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Nahhh i’m not going to touch this lol, also why Musashi exactly? Okita need more love
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Santōryū vs Niten Ichi-ryū
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The issue is.
She narrows infinite futures into 1 via fate hax
Zoro foresees that one and creates another by countering that attack through his Kenbunshoku. It's nearly impossible to pin who wins if we keep arguing "she creates her best outcome vs he'll counter that outcome because he'd foresee it." The inconclusion in this is the fact that we never saw her use it on anyone who could foresee her using that (definitively, not foresee thousands of possibilities and she just goes for thousands -and one-)
She narrows infinite futures into 1 via fate hax
Zoro foresees that one and creates another by countering that attack through his Kenbunshoku. It's nearly impossible to pin who wins if we keep arguing "she creates her best outcome vs he'll counter that outcome because he'd foresee it." The inconclusion in this is the fact that we never saw her use it on anyone who could foresee her using that (definitively, not foresee thousands of possibilities and she just goes for thousands -and one-)
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It's infinite, she's sifting through an infinite number of futures and picks one true outcome. She views infinite futures but she isn't Manipulating infinite futures just one if that's what you mean?
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A man of ******* culture.
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Yes... No
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Zoro at the moment scales to baseline 6-C because he one shot a character that scales to 4 Gigatons. So basically: 4.3 Gigatons = Base Zoro < Zoro with Haki (can one shot those comparable to his base) < Asura.
I think the 6-C servants scale to 20 something Gigatons.
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By "creating another" I don't mean he literally changes fate, I mean he just reacts to that unexpeted outcome because his Kenbunshoku would allow him to. Get Ritsuka on the sidelines so Musashi gets a command seal boost.
The only way fate altering is at play here is through her shifting through all those realities, but it has no effect in her actually ATTACKING is the thing. That's still entirely dependant on her, and that's why she couldn't land a blow on Ivan even with it before everyone else started getting involved so she got the tusk.
The only way fate altering is at play here is through her shifting through all those realities, but it has no effect in her actually ATTACKING is the thing. That's still entirely dependant on her, and that's why she couldn't land a blow on Ivan even with it before everyone else started getting involved so she got the tusk.
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Yee but all of that is still in 1 future
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You can't create another futur without fate hax. What he can do is defeat her before she use the eyes.
He can't counter the outcome if she had chose it as it's the only one existing even if he see it he locked to that one futur.
And nobody goes thousand. Yagyuu was able to see every outcome of all of her infinity future she litteraly needed to create a new possible one via fate manipulation (the magic thing you guy try to give to zoro)
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What's the difference in AP required to one shot a character anyway? Wasn't in 7x?
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Explain further if you can? I'm lost unless you mean that one future has infinite outcomes.
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Yeah
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He can't change fate, he doesn't have fate manipulation nor it exist another fate for this action. She litteraly erased all other possible futur than this one.
She couldn't blow on Ivan because he is tier 1 and whitout zero domain she can't affect him, and she needed to go zero, she needed to go zero for the tusk too and the tusk is like Ivan too
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One future has infinite outcomes and she is erasing those infinite outcomes into 1... But there are still other futures she is doing nothing to.
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Well technically Kenbunshoku Haki users can indirectly change the future with their actions, it's a major reason why when two Kenbunshoku Haki users of Future Sight use fight the outcome they see didn't happen accordingly. Within that small window they see what's about to happen and they do whatever to change it.
However it's a bit different whenever the opponent can also manipulate said future, now she isn't doing Yhwach levels of fuckery since she either attacks through the future to cut limbs off or basically uses the auto win button.
However it's a bit different whenever the opponent can also manipulate said future, now she isn't doing Yhwach levels of fuckery since she either attacks through the future to cut limbs off or basically uses the auto win button.
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Then shouldn't Zoro scale to 30.1 gigaton, if he's strong enough to one shot a 4.3 gigaton character?
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No. He's just Massively above 4 gigs
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That's literally what I've been saying the whole time. He isn't creating another future, he's just changing the future she lands on by taking an action she wouldn't account for because of his future sight.
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They can change their futur not creating one when no other exist.
I mean zero do way more bastard than yhwach technically but yeah she more direct than him she not polyvalent with it
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Massively, but without quantity?
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But it doesn't exist another futur as she cut all of them, it's the principe of her ability, it's what we are saying the whole time.
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It just means he upscales nothing more
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So even if you time travel you will get hit...
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Another future doesn't need to exist. That same future becomes the present and Zoro's precognition changes it in the present of that future........ God, this got way more theoretical than I thought.
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Well I guess flash, reverse flash and many more that can travel to infinite futures will get hit... Gg
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Huh no? It's not how it work, you have one action, let take as here cutting is right arm. She cut all other possibilities except one where she cut it.
He see that she will cut his arm, but he would not be able to change it as by her fate manipulation it's the only futur that can happen as it doesn't exist any other.
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Infinite futur as universe? Anyways i don't understand what you don't understand.
Her ability is to erase all infinite possible futur of an action to make the one she want the only to happen. it mean that even if the guy have an ability that would make him time travel she would just chose the one of the infinite possibilities where he don't do it.
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If he foresees her cutting his arm he wouldn't let her swing her blade to do it in the first place, WHICH IS WHAT LEADS TO ANOTHER FUTURE GETTING CREATED. Not literally, just a different outcome through a course of action created by his own action because of his Kenbunshoku.
You think me saying "he'll make a new future" is literal? Of course not-
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No it's fate, she manipulate fate to have only one existing and so the only one that can happenWhat you are saying is lowkey Law Manipulation
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But her Fate Manip would negate that.
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Honestly ignoring the hax, the ap gap between the two is big enough that it would be an uphill for Zoro as he needs to defeat her before she uses the hax move but he has a significantly lower ap than her, which normally wouldn't be too bad but she's also (from what I've heard) as skilled if not more skilled than he is. So he basically can only win if they prolong the fight long enough for Zoro to maybe pull out a victory with the help of both Armament and Observation Haki and Musashi decides she doesn't wanna insta win.
This battle is an example of why I don't like Zoro where he is atm because he can only have an even fight against hax'ed opponents when the ap gap is small. Enough of my complaining.
This battle is an example of why I don't like Zoro where he is atm because he can only have an even fight against hax'ed opponents when the ap gap is small. E
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But he can't it's the whole point of fate manipulation, how it's hard to understand? It's not just here chosing a futur it's her cutting all the other futur so only this one can happen, it's a magical word called fate hax.
Her hax make it doesn't exist an another outcome, litteraly.
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You can change fate by seeing the future...
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The future left by Musashi will happen even if it means space time itself will need to be bent as only a single possible future exists at that moment and it will be realised
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Not if any other future simply doesn't exist
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It's simple fate need to exist to be changed, she litteraly make a single outcome being the fate, you don't have other fate only this one, it doesn't exist any possibility of changing it.
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