but to me that looks unlikely based on their profile. I see Rai winning this more often than not based on his disgustingly superior skill and the fact he should be able to one-shot with his superior ap and limited durability negation of his own. Rai tends to play around with opponents to see a bit what they're capable of and try to goad them into giving their names so it's still possible they could win but if anything I think that would make the twins less likely to use durability negation quickly since he's already fighting down on their level.

 

[Arkenis]

Rai's instincts are probably way too good for Trick Glasses to do much but their limited durability negation that can spawn a large object inside an opponent looks very potent. If they use it quickly it should win them the battle but to me that looks unlikely based on their profile. I see Rai winning this more often than not based on his disgustingly superior skill and the fact he should be able to one-shot with his superior ap and limited durability negation of his own. Rai tends to play around with opponents to see a bit what they're capable of and try to goad them into giving their names so it's still possible they could win but if anything I think that would make the twins less likely to use durability negation quickly since he's already fighting down on their level.

They simply shot the guy, they have their guns they'll shoot early I'd say. He's barely 2x them, let alone their fused form so he won't one shot. Is Rai's duraneg the palm fist? What if they just block with dark matter or grab with their hair in the fusion.

 

[VortechsTG]

They simply shot the guy, they have their guns they'll shoot early I'd say.

Oh, that's my bad. I was just looking at the second scan. Yeah, that's never landing.

He's barely 2x them, let alone their fused form so he won't one shot.

It's not the ap difference alone that would allow him to one-shot. It's using that difference to directly strike their vital organs.

Is Rai's duraneg the palm fist? What if they just block with dark matter or grab with their hair in the fusion.

It is. Why would this block it?

Also should note Rai can surround them with wind blades which are frozen in space. They could maybe reality warp them away, but, they can't be sensed, so if they charge in and run into them they'll get diced.

 

[Arkenis]

It's not the ap difference alone that would allow him to one-shot. It's using that difference to directly strike their vital organs.

It is. Why would this block it?

Darkmatter is just an energy that'll harm Rai and is just used for defense or offense. They also have their imagined force fields they can use or the passive one in their fused form

Also should note Rai can surround them with wind blades which are frozen in space. They could maybe reality warp them away, but, they can't be sensed, so if they charge in and run into them they'll get diced.

Dark matter passively messes with space time, it should just nullify them being fixed in space or cause them to fail. Even their regular gun attacks should destroy them since it can destroy innocence constructs like Allens.

 

[VortechsTG]

Darkmatter is just an energy that'll harm Rai and is just used for defense or offense. They also have their imagined force fields they can use or the passive one in their fused form

Yes, and why would that block a vibration based attack?

Dark matter passively messes with space time, it should just nullify them being fixed in space or cause them to fail. Even their regular gun attacks should destroy them since it can destroy innocence constructs like Allens.

They aren't fixed in space in the spatial manipulation sense. They are just fixed in space. Fixed in place. And you're saying this like these two themselves are literally made out of dark matter. Are you suggesting Ley's attacks would literally be innefective against their physiology? The profile reads like it's an ability they have to actively use.

 

[Arkenis]

Yes, and why would that block a vibration based attack?

Because it already interacts with space, gravity, souls. But I read the fist king attack, it doesn't say anything about vibration. Where is that?

They aren't fixed in space in the spatial manipulation sense. They are just fixed in space. Fixed in place. And you're saying this like these two themselves are literally made out of dark matter. Are you suggesting Ley's attacks would literally be innefective against their physiology? The profile reads like it's an ability they have to actively use.

Oh so they'll just destroy them. Their abilities are made from dark matter and they can just control dark matter. It is something they have to use but even then, their regular attacks destroy dark matter or innocence. Ley's attack would be fine against them physically, but they'll block it is what I'm saying.

 

[VortechsTG]

Because it already interacts with space, gravity, souls. But I read the fist king attack, it doesn't say anything about vibration. Where is that?

I probably shouldn't have worded it like that. I thought there was another quote calling it a vibration. Calling it vibration based is probably a bit presumptuous, but, it directly strikes the internal organs. What use is putting a barrier between Rai and his target when the entire point of the technique is that it bypasses barriers between him and his target?

Oh so they'll just destroy them. Their abilities are made from dark matter and they can just control dark matter. It is something they have to use but even then, their regular attacks destroy dark matter or innocence. Ley's attack would be fine against them physically, but they'll block it is what I'm saying.

And I'm saying the entire point of the attack is that they can't be sensed or intuited by even opponents with far better senses than the twins. They will just run into them. Re:Zero characters only ever handle them because their perception speed far exceeds their combat speed and they can change velocity completely on a dime so the instant they start taking damage they can pull back, and not without sustaining some damage.

 

[MasterOwOgay]

Fairly interesting matchup. are the twins likely to talk to Ley?

 

[Arkenis]

I probably shouldn't have worded it like that. I thought there was another quote calling it a vibration. Calling it vibration based is probably a bit presumptuous, but, it directly strikes the internal organs. What use is putting a barrier between Rai and his target when the entire point of the technique is that it bypasses barriers between him and his target?

Where did it bypass energy based barriers?

And I'm saying the entire point of the attack is that they can't be sensed or intuited by even opponents with far better senses than the twins. They will just run into them. Re:Zero characters only ever handle them because their perception speed far exceeds their combat speed and they can change velocity completely on a dime so the instant they start taking damage they can pull back, and not without sustaining some damage.

Dark matter will just destroy it.

 

[Arkenis]

Fairly interesting matchup. are the twins likely to talk to Ley?

Yes they talk a bunch. But I've already given them info of Ley'd ability so they shouldn't give their names out. Though even if they had, their real name is Bondom which I don't believe they've given out. Then as fused their name is also Jasdevi.

 

[MasterOwOgay]

Where did it bypass energy based barriers?

He can powernull energy based barriers:

• Power Nullification (He can nullify powerful attacks with minimal strength with the Palm of the Fist King technique, he possesses magical arts which reject and counter any techniques)

Dark matter will just destroy it.

They would first need to know where it is in order to use Dark Matter on it, which they cannot do because they lack the necessary Extra sensory perception.

For now, i am leaning towards Ley

 

[Arkenis]

He can powernull energy based barriers:

Doesn't sound like literal nullifying the first one is just a physical thing unless you show Ram's attack was magic. And Jasdevi isn't using techniques.

They would first need to know where it is in order to use Dark Matter on it, which they cannot do because they lack the necessary Extra sensory perception.

No they can just expand dark matter as an aoe.

 

[Trxyway]

Doesn't sound like literal nullifying the first one is just a physical thing unless you show Ram's attack was magic.

"Ram, confirming the movement of the opponent aiming for Emilia's face, pointed the wand held in her own hands towards the face of the interim Rui.

At that moment, an extremely small wind was born, and transforming into a blade, was launched to slice up the opponent's face."

 

[Arkenis]

"Ram, confirming the movement of the opponent aiming for Emilia's face, pointed the wand held in her own hands towards the face of the interim Rui.

At that moment, an extremely small wind was born, and transforming into a blade, was launched to slice up the opponent's face."

"at that moment, an extremely small wind was born, and transforming into a blade, was launched to slice up the opponent's face"
"His perforating palm received the blade of wind from below, swallowing the wind in its shockwave and scatterig it subsequently"

Just sounds like he launches a shockwave at her wind attack. How exactly would this nullify dark matter or dark matter enhanced abilities?

 

[VortechsTG]

Just sounds like he launches a shockwave at her wind attack. How exactly would this nullify dark matter or dark matter enhanced abilities?

It wouldn't, but only because dark matter isn't something we've seen within Re:Zero. The extent of his power null isn't just a shockwave. In any case, this is beside the point. https://gyazo.com/aabfe7b55da3480e35a3a72a077d585f

 

[Arkenis]

It wouldn't, but only because dark matter isn't something we've seen within Re:Zero. The extent of his power null isn't just a shockwave. In any case, this is beside the point. https://gyazo.com/aabfe7b55da3480e35a3a72a077d585f

This also calls it a shockwave. So are you confirming it is just a shockwave? Like the fist king strike is just a shockwave duraneg? If that's the case then dark matter overpowers it through spatial and gravity hax.


Also I do think we've kinda glossed over the purple bomb. While Rai has IA, the glasses aren't merely blinding them, they create illusions. Rai has no resistance to illusions for one, but also the illusions can't be seen past by Allen's eye. And they landed this on five different people without anyone avoiding it.

• Cursed Eye: Improved Enhanced Senses, Enhanced Extrasensory Perception, Limited Reactive Evolution, Limited Regeneration and Information Analysis (Soul Vision, X-Ray Vision, Panoramic Vision and Supercolor Vision - Allen's Cursed Eye, regardless of the level allows Allen to see the soul within Akuma, this perception also allows Allen to hear the voice of these souls as well, this perception is omidirectional in a several meter cone which extends from Allen's body, if this eye is ever destroyed it can regenerate but given it takes several weeks for the regeneration to complete it isn't viable within combat, this perception is greatly increased after Allen's Cursed Eye evolved in his fight against Eliade, allowing him to see up to 300 meters via a omidirectional cone, which even allows Allen to see through obstacles which would normally block his vision. This evolved form of Allen's Cursed Eye also grants Allen other perception-based abilities like being able to see a wider range of color comparative to that of a human and even the ability to sense the aura of others even if they don't possess a soul within them. Level 3 greatly increases all of these abilities)

 

[VortechsTG]

This also calls it a shockwave. So are you confirming it is just a shockwave? Like the fist king strike is just a shockwave duraneg? If that's the case then dark matter overpowers it through spatial and gravity hax.

It's a shockwave that starts past barriers though. Like, if it touches the skin it directly strikes the organs. If it touches a barrier it directly strikes the skin.

Also I do think we've kinda glossed over the purple bomb. While Rai has IA, the glasses aren't merely blinding them, they create illusions. Rai has no resistance to illusions for one, but also the illusions can't be seen past by Allen's eye. And they landed this on five different people without anyone avoiding it.

• Cursed Eye: Improved Enhanced Senses, Enhanced Extrasensory Perception, Limited Reactive Evolution, Limited Regeneration and Information Analysis (Soul Vision, X-Ray Vision, Panoramic Vision and Supercolor Vision - Allen's Cursed Eye, regardless of the level allows Allen to see the soul within Akuma, this perception also allows Allen to hear the voice of these souls as well, this perception is omidirectional in a several meter cone which extends from Allen's body, if this eye is ever destroyed it can regenerate but given it takes several weeks for the regeneration to complete it isn't viable within combat, this perception is greatly increased after Allen's Cursed Eye evolved in his fight against Eliade, allowing him to see up to 300 meters via a omidirectional cone, which even allows Allen to see through obstacles which would normally block his vision. This evolved form of Allen's Cursed Eye also grants Allen other perception-based abilities like being able to see a wider range of color comparative to that of a human and even the ability to sense the aura of others even if they don't possess a soul within them. Level 3 greatly increases all of these abilities)

I'm not overlooking it or saying Rai resists it. It would take only a second for him to realize what he's seeing and hearing and what his instincts are telling him are mismatched and he can fight with all five of his senses cut off with instinct alone.

 

[Arkenis]

It's a shockwave that starts past barriers though. Like, if it touches the skin it directly strikes the organs. If it touches a barrier it directly strikes the skin.

Okay when has it bypassed something like dark matter? So far I've read it just sends shockwaves through the body and ice.

I'm not overlooking it or saying Rai resists it. It would take only a second for him to realize what he's seeing and hearing and what his instincts are telling him are mismatched and he can fight with all five of his senses cut off with instinct alone.

Allen's innocence has IA and he still had to actively fight and he couldn't block attacks. His eye is also automatic and didn't work.

I find it hard for Rai to last long once they land trick glasses on him. Also, while the twins are pretty obnoxious in how they fight, they can turn serious quickly to turn to fuse and become serious and stronger. Their fused form funny enough can emit vibrations through their hands. They could end up crushing Rai with their forcefields too or turn him into a bomb with a touch.

 

[VortechsTG]

Okay when has it bypassed something like dark matter? So far I've read it just sends shockwaves through the body and ice.

My guy what are you talking about? You're talking like dark matter is some kind of conceptual ability.

Allen's innocence has IA and he still had to actively fight and he couldn't block attacks. His eye is also automatic and didn't work.

Unless you're talking about Information Analysis, no, he doesn't. Not on his profile. This isn't relevant.

I find it hard for Rai to last long once they land trick glasses on him. Also, while the twins are pretty obnoxious in how they fight, they can turn serious quickly to turn to fuse and become serious and stronger. Their fused form funny enough can emit vibrations through their hands. They could end up crushing Rai with their forcefields too or turn him into a bomb with a touch.

Okay? Would they get serious if they aren't having serious trouble? Why would it even matter when the only thing here that looks effective is the forcefields and Rai's instincts won't let them do that?

 

[MasterOwOgay]

Doesn't sound like literal nullifying the first one is just a physical thing unless you show Ram's attack was magic. And Jasdevi isn't using techniques.

The creation of barriers is magic, and Ley possesses techniques specifically designed to counter such barriers. As such, it logically follows that nullifying them would not be particularly difficult for him.

• Huma: The lowest class of Huma. It is a spell which manipulates ice on a small scale, such as forming a barrier to protect oneself. This Water attribute Huma differs from the Fire attribute Huma, as it directly converts mana into ice instead of freezing moisture in the air, which despite being more mana-intensive, allows Rem to instantly dismiss ice back into mana.

Okay when has it bypassed something like dark matter? So far I've read it just sends shockwaves through the body and ice.


Allen's innocence has IA and he still had to actively fight and he couldn't block attacks. His eye is also automatic and didn't work.

This is not even remotely comparable. Rai is capable of continuing to fight effectively even without any of his senses, whereas they are not.

I find it hard for Rai to last long once they land trick glasses on him. Also, while the twins are pretty obnoxious in how they fight, they can turn serious quickly to turn to fuse and become serious and stronger. Their fused form funny enough can emit vibrations through their hands. They could end up crushing Rai with their forcefields too or turn him into a bomb with a touch.

Vibrations can be avoided fairly easily by him.

On that note, what exactly can they do against Rai using Leaper alongside durability negation to heavily damage them?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

I see this matchup being fairly comfortable for Ley overall. Jasdevi lacks several key abilities needed to properly deal with him, especially considering Ley will exploit the gaps between their thought and action. That alone would keep them constantly on the back foot throughout the fight.

Fighting multiple opponents at once is also nothing new for the Gluttonies. Roy was able to overwhelm both Ricardo and Julius simultaneously, despite Julius being capable of instantly killing him if his attack landed. Ley is directly stated to be the strongest among the Gluttonies, so he should logically scale above those feats.

 

[Arkenis]

The creation of barriers is magic, and Ley possesses techniques specifically designed to counter such barriers. As such, it logically follows that nullifying them would not be particularly difficult for him.

I guess, but dark matter isn't magic anyway.

This is not even remotely comparable. Rai is capable of continuing to fight effectively even without any of his senses, whereas they are not.

I'm saying IA doesn't work against the illusions.

On that note, what exactly can they do against Rai using Leaper alongside durability negation to heavily damage them?

I've already said Jasdevi has a passive aura around them that blocks out attacks, so they won't be doing much with it.

I see this matchup being fairly comfortable for Ley overall. Jasdevi lacks several key abilities needed to properly deal with him, especially considering Ley will exploit the gaps between their thought and action. That alone would keep them constantly on the back foot throughout the fight.

Such as?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

I guess, but dark matter isn't magic anyway.

Verse equalization, the power system is similar enough

I'm saying IA doesn't work against the illusions.

You did need to give me a concrete reason for why it would not

I've already said Jasdevi has a passive aura around them that blocks out attacks, so they won't be doing much with it.

It can be broken through via powernull rather easily

Such as?

The skill feats, Ley scales vastly above Old wilhelm, Ram and Elsa

You can check their intelligence page

 

[Arkenis]

Verse equalization, the power system is similar enough

No? Dark matter is distinctly different from magic in DGM.

You did need to give me a concrete reason for why it would not

I did. Literally said Allen's innocence has IA and it couldn't work through the illusions.

Allen's innocence has IA and he still had to actively fight and he couldn't block attacks. His eye is also automatic and didn't work.

It can be broken through via powernull rather easily

Jasdevi resist powernull and they have powernull as well. And I've tried asking for some clarity on this. Is the fist king powernull just from its shockwaves? Cuz if so that has no reason to powernull dark matter abilities.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

No? Dark matter is distinctly different from magic in DGM.

Oh, is that so?

I did. Literally said Allen's innocence has IA and it couldn't work through the illusions.

just because you have the same ability listed does not mean they share the same level of potency, this is especially true for skill-based abilities. Ley has way better feats and has the ability to make it useless to affect his senses because he can fight without them, his intuition would allow him to be able to fight regardless of if you give him the illusions or not

Jasdevi resist powernull and they have powernull as well. And I've tried asking for some clarity on this. Is the fist king powernull just from its shockwaves? Cuz if so that has no reason to powernull dark matter abilities.

Fist King’s effect is the dissipation/nullification of abilities. Whether shockwaves are involved is just the delivery method, not the limitation of the ability itself. The important part is that it directly disperses hax upon contact.

We also know they can adapt to counter other supernatural abilities, like Roy using Twilight Mage to intercept and cancel Julius’ Al Clarista.

In practice, He did just create new counters

 

[Arkenis]

Oh, is that so?

Yeah.

just because you have the same ability listed does not mean they share the same level of potency, this is especially true for skill-based abilities. Ley has way better feats and has the ability to make it useless to affect his senses because he can fight without them, his intuition would allow him to be able to fight regardless of if you give him the illusions or not

You haven't explained the potency. Is there something special about the IA? Skill isn't a factor for potency either.

Fist King’s effect is the dissipation/nullification of abilities. Whether shockwaves are involved is just the delivery method, not the limitation of the ability itself. The important part is that it directly disperses hax upon contact.

That is important. They explicitly say its not magic, so it can only be regular shockwaves, unless I'm missing something? It disperses techniques. Jasdevi isn't using techniques so why does it work?

We also know they can adapt to counter other supernatural abilities, like Roy using Twilight Mage to intercept and cancel Julius’ Al Clarista.

In practice, He did just create new counters

I think you linked the wrong thing. This just says he used a spell that looked like the other. How does this mean Rai will counter dark matter?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

You haven't explained the potency. Is there something special about the IA? Skill isn't a factor for potency either.

It is in the case of skill-based abilities like analytical prediction, instinctive action, etc

Btw, on Allen's profile, this link is dead:

• Information Analysis (Cross and Crown Clown will directly Inform Allen on how to perform certain actions with his newly acquired form of either Cross or Crown Clown)

Anyways, the difference here is that Ley does not need any of his senses which are being affected by the illusions to fight, this means that those illusions are practically useless. The instinctive action Allen has still relies on his senses and outside information

That is important. They explicitly say its not magic, so it can only be regular shockwaves, unless I'm missing something? It disperses techniques. Jasdevi isn't using techniques so why does it work?

Ram uses wind magic, he disperses it with his technique, why would a wand be involved if it wasn't magic

I think you linked the wrong thing. This just says he used a spell that looked like the other. How does this mean Rai will counter dark matter?

This made me realize that creating the same magic as Al Clauz means he can freely use all 6 elements at once which requires the brainpower of multiple brains...

Anyways, he could create viable counters to the haxes used by Dark matter although tbf he could just dodge and land hits whichever would be more optimal

Btw how is JD dealing with Ley teleporting around?

 

[Arkenis]

Anyways, the difference here is that Ley does not need any of his senses which are being affected by the illusions to fight, this means that those illusions are practically useless. The instinctive action Allen has still relies on his senses and outside information

Nah. They'll still affect him. Allen is getting confused by his senses and IA doesn't activate.

Ram uses wind magic, he disperses it with his technique, why would a wand be involved if it wasn't magic

Not what I'm talking about. Rai's fist king attack isn't magic, they say this. The point is, since its not magical shockwaves, its just regular ones, why would it work on dark matter.

Btw how is JD dealing with Ley teleporting around?

Already answered this.

I've already said Jasdevi has a passive aura around them that blocks out attacks, so they won't be doing much with it.

Points so far:

Rai's Fist King attack is regular shockwaves. Here its separated from magic.
Rai's teleportation gets countered by Jasdevi's passive aura.
Rai's IA can't work because even Allen's IA wasn't working while affected by trick glasses. IA can be potent in skill, but so far you guys haven't proven his IA would work against illusions and he himself doesn't resist them.

Jasdevi can easily crush him if they catch him with their hair or the star shields.
Jasdevi can turn him into a bomb with a touch.
Dark matter has several hax such as spatial and gravity that make getting close or countering Jasdevi in combat an issue since he doesn't resist it.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Nah. They'll still affect him. Allen is getting confused by his senses and IA doesn't activate.

Its not even on the level of shamak.

Shamak: A basic Yin Magic spell that allows the user to be able to trap their opponents in an area of darkness that seperates their senses from their body.

Cutting off your senses>Confusing your senses.

I am not gonna reply to this argument anymore because you are just repeating yourself without properly understanding the core issue with your assertion

Not what I'm talking about. Rai's fist king attack isn't magic, they say this. The point is, since its not magical shockwaves, its just regular ones, why would it work on dark matter.

It being non-magical is irrelevant when the ability itself is explicitly shown and indexed as power null against supernatural abilities.

Already answered this.

Didnt i already mention that barriers would automatically get powernull'd? palm of the fist king instantly negs it and then does this to him

Points so far:

Rai's Fist King attack is regular shockwaves. Here its separated from magic.

You are using a scan for Roswaal, thats not even the palm of the fist king lol.

And yeah, it can be a non-magical technique, that doesn't mean it would stop functioning. Ley can also teleport using a "technique", Olbart can manipulate the od with technique, Halibel can create clones which are just as strong as him using technique. The effects of the abilities dont disappear just because it isnt magic

Rai's teleportation gets countered by Jasdevi's passive aura.

already explained why this isnt the case

Rai's IA can't work because even Allen's IA wasn't working while affected by trick glasses. IA can be potent in skill, but so far you guys haven't proven his IA would work against illusions and he himself doesn't resist them.

Actually, looking through his stuff, Ley can just shrug off trick glasses

Anyone but a lower-grade opponent can brush off Shamak, which affects the senses such as hearing and vision, with skill, and Rai can brush off Beatrice's Shamak, which affects all 5 senses

but anyways, once again. They havent performed something on the level of being able to accurately target your enemies' vitals while having all your senses cut off so this is a moot point

Jasdevi can easily crush him if they catch him with their hair or the star shields.
Jasdevi can turn him into a bomb with a touch.
Dark matter has several hax such as spatial and gravity that make getting close or countering Jasdevi in combat an issue since he doesn't resist it.

He can just dodge or powernull that stuff, spatial manipulation and gravity manipulation are part of yin magic

 

[Arkenis]

Its not even on the level of shamak.

Cutting off your senses>Confusing your senses.

Not comparable. Ones illusions, the others not being able to see. Stop these pointless comparisons.

I am not gonna reply to this argument anymore because you are just repeating yourself without properly understanding the core issue with your assertion

I've explained it, you don't seem to get it.

It being non-magical is irrelevant when the ability itself is explicitly shown and indexed as power null against supernatural abilities.

Well no its shown just against magic. Not dark matter. I don't see why this works and it kinda just feels like a forced argument than anything genuine.

Didnt i already mention that barriers would automatically get powernull'd? palm of the fist king instantly negs it and then does this to him

I explained this as well. The noah resists powernull from dark matter of other noahs and akumas. They also have powernull themselves.

already explained why this isnt the case

It is lmao but alright.

Actually, looking through his stuff, Ley can just shrug off trick glasses

Anyone but a lower-grade opponent can brush off Shamak, which affects the senses such as hearing and vision, with skill, and Rai can brush off Beatrice's Shamak, which affects all 5 senses

Not in the resistances. Can you show where you got that?

but anyways, once again. They havent performed something on the level of being able to accurately target your enemies' vitals while having all your senses cut off so this is a moot point

Why would they have their senses cut off? Do you mean Allen or you mean from the Yin magic that has no explanation.

He can just dodge or powernull that stuff, spatial manipulation and gravity manipulation are part of yin magic

Where is that on page?