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Sanji vs Oldbeard
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Reasoning?
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Ah yes, forgot.
WB has superior AP against everything other than IJ, superior durability, ******* absurd stamina to outlast Sanji, and while IJ can definitely burn him, this is a dude who had half his face melted off and kept fighting.
He only needs a few good hits (especially with Hao Infusion since this is oldbeard) to take Sanji down, Sanji will need a fuckton more hits to take him down and will likely run out of steam first.
WB takes this but not without major burns everywhere.
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What is this based on again?
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The fact that his attacks, especially with Hao, combine his monstrous AP with Hao Infusion.
Sanji can take a few of those, but he will fall before WB does.
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Sanji's durability with haki durability scales above/to Ifrit Jambe + SS.
If Ifrit + SS is above WB's AP, then how would those attacks deal more damage to Sanji with haki?
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Honestly Akainu saying his magma is above "mere flames" after negating Ace completely is enough for me to say his heat is above Sanji's.
And as I've shown before, Sickbeard has dealt with this effectively, via either using quakes to deflect it or swatting it with his naginata.
And as I've shown before, Sickbeard has dealt with this effectively, via either using quakes to deflect it or swatting it with his naginata.
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Unless Akainu has seen Ifrit Jambe before saying that, I don't understand how this applies to Sanji?
This is fair, but it's also all assuming that he would even be able to do this. Sanji is faster that Whitebeard to the point where he can blitz him, so I heavily doubt that he'd be able to deflect Sanji's kicks like that.
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Because he wasn't passively burned by Akainu, which is higher than Sanji's temperature (magma > fire naturally). And he could still block his attacks without getting burned at any given moment.
Passively vaporizing steel and change the entire environment of Punk Hazard.
So which version would we be using? Sickbeard? Oldbeard?
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You used a scalling that wasn't accepted.
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Not getting burned by Akainu's passive heat doesn't mean shit.
Luffy during Marineford didn't get burned either, and yet he got burned by WCI Sanji's Diable Jambe.
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Sanji scales higher than both of thoses.
... AP and Speed...?
Oldbeard.
DaMonkeMan
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He's literally just superior to flames.
I think Oda him self even confirmed this, he scales above them no matter what type of flames they are.
iirc, Whitebeard is relative to Akainu, who's equal to or above Marco, who scales to Queen who Sanji his scaling from.
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And Sanji isn't?
Oda never said this what are you on about
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Sanji has Heat to severely damage WB
Sanji is fast enough to blitz WB and his attempts to counter the heat with emission or gura shockwaves
Sanji has slightly higher AP
Sanji has regen and better stamina to match WB's endurance
Sanji has mobility in sky walk to avoid shockwaves
Sanji has several different durability negating attacks
Sanji has many AP amps with different Jambes, Super Speed, and Rotations
Sanji has many speed amps with different Jambes and Super Speed
Sanji has superior durability with Exo + Busō
Busō can block out shockwaves, so Whitebeard's fruit is more or less useless here
Sanji is fast enough to blitz WB and his attempts to counter the heat with emission or gura shockwaves
Sanji has slightly higher AP
Sanji has regen and better stamina to match WB's endurance
Sanji has mobility in sky walk to avoid shockwaves
Sanji has several different durability negating attacks
Sanji has many AP amps with different Jambes, Super Speed, and Rotations
Sanji has many speed amps with different Jambes and Super Speed
Sanji has superior durability with Exo + Busō
Busō can block out shockwaves, so Whitebeard's fruit is more or less useless here
DaMonkeMan
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I never knew Sanji had the Flame-Flame Fruit.
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Not what is stated there at all and the Mera Mera doesn't represent everything that can be done with fire.
DaMonkeMan
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He has the mythical fiery bird fruit ong fr fr
DaMonkeMan
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I mean, it's the literal flame fruit, if it couldn't make blue flames then it wouldn't really live up to it's name.
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So we're not only misusing statements and outright lying about them, but we're also giving people abilities they've never shown?
Good to know.
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It never did blue flames, so? This doesn't mean anything.
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I'm not trying to say Ace/Sabo could make blue flames, but blue flames should be within it's range of abilities because it's the literal flame fruit.
Either way Akainu's statement of simply being superior to flames should put him above Sanji anyway.
Either way Akainu's statement of simply being superior to flames should put him above Sanji anyway.
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No, it wouldn't actually.
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If anyone is voting Whitebeard, at the very least give valid count to points 1 to 5 here.
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You're saying the couldn't and then saying they can? Wtf?
Akainu's superiority is bot related to his heat, it's elemental advantage a la pokemon, not a heat based thing.
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Btw, who has the biggest AP? I've seen comments saying it was Sanji and other WB. This is confusing.
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In what regards? Heat? AP?
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Sanji does slightly, but they scale around the same level.
Yes, we know that. They still scale around the same level with Sanji being slightly higher.
Sky Walk + Superior Speed + Regen hard-counter that
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Anyway.
4: True, he has regen, but Wb can just keep clapping his organs and bones until he's a pile of mush.
5: Shockwaves have a lot of AOE, he may not be able to jump away in time.
6: WB has better dura neg with his fruit.
7: Doesn't matter, WB still has better AP.
8: Yes, but WB has dura neg as I said before.
9: Which didn't stop Akainu ( better Armament than Sanji ) from getting rekt by his attacks, lol.
If it ain't clear, I vote Oldbeard low-mid diff.
1: Sanji can burn Whitebeard's skin, but if Whitebeard uses his fruit or naginata, he's not doing anything.
(Because of this.)
I'm not saying they can, but it should be possible.
2: I digress
3: Sanji doesn't have higher AP at all, lol.
4: True, he has regen, but Wb can just keep clapping his organs and bones until he's a pile of mush.
5: Shockwaves have a lot of AOE, he may not be able to jump away in time.
6: WB has better dura neg with his fruit.
7: Doesn't matter, WB still has better AP.
8: Yes, but WB has dura neg as I said before.
9: Which didn't stop Akainu ( better Armament than Sanji ) from getting rekt by his attacks, lol.
If it ain't clear, I vote Oldbeard low-mid diff.
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Sure, but Sanji is fast enough to easily maneuver around those. He's also fast enough to blitz.
What?
Literally read the scaling chain posted above?
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Luffy never carried through in a clash against Akainu, and Ace's sacrifice indicates that Luffy would possibly be fatally burned.
And unless you believe that Luffy would fight Sanji seriously, that's not a point.
Feats?
WB has dura neg and Kenbushoku to deal with.
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If he got touched with it, sure.
Can you name a single moment that Whitebeard physically interacted with Akainu's magma without getting a hole burned through him?
Luffy was closer to Akainu's magma than the steel that got vaporized and didn't get burned.
A later Luffy got burned by Sanji's Diable Jambe.
The Punk Hazard feat isn't something that can be quantified for a heat value, so it's irrelevant.
So does Sanji? Also, Sanji can avoid WB's dura neg with his mobility and sky walk, or just take it and regenerate.
DaMonkeMan
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Home star posted an AP chain and tried to use it to address speed
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Wasn't Luffy letting him self get hit and burnt by Sanji?
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