Sanji vs Oldbeard

[Kachon123]

Wasn't Luffy letting him self get hit and burnt by Sanji?

That doesn't change his heat resistance, so I'm not too sure how this is relevant.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Uh, no.

Sanji scales much higher than Marco in AP.

No he doesn't

That doesn't change his heat resistance, so I'm not too sure how this is relevant.

Because he wasn't even trying to guard, not to mention Sanji needed a ton of attacks to actually make him fall.

 

[Kachon123]

No he doesn't

Sanji: Ifrit Jambe + SS > DJ + SS > DJ > Queen Mech Arm Durability >~ Winch Queen > Sanji Exo > Queen 2 arm sword > Queen 1 arm sword ~ Hybrid Queen =< Marco

Reading seems to be a bit hard for you.

It is right here.

Because he wasn't even trying to guard, not to mention Sanji needed a ton of attacks to actually make him fall.

What does that have to do with heat?

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Reading seems to be a bit hard for you.

It is right here.

I mean, Sanji needed 10 attacks to knock out Queen ( who was off guard ) with his strongest technique, and the first IJ attack seems to have still done less damage than Marco's Phoenix Brand.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Kachon making up big scaling chains to give Sanji the W

Anyways WB takes the win low diff due to being WB, who took down Akainu, fought multiple Admirals, and is… You know… A ******* Yonko

Sanji’s Yonko Commander level ass gets sent back to Baratie

 

[Kachon123]

Kachon making up big scaling chains to give Sanji the W

Are they wrong?

Anyways WB takes the win low diff due to being WB, who took down Akainu, fought multiple Admirals, and is… You know… A ******* Yonko

This isn't a reason.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Kachon making up big scaling chains to give Sanji the W

Anyways WB takes the win low diff due to being WB, who took down Akainu, fought multiple Admirals, and is… You know… A ******* Yonko

Sanji’s Yonko Commander level ass gets sent back to Baratie

Yeah pretty much.

Are they wrong?

This isn't a reason.

I mean, it IS a good reason.
Fighting the Admirals and defeating Akainu ( who scales above Sanji in everything except Durability ) is a pretty good feat that Sanji couldn't replicate.

 

[Kachon123]

I mean, it IS a good reason.

No it's not lmao.

Fighting the Admirals and defeating Akainu ( who scales above Sanji in everything except Durability ) is a pretty good feat that Sanji couldn't replicate.

Based on?

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Are they wrong?

This isn't a reason.

It is, one that works

I mean you’d basically have to argue Sanji>Akainu and Multipls Admirals teaming up to say he gets the W

I mean Greenbull is fodder to Shanks, who is Oldbeard’s equal, and Greenbull zero diffed King and Queen, while Sanji struggled greatly against Queen, so yeah

I mean anyone who thinks current Sanji wins this should just quit One Piece scaling altogether TBH

 

[DaMonkeMan]

It is, one that works

I mean you’d basically have to argue Sanji>Akainu and Multipls Admirals teaming up to say he gets the W

I mean Greenbull is fodder to Shanks, who is Oldbeard’s equal, and Greenbull zsro diffed King and Queen, while Sanji struggled greatly against Queen, so yeah

I mean anyone who thinks current Sanji wins this should just quit One Piece scaling altogether TBH

I agree but King and Queen were still damaged when Aramaki fought them.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Btw how many votes for each side?

 

[Da3ggman]

In what regards? Heat? AP?

Heat

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Not voting yet, but what feats does Sanji's fire have that are higher than Akainu's magma?

I don't think he has any.

 

[Kachon123]

Heat

Akainu's magma was able to burn Ace, who scales above his own fire in resistance. His fire was able to slightly burn Oldbeard.

Akainu Magma > Ace Resistance > Ace Fire > Blackbeard resistance > Akainu Ambient Heat

Ifrit Jambe > Sanji Exo Resistance > Sanji Base Resistance > Diable Jambe > WCI Luffy Resistance >~ Marineford Luffy Resistance > Akainu Ambient Heat

 

[Kachon123]

Going to sleep now

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Gn.

 

[XDragnoir]

Bro.

Mitch of all people is using ABC logic? The **** is going on here?

 

[Da3ggman]

Mitch of all people is using ABC logic? The **** is going on here?

Who tf is Mitch

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Who tf is Mitch

Well known supporter for the verse.

Bro.

Mitch of all people is using ABC logic? The **** is going on here?

I mean it's true in this case.
Sickbeard >= Akainu >> Sanji

 

[XDragnoir]

I mean, Sanji needed 10 attacks to knock out Queen ( who was off guard ) with his strongest technique, and the first IJ attack seems to have still done less damage than Marco's Phoenix Brand.

And Marco who is "so much stronger" couldn't KO him at all so? KO someone is way more related to endurance and the place you hit them than the actual APxDura dynamic.

Also, it is a well known fact by this point that the amount of blood isn't an indicative of strength, much less from different characters

 

[Godernet]

insanity...

 

[DaMonkeMan]

And Marco who is "so much stronger" couldn't KO him at all so? KO someone is way more related to endurance and the place you hit them than the actual APxDura dynamic.

Because Marco didn't fight him as long not to mention he had to also fight King.

Also, it is a well known fact by this point that the amount of blood isn't an indicative of strength, much less from different characters

Yes it is.

 

[Sus]

Nearly dead Sickbeard > Blackbeard < Zoan Sengoku

just say whitebeard >~ akainu

 

[Sus]

Speed

Whitebeard: Oldbeard ~ Shanks >~ Kid >~ Life-Amped Big Mom > Homies Big Mom ~ Marco

dont seem like we accept bm to get faster via amps
kidd is able to dodge her homies tho so doesnt matter much
also shanks kinda blitzed kidd

Sanji: Ifrit Jambe + SS > DJ + SS > DJ > Hybrid Queen Perception ~ Marco

fine

 

[Kachon123]

just say whitebeard >~ akainu

Akainu doesn't have any clear scaling other than being relative to Marco

 

[Sus]

IN SPEED LOL

Kid could still see him coming and somewhat see Divine Departure coming.

oh right i guess kidd was more surprised than blitzed

 

[Kachon123]

also shanks kinda blitzed kidd

He was still able to see it coming, he just couldn't react in time.

 

[Sus]

Akainu doesn't have any clear scaling other than being relative to Marco

neither does old wb he scales above marco

He was still able to see it coming, he just couldn't react in time.

oh right i guess kidd was more surprised than blitzed

 

[Kachon123]

neither does old wb he scales above marco

That scaling was for Sickbeard, not Oldbeard btw.

I switched to Oldbeard, where his scaling is slightly different.

 

[Kachon123]

That scaling was for Sickbeard, not Oldbeard btw.

I switched to Oldbeard, where his scaling is slightly different.

AP

Whitebeard: Oldbeard Haō Infusion > Oldbeard > Marco ~ No Homies Big Mom AP > Zoan Queen Durability

 

[Sus]

Which feats?

akainu's magma heat > kaen daiku >>> g5 + bosu luffy

 

[Kachon123]

akainu's magma heat > kaen daiku

What's this based on?

 

[Sus]

What's this based on?

kaido's heat being df-based
akainu having the highest offensive power of a df (his ap was matched by a sick old whitebeard so it most likely refers to his heat that can burn anything)

 

[Kachon123]

kaido's heat being df-based

Uh, no. Akainu only scales above the Mera-Mera mo Mi.

akainu having the highest offensive power of a df (his ap was matched by a sick old whitebeard so it most likely refers to his heat that can burn anything)

It's accepted as AP.

 

[Sus]

It's accepted as AP.

big mom and kaido's df's scale higher tho
and luffy but his df was hidden so it probably doesnt count

 

[Kachon123]

big mom

Does it?

kaido's df's scale higher

He uses his physicals as well, so it's not purely his devil fruit.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Uh, no. Akainu only scales above the Mera-Mera mo Mi.

Idk why you'd think his DF being superior to flames only applies to a certain DF when it's clearly just a general hierarchy.

 

[XDragnoir]

Because Marco didn't fight him as long not to mention he had to also fight King.

That is exactly the point I was bringing up? Wtf?

Marco would need a hundred hits to KO Queen because Queen has crazy endurance, why then Sanji needing just as many hits means Sanji is weaker than Marco? Your logic that "Ifrit needed 10 hits so it is weaker than Marco" makes no sense.

Yes it is.

It isn't, spitting blood isn't a consistent thing.

kaido's heat being df-based
akainu having the highest offensive power of a df (his ap was matched by a sick old whitebeard so it most likely refers to his heat that can burn anything)

That's not what's accepted currently nor is it even slightly close to what the statements about Akainu and his DF imply, so you will have to do a CRT if you want this accepted.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

That is exactly the point I was bringing up? Wtf?

Marco would need a hundred hits to KO Queen because Queen has crazy endurance, why then Sanji needing just as many hits means Sanji is weaker than Marco? Your logic that "Ifrit needed 10 hits so it is weaker than Marco" makes no sense.

It isn't, spitting blood isn't a consistent thing.


That's not what's accepted currently nor is it even slightly close to what the statements about Akainu and his DF imply, so you will have to do a CRT if you want this accepted.

If you actually knew what I was saying you'd know I'm not implying that Ifrit Jambe is massively weaker than Marco but just that Sanji needed his strongest attack to match the amount of damage Marco did to Zoan Queen.

 

[TauanVictor]

It's worth noting that Marco has been shown have more Stamina than Sanji, and both <<< Oldbeard.