Sally Acorn vs. Aoi Hayanose

[OnsokunoSonic]

Aoi really shouldn't be going up against a tier 2 character though, regardless of the actual outcome here

Why shouldn't she?

 

[YungManzi]

Why shouldn't she?

Because she's nowhere near tier 2 and not a smurf.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Ok, I’m starting to understand

Sonic's plot manipulation is also completely different from Aoi's. She's not actively writing her own story, going outside of it and reentering or anything like that

Well, the point wasn’t the function, but the source of the ability itself

Causality Manipulation is via her belief, Plot Hax is simply her status as a High Destiny Value Existence AKA main character status.

Ok, but simply being a main character doesn’t prevent you from dying in general, Iron Man (MCU), Mario (SPM), Sonic (Sonic 06), general Marvel and DC characters, etc, nor is being a main character prevent you from incap.

Actually, the example that’s provided on her page is that Main Characters don’t die from stray laser blasts.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Ok, but simply being a main character doesn’t prevent you from dying in general

It's a power in-verse.....

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

Because she's nowhere near tier 2 and not a smurf.

I see

 

[ElixirBlue]

It's a power in-verse.....

I was, and still am, going off the example that was provided on her page

 

[Bernkastelll]

Ok, I’m starting to understand


Well, the point wasn’t the function, but the source of the ability itself



Ok, but simply being a main character doesn’t prevent you from dying in general, Iron Man (MCU), Mario (SPM), Sonic (Sonic 06), general Marvel and DC characters, etc, nor is being a main character prevent you from incap.

Dude, thats how it works in the verse

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

Dude, thats how it works in the verse

Well how does it works then?

 

[PhantomØ4]

as plainly as it says. Main character status bends the plot on their favor. PIS happens, attacks miss, they inexplicably live outcomes they should not ect...

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

as plainly as it says. Main character status bends the plot on their favor. PIS happens, attacks miss, they inexplicably live outcomes they should not ect...

So it's a generic Plot Manipulation right?

Well Sally with his SoA can Absorbs that.

 

[sanicspood]

So it's a generic Plot Manipulation right?

Well Sally with his SoA can Absorbs that.

how

 

[PhantomØ4]

But she can’t because she only absorbs them energy behind it and that’s not how Aoi’s works so SBA wouldn’t equalize the supernatural aspects to allow her to drain it.

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

how

Sonic using Plot Manipulation in his Base Form.

That means Sonic has SoA Inside of him (if i remember correctly).

So it can absorbs itself can it?

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

But she can’t because she only absorbs them energy behind it and that’s not how Aoi’s works so SBA wouldn’t equalize the supernatural aspects to allow her to drain it.

What's this "SBA"

 

[Bernkastelll]

What's this "SBA"

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[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

What's this "SBA"

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[ElixirBlue]

Dude, thats how it works in the verse

What I saw in the example, in-verse, was stray laser fire

how

The Source of All and the Chaos Force are the source for every power in the verse.

So it can absorbs itself can it?

It can effect none-Chaos Energy beings, like the Robians, if that’s what you are asking.

But she can’t because she only absorbs them energy behind it and that’s not how Aoi’s works

Please tell me the source of Aoi’s Plot Hax then

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

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Ah i see, i thought it's a inverse thing

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

What I saw in the example, in-verse, was stray laser fire

“Are……are we saved?” (Hanakawa)

“At present. Well, in the fate value, I couldn’t imagine that we’d die easily here.” (Aoi)

"You can’t kill an existence whose destiny value is high. He won’t die if he was shot by Sugitani Zenjubo, he doesn’t die if he fights on the front line amongst the soldiers, and he doesn’t die if you attack recklessly in the canyon. From the enemy’s point of view, it’s just a cheat." (Aoi)

"Yes. In order to kill the existence that is protected by fate, we must use destiny. Just trying to kill him in a blatant way is no good. That is, if he dies here, the surroundings will get more dramatic and rouse up. Fate prefers more interesting situations."

 

[ElixirBlue]

“Just trying to kill him in a blatant way is no good.”

Aoi’s a he?

 

[PhantomØ4]

It’s her explaining how high destiny value existences work. In that case Yogiri and Oda Nobunaga.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

And Aoi, like Yogiri, has a high destiny value

 

[ElixirBlue]

But she isn’t saying “You wouldn’t die no matter what.” Its “It wouldn’t happen in a blatant, reckless, or accidental way.”

Also, what example shows it can prevent incap?

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

And Aoi, like Yogiri, has a high destiny value

So it has something to do Fate?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

So it has something to do Fate?

Destiny Value in the verse = Plot + Fatehax, as you can see in Yogiri's profile

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

Destiny Value in the verse = Plot + Fatehax, as you can see in Yogiri's profile

Can it be used offensively?

 

[YungManzi]

 

[ElixirBlue]

I’m just trying to see how Aoi prevents Absorption with Plot Hax, since Sally’s Absorption doesn’t kill

Can it be used offensively?

^

 

[ElixirBlue]

Also, what does Aoi have to prevent the Sword from seeing her actions?

 

[YungManzi]

Plot hax is indeed pure defense.

There are others who can kinda use fate/plot offensively, but we don't know if Aoi's one of them.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Hm...

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

Plot hax is indeed pure defense.

There are others who can kinda use fate/plot offensively, but we don't know if Aoi's one of them.

Aoi has nothing to hurt Sally right?


I can see this going inconclusive.

 

[PhantomØ4]

If she isn’t physically higher dimensional she can affect her with casuality hax which Yung explained why it’s passive. Similarly to Ywach and Amane.

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

If she isn’t physically higher dimensional she can affect her with casuality hax which Yung explained why it’s passive. Similarly to Ywach and Amane.

She has L2-C Attack Potency

 

[Bernkastelll]

She has L2-C Attack Potency

That's not Higher Dimensional Existence, which means that Aoi can affect her

 

[ElixirBlue]

Thing is, Sally doesn’t need to kill to win.

Incap is an option

 

[ElixirBlue]

Absorb Aoi’s powers, Plot Hax can’t be used offensely, Sally just stands there as Aoi can’t hurt Sally at all by that point due Aoi being 10-B physically.

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

That's not Higher Dimensional Existence, which means that Aoi can affect her

And what's preventing Sally to throw her Sword of Acorn Higher Dimensional Hax

 

[ElixirBlue]

And what's preventing Sally to throw her Sword of Acorn Higher Dimensional Hax

That would kill Aoi and her plot Hax would prevent it

 

[Bernkastelll]

And what's preventing Sally to throw her Sword of Acorn Higher Dimensional Hax

Plot