Santōryū vs Niten Ichi-ryū

[MonkeyOfLife]

Not if any other future simply doesn't exist

But that 1 only outcome will exist which you would see and if you can see that, it would create another outcome by it's own

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Also does she start with that?

 

[John985]

It wont create any new future, because if she want something to happen, it will happen.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Also does she start with that?

 

[Regidian]

But that 1 only outcome will exist which you would see and if you can see that, it would create another outcome by it's own

The another outcome can't be created it simple it exist only one and only one.


For if we use it first habitually yes, her eyes are always active it usually just depend if she want to do it direct or have a cool fight before.

 

[Nierre]

this feels like a GER thread

 

[Regidian]

Anyways i will stop now, wasted precious hours of revision,

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

The another outcome can't be created it simple it exist only one and only one.

She would need to erase all upcoming outcomes to do that which she doesn't...

It can be said that it is a very special magic eye that limits the future that should be infinite to "only one" result.

She just removes all infinite outcomes into one..

She erases only the outcomes that already exists not ones that gets created

 

[John985]

Yeah she removes infinite outcomes to one, but because of her Fate Manip, it will became definite.

 

[Excaliburhuman]

She would need to erase all upcoming outcomes to do that which she doesn't...

She just removes all infinite outcomes into one..

She erases only the outcomes that already exists not ones that gets created

I'll put it this way. Lets say instead of fighting they are playing a game of rock paper scissors. Musashi cuts all possibility that Zoro will not use rock so he is forced to rock. He can see this and try to change it but since the possibility of him using anything else is cut down he will be forced to use rock. He cannot create a new possibility where he does not use rock since he does not have fate manip.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

I'll put it this way. Lets say instead of fighting they are playing a game of rock paper scissors. Musashi cuts all possibility that Zoro will not use rock so he is forced to rock. He can see this and try to change it but since the possibility of him using anything else is cut down he will be forced to use rock. He cannot create a new possibility where he does not use rock since he does not have fate manip.

You don't need fate manipulation... It literally says she removes the outcomes (which are already existing) but it doesn't erase non existing outcomes that gets created... Otherwise this ability would be > Kengou Battou: Ishana-Daitenshou: Following her fight with Saber Emperio, she fully mastered her technique. She is now no longer limited to choosing existing possibilities. She can now create new ones entirely, and find an answer that lies outside the bounds of possibility. With this, she was able to counter Yagyu's ability to account and find a counter for every possibility in a given scenario, despite her having technically no possible way to win. It is the ability to "slash through the unbreakable heavens themselves." Her blade has become one that shaves down all of existence to a single possibility. This is the true form of Zero, a technique designed to create an inescapable end, even against the gods or The Buddha.

 

[Rez]

You don't need fate manipulation... It literally says she removes the outcomes (which are already existing) but it doesn't erase non existing outcomes that gets created...

Their is no such thing as non existing outcomes the infinite possibilities part already covers everything

 

[Rez]

And to bring an non existent outcome into existence will require some good fate manipulation which zoro lacks

 

[Excaliburhuman]

You don't need fate manipulation... It literally says she removes the outcomes (which are already existing) but it doesn't erase non existing outcomes that gets created... Otherwise this ability would be > Kengou Battou: Ishana-Daitenshou: Following her fight with Saber Emperio, she fully mastered her technique. She is now no longer limited to choosing existing possibilities. She can now create new ones entirely, and find an answer that lies outside the bounds of possibility. With this, she was able to counter Yagyu's ability to account and find a counter for every possibility in a given scenario, despite her having technically no possible way to win. It is the ability to "slash through the unbreakable heavens themselves." Her blade has become one that shaves down all of existence to a single possibility. This is the true form of Zero, a technique designed to create an inescapable end, even against the gods or The Buddha.

She is erasing all existing possibilities so unless zoro can do something outside of existing possibilities (which he can't) it does not matter. And I think you misunderstood my point. My point is Zoro countering musashi's block in any ways falls under the infinite possibility which have been erased.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

She is erasing all existing possibilities

Yes and Zoro will make it so a new one creates which counters.

 

[John985]

.......it won't create any new future because of her Fate Manipulation.

 

[Rez]

I am done here just count my vote for Musashi

 

[Excaliburhuman]

Yes and Zoro will make it so a new one creates which counters.

And to do so he needs fate manip. All his counters are erased.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

And to do so he needs fate manip. All his counters are erased.

.......it won't create any new future because of her Fate Manipulation.

Bro it doesn't say that... You would need proof of that

 

[Excaliburhuman]

You need proof of Zoro being able to do something that falls into a non-existing possibility. Everything he can do falls under existing possibilities. Anyways I'm talking to a stonewall I vote musashi via fate manip.

 

[John985]

^Yep, vote to Musashi because of Fate Manip.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

You need proof of Zoro being able to do something that falls into a non-existing possibility

How do I need proof when zoro can literally see the only outcome and counter it which while automatically create a new possibility.

 

[Excaliburhuman]

Because him seeing and countering falls under the infinite possibilities.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Because him seeing and countering falls under the infinite possibilities.

No it doesn't...

She is now no longer limited to choosing existing possibilities

This literally says she can only remove existing possibilities... Zoro's counter will make a new possibility that didn't exists before.

 

[RazumaHiroki]

Anyways, Zoro FRA.

 

[LordGinSama]

Zoro FRA.

 

[John985]

Voting for Zoro when he cant do anything to fate manip.....

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Voting for Zoro when he cant do anything to fate manip.....

He can also attack before she uses it... He will one shot and nearly blitz with ShiShi sonson

 

[Rez]

He can also attack before she uses it... He will one shot and nearly blitz with ShiShi sonson

One shot with about 5 times ap disadvantage not happening and her using heavenly eyes is definitely faster than zoro attacking

 

[John985]

He cant, because Heavenly Eye can see infinite future and will cut down any possible future to one to something she wants.

I'll put it this way. Lets say instead of fighting they are playing a game of rock paper scissors. Musashi cuts all possibility that Zoro will not use rock so he is forced to rock. He can see this and try to change it but since the possibility of him using anything else is cut down he will be forced to use rock. He cannot create a new possibility where he does not use rock since he does not have fate manip.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

One shot with about 5 times ap disadvantage not happening and her using heavenly eyes is definitely faster than zoro attacking

Does she start with it?

 

[LordGinSama]

Blitz's via ShiShi SonSon. Her fate manipulation isn't passive and she won't use it against skilled Swordsmen like Zoro who don't skill stomp her. She's only ever used it against opponents who she thinks that she has no chance against.

 

[John985]

Does she start with it?

its her eye......

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Also
Weaknesses: She is weak to flattery

Zoro will easily utilize her weakness

 

[Excaliburhuman]

If Zoro can one shot and speed bilitz I think that would fall under someone who think she has no chance against

 

[Rez]

If Zoro can one shot and speed bilitz I think that would fall under someone who think she has no chance against

He can't one shot but blitzing is an possibility so yeah you are right

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

If Zoro can one shot and speed bilitz I think that would fall under someone who think she has no chance against

She won't realize

 

[John985]

If Zoro can one shot and speed bilitz I think that would fall under someone who think she has no chance against

he only upscale to 4gigaton, to servant 26.6 gigaton

 

[Nierre]

Assuming this is valid , Musashi fra

 

[Rez]

he only upscale to 4gigaton, to servant 26.6 gigaton

That's a 6.65 times ap advantage better than what I thought although it's kinda irrelevant since even without ap advantage she hax stomps badly